[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38033.msg1018928#msg1018928 date=1261389343]
I think Squiggs makes a good point to be honest, for too long we have been nearly men, and living off our history.
We got close last year, and Christ knows how, and bizarrely, if it were not for some appalling tactics against shite opposition, might even have won it.
Perhaps we have dwelt in the past for too long and not been looking to the future enough.
We need to be able and prepared to accept the inevitable, put up with the shite and move on.
I think this expectation we are going to win the league every year is starting to make us look a bit soft to be honest, not at the same level as Newcastle, but along those lines.
As for hoping other teams tool up and do the job for us is ludicrous that just pushes us even further down the pecking order.
Make no mistake though, what happens in the next eight months are going to define our future.
regards
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I don't get the references to "living off our history", "expectation we are going to win the league every year" and the like, which seem to me to be a fundamental misunderstanding. None of us are *expecting* to win the league, nor have we done for a long time. It's precisely because we know we've been off the pace that we (or some of us at any rate) have been so vocal about it. There's no reason why we should simply accept being also-rans, any more than there would be to justify unrealistic expectations. Nor is there any reason to forget our history when considering what our up-to-date expectations should be. Football did not start 20 years ago.
Nor do I accept that there's anything remotely "ludicrous" about hoping that, if we're not yet capable of stopping them, someone else prevents a bunch of loudmouthed gobsh!tes from down the E.Lancs.Rd.from overtaking our total of title wins. Like you, my priority is what happens to my own club. Unlike you, I'm unable to see that in isolation.
I think Squiggs makes a good point to be honest, for too long we have been nearly men, and living off our history.
We got close last year, and Christ knows how, and bizarrely, if it were not for some appalling tactics against shite opposition, might even have won it.
Perhaps we have dwelt in the past for too long and not been looking to the future enough.
We need to be able and prepared to accept the inevitable, put up with the shite and move on.
I think this expectation we are going to win the league every year is starting to make us look a bit soft to be honest, not at the same level as Newcastle, but along those lines.
As for hoping other teams tool up and do the job for us is ludicrous that just pushes us even further down the pecking order.
Make no mistake though, what happens in the next eight months are going to define our future.
regards
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I don't get the references to "living off our history", "expectation we are going to win the league every year" and the like, which seem to me to be a fundamental misunderstanding. None of us are *expecting* to win the league, nor have we done for a long time. It's precisely because we know we've been off the pace that we (or some of us at any rate) have been so vocal about it. There's no reason why we should simply accept being also-rans, any more than there would be to justify unrealistic expectations. Nor is there any reason to forget our history when considering what our up-to-date expectations should be. Football did not start 20 years ago.
Nor do I accept that there's anything remotely "ludicrous" about hoping that, if we're not yet capable of stopping them, someone else prevents a bunch of loudmouthed gobsh!tes from down the E.Lancs.Rd.from overtaking our total of title wins. Like you, my priority is what happens to my own club. Unlike you, I'm unable to see that in isolation.
