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Premier League sets sights on youth

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Rafa Benitez will have think carefully about his recruitment in the summer


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By Ian Dennis
BBC Radio 5 live's senior football reporter

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A Premier League play-off to settle the fourth and final Champions League spot was mooted last week and attracted various responses - negative and positive.

While that particular proposal continues to be debated, there will be definitely one change to the way the top flight operates next season - and it should have a major impact.

From the start of the 2010/11 campaign, all 20 clubs will have to adhere to new squad regulations.

They dictate that each club will have to select their 18 names on a team sheet from a pre-nominated squad of 25. In that list of 25, eight must be "home-grown".

The Premier League's definition of "home-grown" is a player who, while under the age of 21, spent three years in the English system.

In addition, clubs will be able to select an unlimited number of under-21 players they have registered.

The changes will not only benefit youth development but, crucially, will also force some clubs to sign several English players when the transfer window opens in the summer.

"We want to try to create the best opportunity for young developed talent to have a chance of playing in the first team and we think this will give more opportunities for academy graduates to do that," stated Mike Foster, general secretary of the Premier League.

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?We want to try to create the best opportunity for young developed talent to have a chance of playing in the first team ??

Mike Foster
Premier League general secretary

"Clubs invest a lot of money in youth development. I think at the last calculation the average spent was about £3m per annum per club in the Premier League."

In the long term, the league believes the changes will also have a positive effect on the England national team and provide a financial benefit to those clubs operating with a limited squad size.

Foster said the clubs have been very receptive to the changes.

"Clubs are great believers in youth development," he added. "You can see that when you go up and down the country and see the great facilities and commitment that is taking place."

Foster explained that the policy was first debated last summer by all the clubs.

"We spent a day looking at youth development and ways of enhancing what already takes place," commented Foster.

"The clubs agreed in principle to this type of measure. We fine-tuned it and brought it back to the clubs in September, when they approved the new rule unanimously."

Foster confirmed the league is happy with the outcome.

"There's been a lot of noise from Fifa for the past several months for a quota system, which we've objected to because it's illegal under European law," he added.

"That pressure hasn't necessarily gone away but we wanted to focus our energies on something that would fall within the legal framework of the EU as well as encourage our successful academies."

For some clubs, these new regulations will mean a radical change in approach.

Research has shown that on the penultimate day of last season, top clubs such as Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool were among a of group of seven who did not have eight home-grown players on their team sheet.

In fact, analysis shows that Rafael Benitez's side were the worst offenders in the Premier League last season for producing home-grown talent.

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Admittedly, it was not the final list but towards the end of last season Liverpool had used only 17% of their home-grown players in 2008/2009.

Relegated Middlesbrough, with Dave Parnaby at the helm of their successful academy, were top of the class with 69%, while Aston Villa and West Ham United were on 67%.

Arsenal beat Liverpool to win the FA Youth Cup last season

Champions Manchester United were at 42%, with Chelsea 28% and Arsenal 37%.

Arsenal, under Arsene Wenger, have been criticised in the past for not producing English talent but eight of the starting line-up that beat Liverpool in the second leg of the FA Youth Cup last season were English.

When you consider that particular crop of youngsters has been heralded as Wenger's best yet, then maybe Arsenal do not need to worry about these regulations coming into force.

Others may have a bit more work to do before August.

THE RULES

- Clubs must include eight home-grown players out of a squad of 25.

- A home-grown player is a player who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season which he turns 21)

- Changes to the squad list of 25 may be made during the period of a transfer window.

- Clubs will be able to supplement their squads with unlimited additional players under the age of 21.

- An under-21 player refers to a player under the age of 21 as at 1 January in the year in which the season concerned commences.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39065.msg1060479#msg1060479 date=1267174252]
Eight out of 25 is pretty meaningless, given that seven of those eight are not even guaranteed a place on the bench.
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That's not taking into account that we play a very high number of games and make a habit out of signing injury prone players (or making them injury prone). We need a squad of 20+ capable players.

We're on our way with Gerrard, Carra, Johnson, Kelly, Insua and probably Pacecho as well though. It'll be a factor in our plans for the summer though, no doubt.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39065.msg1060482#msg1060482 date=1267174441]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39065.msg1060479#msg1060479 date=1267174252]
Eight out of 25 is pretty meaningless, given that seven of those eight are not even guaranteed a place on the bench.
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That's not taking into account that we play a very high number of games and make a habit out of signing injury prone players (or making them injury prone). We need a squad of 20+ capable players.

We're on our way with Gerrard, Carra, Johnson, Kelly, Insua and probably Pacecho as well though. It'll be a factor in our plans for the summer though, no doubt.
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Add say Ecclestone and Nemeth to that list and we've already got eight. Yes, I'm sure we'll prefer to sign at least one English player, as we did last summer, but the pre-contract for the Serb etc suggests it's not the over-riding concern.

Which Englishman would you go for Keni? Shame we missed out on Adam Johnson really - he'd have been perfect.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39065.msg1060491#msg1060491 date=1267175373]
ashley cole. he needs to move out of the capital to get over his mrs 😉
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Just give him a call and he will get over her in seconds.....
 
Mark Noble, Ryan Shawcross, Roger Johnson, Scott Dann, Jack Collison, Carlton Cole, Darren Bent, James Tomkins.
 
This won't make a hell of a lot of difference will it? I reckon our current squad would pass this, as would virtually all of the PL clubs.

Whether we WANT our current squad to pass this is another matter entirely
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39065.msg1060491#msg1060491 date=1267175373]
ashley cole. he needs to move out of the capital to get over his mrs 😉
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Just give him a call and he will get over her in seconds.....
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Introduce him to Scouse girls and I'm sure he'll be fine. And so would our left side.
 
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=39065.msg1060565#msg1060565 date=1267189767]
Mark Noble, Ryan Shawcross, Roger Johnson, Scott Dann, Jack Collison, Carlton Cole, Darren Bent, James Tomkins.

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Sticking with the original posters theme:

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Finding 8 players who qualify isn't the tricky bit, reducing the # of foreigners down to 17 is the problem. We'll have to dump players like Degen, Plessis etc who given we HAVE to sell we'll get bugger all for.
 
[quote author=drizzt link=topic=39065.msg1060630#msg1060630 date=1267196606]
Finding 8 players who qualify isn't the tricky bit, reducing the # of foreigners down to 17 is the problem. We'll have to dump players like Degen, Plessis etc who given we HAVE to sell we'll get bugger all for.


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Plessis surely qualifies as homegrown, no? Although I'd rather he wasn't anywhere near our squad.
 
Not sure if Plessis quite makes it but if not then he's shit anyway so this rule is something of a positive!

Beyond that I don't think there's a huge issue. We don't have a huge squad. When you think about it our first team has at least 4 home grown players, and that's not even taking into account under 21 players.
Do we have ten over 21 foreigners who aren't making the team? Don't think so.
 
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[quote author=drizzt link=topic=39065.msg1060630#msg1060630 date=1267196606]
Finding 8 players who qualify isn't the tricky bit, reducing the # of foreigners down to 17 is the problem. We'll have to dump players like Degen, Plessis etc who given we HAVE to sell we'll get bugger all for.


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Plessis surely qualifies as homegrown, no? Although I'd rather he wasn't anywhere near our squad.

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I'm not sure, I read something about this recently, Insua would qualify I think and Yossi(???)
 
I don't think Yossi would qualify under these rules. Maybe they've been changed from previous proposals?

I'd have thought he would've started his career in Isreal.
 
If we assume that our squad includes Pacheco, Kelly, Spearing and Darby who have all been given chances this season, we can break down the numbers like this:

Total players: 27
Homegrown: 8 (Johnson, Carra, Gerrard, Insua + players above)
# Homegrown who are youngsters: 5 (Insua + players above)
Players likely to go in the summer: 3 (Aurelio, Degen, Itandje)

If we work under the assumption that those three players will leave, we end up with a squad of 24, of which 6 (5 + N'Gog) are still learning their trade and our homegrown quota largely fulfilled by unproven youngsters.

This really shows two things:

1. Our squad is in dire need of more dependable senior players and one has to expect we'll see some reinforcements in the summer otherwise we'll struggle again.

2. We'll need to pick up some decent English players.
 
Will Nemeth meet the criteria?

I'd like to think he'd be given chances next season.
 
Ngog wont qualify as a homegrown as he moved to liverpool when he was 19 years old and will not spend more than 3 years in England before 21.

Nemeth would qualify as a homegrown as he moved to liverpool when he was 18 years old. However, not sure how they would look at his loan experience. Maybe he might not qualify as he went out on loan to Greece for a year.

Given that Nemeth would qualify as a homegrown and Ngog would not, it is a bit surprising that Nemeth was sent out on loan whereas Ngog has been given the chance to develop.

I like Ngog and I think he is a good player but at the beginning of the season I thought there was not much differentiating the two.
 
I think the main differences is that N'Gog is more mobile and is probably someone who is viewed with the potential to play up front alone. Nemeth has to be in a front two.
 
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39065.msg1060687#msg1060687 date=1267204309]
[quote author=drizzt link=topic=39065.msg1060630#msg1060630 date=1267196606]
Finding 8 players who qualify isn't the tricky bit, reducing the # of foreigners down to 17 is the problem. We'll have to dump players like Degen, Plessis etc who given we HAVE to sell we'll get bugger all for.


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Plessis surely qualifies as homegrown, no? Although I'd rather he wasn't anywhere near our squad.

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I'm not sure, I read something about this recently, Insua would qualify I think and Yossi(???)
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Plessis was 19 when he joined us so I think he misses out. Insua may be a problem too not sure. The first year he was with us was a loan and the regs for the CL specifically mention holding the registration of the player, so it's not clear to me whether his first year counts as being english based or not. All assumes of course the PL and CL regs are the same.

Gulacsi is in the same boat by the way.
 
According to Wikipedia, Nemeth has only played 7 games this season for AEK, and that includes sub appearances. Very disappointing. Anyone know why? He's scored three goals, which is OK as a ratio, but the whole point of the loan deal was to get him regular games wasn't it?
 
[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=39065.msg1060752#msg1060752 date=1267210569]
I thought Yossi started his footy in Spain?
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I thought part of the criteria is that they had to have played football in this country for so many years? (five or six I think).
 
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