Ian Ayre quizzed by SOS
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The SOS are the BNP. OOT's will be repatriated to Widnes, with me.
I can't load that youtube clip. What's it all about?
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I'm going to throw an egg.
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And I am cutting my collar.
[size=50pt]I'm cutting my collar!!!!!!!!!!![/size]
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Sentamu. Is that like Interflora, only with cattle?
I'm going to throw an egg.
[size=50pt]I'm going to throw an egg!!!!!!!!!!![/size]
And I am cutting my collar.
[size=50pt]I'm cutting my collar!!!!!!!!!!![/size]
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Sentamu. Is that like Interflora, only with cattle?
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=34052.msg884531#msg884531 date=1244486468]
I'm not grasping at anything. I prefer to find out the facts before making sweeping generalisations about a whole organisation based on a few idiots.
The crowd might well have joined in but they could well have been non members. Lets face it, it's not like it doesn't get sung away from home, and it could quite feasibly have been that mob who tend to latch onto fan groups like SOS.
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David,
The bottom line is that somebody performing on stage at an official SOS event led the crowd in chants of "Munich".
Regardless of the fact that both he and those in the crowd who lustily joined in "may not" be members of the union, it paints the SOS in a very poor light. As does the fact that, at the time of writing this, their statement regarding the incident seems to be more about ensuring we all know that he sneaked up on stage, rather than condemning what he did once up there.
These morons have given everybody who wants to paint all LFC supporters as mindless thugs EXACTLY what they wanted.
And all with the image of the great man himself hanging in the background.
Whether fair or not, the reality of the situation is that, if it's YOUR event, you are responsible for the actions of those attending.
And these arseholes have disgraced LFC and her supporters everywhere. The SOS should have be immediate and unwavering in their condemnation of it / them. That they haven't been is actually more disturbing to me than the fact that it happened in the first place.
I'm not grasping at anything. I prefer to find out the facts before making sweeping generalisations about a whole organisation based on a few idiots.
The crowd might well have joined in but they could well have been non members. Lets face it, it's not like it doesn't get sung away from home, and it could quite feasibly have been that mob who tend to latch onto fan groups like SOS.
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David,
The bottom line is that somebody performing on stage at an official SOS event led the crowd in chants of "Munich".
Regardless of the fact that both he and those in the crowd who lustily joined in "may not" be members of the union, it paints the SOS in a very poor light. As does the fact that, at the time of writing this, their statement regarding the incident seems to be more about ensuring we all know that he sneaked up on stage, rather than condemning what he did once up there.
These morons have given everybody who wants to paint all LFC supporters as mindless thugs EXACTLY what they wanted.
And all with the image of the great man himself hanging in the background.
Whether fair or not, the reality of the situation is that, if it's YOUR event, you are responsible for the actions of those attending.
And these arseholes have disgraced LFC and her supporters everywhere. The SOS should have be immediate and unwavering in their condemnation of it / them. That they haven't been is actually more disturbing to me than the fact that it happened in the first place.
I disagree with some aspects of SOS but they do a lot to raise funds for charity and HJC. One of my mates attends their meets. He's a sensible lad who would be the first to condone the acts of these idiots. Unfortunately, all groups tend to attract a mindless element.
As I said I have my own views on all matters LFC, they can't represent me, and they can't represent "the fans" they have no mandate to do that.
They are a disparate group of a few hundred (at most), representing match-going fans of 45,000, and other supporters world wide into millions, no one knows who they are, what their background is, or anything about them, well we do know a bit about half a dozen of them.
I have seen first hand things like this before in Liverpool, people purporting to be something they aren't, with a hidden agenda, and kidding people. People who stand up in Armani suits spouting rhetoric, driving Mercedes with personalised plates wearing Rolex watches and kid everyone that they were good socialists, well, in fact extreme socialists. Somehow the Liverpool public fell for it hook line and sinker.
This has a slight possibility to become much the same, and the more people suggest they are the voice of the fans and tye club allow them to meet on a semi-official basis with club management, the more people will begin to believe the propaganda. Hicks and Gillet will come and go, maybe sooner maybe later, but rest assured SOS actions will become more extreme and when the club gets into the grip of a Mafioso "fans" group we are fucked , no one will touch us with a barge pole.
The Sheiks mate is OK, I am sure most are, in the main OK. The section of the AUEW that I was a member of were OK, but a few of the officials were extreme nutters.
Bologna, to do nothing is better than give this lot any credence, this might seem rather over the top and doom-mongering , but the group is in it's foetal stage, the best way of dealing with it is to ignore it.
regards
They are a disparate group of a few hundred (at most), representing match-going fans of 45,000, and other supporters world wide into millions, no one knows who they are, what their background is, or anything about them, well we do know a bit about half a dozen of them.
I have seen first hand things like this before in Liverpool, people purporting to be something they aren't, with a hidden agenda, and kidding people. People who stand up in Armani suits spouting rhetoric, driving Mercedes with personalised plates wearing Rolex watches and kid everyone that they were good socialists, well, in fact extreme socialists. Somehow the Liverpool public fell for it hook line and sinker.
This has a slight possibility to become much the same, and the more people suggest they are the voice of the fans and tye club allow them to meet on a semi-official basis with club management, the more people will begin to believe the propaganda. Hicks and Gillet will come and go, maybe sooner maybe later, but rest assured SOS actions will become more extreme and when the club gets into the grip of a Mafioso "fans" group we are fucked , no one will touch us with a barge pole.
The Sheiks mate is OK, I am sure most are, in the main OK. The section of the AUEW that I was a member of were OK, but a few of the officials were extreme nutters.
Bologna, to do nothing is better than give this lot any credence, this might seem rather over the top and doom-mongering , but the group is in it's foetal stage, the best way of dealing with it is to ignore it.
regards
Fair play, Vlad, you've explained your position clearly and eloquently.
I agree with you when you say they don't represent us even though they claim to be the voice of all LFC fans.
My gripe is with the majority of posters on here who come out with "SOS, bunch of wankers", or whatever, without actually presenting a coherent argument.
I'll say it again. At least they're trying to do something rather than sitting behind their keyboards and typing "it'll never work, what power do we have, etc."
99% of posters on here dismissed SOS out of hand from day 1 without actually giving them much of a chance to put their case.
I agree with you when you say they don't represent us even though they claim to be the voice of all LFC fans.
My gripe is with the majority of posters on here who come out with "SOS, bunch of wankers", or whatever, without actually presenting a coherent argument.
I'll say it again. At least they're trying to do something rather than sitting behind their keyboards and typing "it'll never work, what power do we have, etc."
99% of posters on here dismissed SOS out of hand from day 1 without actually giving them much of a chance to put their case.
Sorry but that in its turn is an exaggeration. Most of us, like me, questioned their apparent acceptance as universal mouthpiece, nothing more. The abuse has come about largely because of other matters.
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