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The line we hate Nottingham Forrest should be removed from our song as a mark of repect, I'm sure theres a whole host of clubs we hate more than them
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The line we hate Nottingham Forrest should be removed from our song as a mark of repect, I'm sure theres a whole host of clubs we hate more than them
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It just shouldn't be sung full stop. It's crap.
The line we hate Nottingham Forrest should be removed from our song as a mark of repect, I'm sure theres a whole host of clubs we hate more than them
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It just shouldn't be sung full stop. It's crap.
Hillsborough files may be opened
Ninety six Liverpool fans were killed at the FA Cup semi-final
Secret files on the Hillsborough disaster could be made public 10 years early after a request from the home secretary.
Jacqui Smith has asked South Yorkshire Police to release the documents, which contain detailed evidence of what happened during the tragedy in 1989.
It could help families of the 96 victims who want a new inquiry.
Ms Smith has met South Yorkshire Chief Constable Meredydd Hughes to discuss the records.
Joan Traynor, 76, who lost her two sons, Christopher, 26, and Kevin, 16, in the disaster, welcomed the move.
She said: "At last something might be done and at last there might be a chance that the truth could be out.
"After years of campaigning I feel like something might happen. We have felt nothing but injustice and the only way we can get justice for our loved ones is if these files are made public and a fresh inquiry is opened."
Inquest ruling
The files contain evidence from the police, local council and the ambulance service. Documents like this are usually not made public for 30 years, but the home secretary has intervened two decades after the disaster.
Evidence was examined during the original inquest, in which the coroner ruled all victims had sustained their fatal injuries by 3.15pm, based on advice from pathologists.
As a result, he did not hear any evidence of what happened after that point - but many bereaved families believe their loved ones could have still been alive and they want a fresh inquiry.
Culture secretary Andy Burnham was heckled as campaigners shouted "Justice for the 96" at the Hillsborough memorial service on Wednesday.
Following the service, he called for "full disclosure" of all evidence on the Hillsborough disaster.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8006744.stm
Ninety six Liverpool fans were killed at the FA Cup semi-final
Secret files on the Hillsborough disaster could be made public 10 years early after a request from the home secretary.
Jacqui Smith has asked South Yorkshire Police to release the documents, which contain detailed evidence of what happened during the tragedy in 1989.
It could help families of the 96 victims who want a new inquiry.
Ms Smith has met South Yorkshire Chief Constable Meredydd Hughes to discuss the records.
Joan Traynor, 76, who lost her two sons, Christopher, 26, and Kevin, 16, in the disaster, welcomed the move.
She said: "At last something might be done and at last there might be a chance that the truth could be out.
"After years of campaigning I feel like something might happen. We have felt nothing but injustice and the only way we can get justice for our loved ones is if these files are made public and a fresh inquiry is opened."
Inquest ruling
The files contain evidence from the police, local council and the ambulance service. Documents like this are usually not made public for 30 years, but the home secretary has intervened two decades after the disaster.
Evidence was examined during the original inquest, in which the coroner ruled all victims had sustained their fatal injuries by 3.15pm, based on advice from pathologists.
As a result, he did not hear any evidence of what happened after that point - but many bereaved families believe their loved ones could have still been alive and they want a fresh inquiry.
Culture secretary Andy Burnham was heckled as campaigners shouted "Justice for the 96" at the Hillsborough memorial service on Wednesday.
Following the service, he called for "full disclosure" of all evidence on the Hillsborough disaster.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8006744.stm
Re: Latest Texas Supporters Club Podcast - Hillsborough edition.
This needs a bump.
I only got around to listening to this today but I thought it was excellent. If any Scousers wants to get a handle on the depth of feeling and level of knowledge about Hillsborough amongst a lot of the foreign supporters then they should listen to Derek's contributions in this podcast.
He speaks about his experience on the day as a fan who could only see the pictures on TV. It's followed by a composed, well informed, systematic dismantling of some of the arguments (based on lies) that were put forward by various parties that tried to cover up what actually happened that day.
I have to admit to feeling a bit of pride in listening to a fellow countryman do it so well.
YNWA.
This needs a bump.
I only got around to listening to this today but I thought it was excellent. If any Scousers wants to get a handle on the depth of feeling and level of knowledge about Hillsborough amongst a lot of the foreign supporters then they should listen to Derek's contributions in this podcast.
He speaks about his experience on the day as a fan who could only see the pictures on TV. It's followed by a composed, well informed, systematic dismantling of some of the arguments (based on lies) that were put forward by various parties that tried to cover up what actually happened that day.
I have to admit to feeling a bit of pride in listening to a fellow countryman do it so well.
YNWA.
Re: Latest Texas Supporters Club Podcast - Hillsborough edition.
I'm downloading this at the moment. I have a 'lovely' trip to Glasgow tomorrow so will have a listen whilst on the train.
I'm downloading this at the moment. I have a 'lovely' trip to Glasgow tomorrow so will have a listen whilst on the train.
Sorry but I'm very cynical about this move. Even assuming (and I wouldn't) that the files aren't doctored before they're made available, will they explain why the FA insisted on the match taking place at Hillsborough at all, despite the problems which occurred the year before and the warnings which were given then?
Well it's 2 months on, Burnham has a new job and fuck all has happened regarding "looking into it".
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Well it's 2 months on, Burnham has a new job and fuck all has happened regarding "looking into it".
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We'd all like something done as quickly as possible, in fact we all wish the families hadn't had to wait this long. However, none of us know if progress has been made behind the scenes. If it hasn't then yes, that would be truly disgraceful.
Well it's 2 months on, Burnham has a new job and fuck all has happened regarding "looking into it".
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We'd all like something done as quickly as possible, in fact we all wish the families hadn't had to wait this long. However, none of us know if progress has been made behind the scenes. If it hasn't then yes, that would be truly disgraceful.
I was speaking to Rosco & Whaddapie about this thyread last night, it is an amazing thread. So full of emotion. It shouldn't be tucked away in the Vault like this, it deserves it's own subforum.
It's an amazing thread.
Hard to read, yes, but amazing none the less.
Well done for putting it together Andy, fair play mate.
Hard to read, yes, but amazing none the less.
Well done for putting it together Andy, fair play mate.
Six months on... Any news?
Would the probable change of government change anything? I know they were bastards in the past, but surely Michael Howard would press for some action?
Would the probable change of government change anything? I know they were bastards in the past, but surely Michael Howard would press for some action?
This thread is, frankly, heart-breaking
Beautifully written, too
Beautifully written, too
Bishop to head Hillsborough panel
The Bishop of Liverpool is to chair the panel overseeing the release of files on the Hillsborough disaster, it has been announced.
The Right Reverend James Jones will head the five-strong committee which will make public hundreds of thousands of documents about the 1989 tragedy.
The papers held by police and other agencies have to be sorted before they are made public.
The Hillsborough Family Support Group welcomed the bishop's appointment.
Its calls for the release of the files gained strong support after events to mark the 20th anniversary of the tragedy, which claimed the lives of 96 Liverpool supporters.
“ I want to assure especially the Hillsborough families I will give myself wholeheartedly to the work of the independent panel â€
The Right Reverend James Jones Bishop of Liverpool
The bishop's appointment was announced by the Home Secretary Alan Johnson, who hailed the move as a "big step forward".
He said: "I am delighted Bishop James has accepted the responsibility of chairing the panel. He is respected across Liverpool and beyond for his work for the city and its people."
Work is continuing to appoint the other members of the panel, which will meet for the first time in Liverpool in the New Year.
Bishop James said it was a "humbling responsibility" to take on the task.
'Step forward'
"I want to assure especially the Hillsborough families I will give myself wholeheartedly to the work of the independent panel," he said.
"The fact that 30,000 people came to Anfield for the Hillsborough 20th anniversary service shows how deep the wound is still, and how great the longing is for healing.
"I am very aware that although many have waited years for this independent panel, the recalling of 15th April 1989 will nevertheless be a very painful and difficult time for all who were affected and for the cities of Liverpool, Sheffield and Nottingham."
Supporters were crushed to death at the stadium in Sheffield on 15 April 1989 during Liverpool's FA Cup semi-final tie with Nottingham Forest.
The government promised in July to release documents relating to the events of the day.
Margaret Aspinall, of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, said the bishop's appointment and establishment of the panel was "a definite step forward" in their battle to view the files.
"The Right Reverend James Jones is a respected man of the cloth and we look forward to his impartial leadership of the panel in their difficult task," she said.
"The remaining members of the panel are still a work in progress and we will continue to work with government to ensure the panel is suitably balanced and experienced to ensure a fair and proper process."
The families of the victims have kept up a campaign to have the events which led to the deaths fully investigated, despite there being previous inquiries.
As well as overseeing the public disclosure of information, the panel will work on establishing an archive of the files.
It has also been asked to produce a report explaining its work and how the information adds to public understanding of the tragedy and its aftermath.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/merseyside/8413773.stm
The Bishop of Liverpool is to chair the panel overseeing the release of files on the Hillsborough disaster, it has been announced.
The Right Reverend James Jones will head the five-strong committee which will make public hundreds of thousands of documents about the 1989 tragedy.
The papers held by police and other agencies have to be sorted before they are made public.
The Hillsborough Family Support Group welcomed the bishop's appointment.
Its calls for the release of the files gained strong support after events to mark the 20th anniversary of the tragedy, which claimed the lives of 96 Liverpool supporters.
“ I want to assure especially the Hillsborough families I will give myself wholeheartedly to the work of the independent panel â€
The Right Reverend James Jones Bishop of Liverpool
The bishop's appointment was announced by the Home Secretary Alan Johnson, who hailed the move as a "big step forward".
He said: "I am delighted Bishop James has accepted the responsibility of chairing the panel. He is respected across Liverpool and beyond for his work for the city and its people."
Work is continuing to appoint the other members of the panel, which will meet for the first time in Liverpool in the New Year.
Bishop James said it was a "humbling responsibility" to take on the task.
'Step forward'
"I want to assure especially the Hillsborough families I will give myself wholeheartedly to the work of the independent panel," he said.
"The fact that 30,000 people came to Anfield for the Hillsborough 20th anniversary service shows how deep the wound is still, and how great the longing is for healing.
"I am very aware that although many have waited years for this independent panel, the recalling of 15th April 1989 will nevertheless be a very painful and difficult time for all who were affected and for the cities of Liverpool, Sheffield and Nottingham."
Supporters were crushed to death at the stadium in Sheffield on 15 April 1989 during Liverpool's FA Cup semi-final tie with Nottingham Forest.
The government promised in July to release documents relating to the events of the day.
Margaret Aspinall, of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, said the bishop's appointment and establishment of the panel was "a definite step forward" in their battle to view the files.
"The Right Reverend James Jones is a respected man of the cloth and we look forward to his impartial leadership of the panel in their difficult task," she said.
"The remaining members of the panel are still a work in progress and we will continue to work with government to ensure the panel is suitably balanced and experienced to ensure a fair and proper process."
The families of the victims have kept up a campaign to have the events which led to the deaths fully investigated, despite there being previous inquiries.
As well as overseeing the public disclosure of information, the panel will work on establishing an archive of the files.
It has also been asked to produce a report explaining its work and how the information adds to public understanding of the tragedy and its aftermath.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/merseyside/8413773.stm
Liverpool's Kenny Dalglish says Hillsborough families will get justice
• Liverpool manager hopes new evidence will reveal truth
• Players and club set to mark 22nd anniversary of disaster
Andy Hunter
The Guardian, Friday 15 April 2011
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Kenny Dalglish, centre, was the manager of Liverpool at the time of the Hillsborough disaster in 1989. Photograph: Ross Kinnaird/EMPICS Sport/PA Photos
Kenny Dalglish believes that the families of the 96 Liverpool supporters who died at Hillsborough are close to obtaining the answers and justice for which they have campaigned since 1989.
is the 22nd anniversary of the disaster, at an FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest, for which no one in authority has been held accountable, despite Lord Justice Taylor ruling that South Yorkshire police, Sheffield city council and Sheffield Wednesday football club were culpable.
An independent panel is examining documents relating to Hillsborough and this week James Jones, the bishop of Liverpool who is chairing the panel, told the Guardian it intended to reveal "the full truth" having obtained previously unreleased information.
Dalglish, who was Liverpool's manager in 1989 and who is their manager now, said: "I think it's getting closer to some positive news for the families, but it has taken a long time to get to this point as well. Two years ago Andy Burnham [then secretary of state for culture, media and sport] came up to the memorial service and promised that he would do the best he could to get access to some papers that were not due to be released for another three or four years and to the man's great credit he has done that. They have got access now to some papers that they've never had before and have now got to file through them and that's why I'm saying it's getting a bit more positive for the families."
The Hillsborough disaster and its aftermath were a contributory factor to Dalglish stepping down as Liverpool manager in 1991 and on Friday he and the entire Liverpool squad will attend the annual memorial service at Anfield.
"I don't think what happened there will ever be removed from anybody and neither should it," said Dalglish. "I don't think anybody should ever forget it. I suppose the people who where there are the ones who have the strongest opinion on it. There are people now passing an opinion on things but I'm sure had they been there they would have a different opinion.
"For ourselves also, it has been that long that there is a generation of our supporters now who know about it but obviously weren't there. I'm sure it is to the forefront of their minds as well. Everybody knows what it means to the football club and everybody knows how difficult it is for the people who lost someone there. The sooner they get the justice for themselves, the happier they will be and we all will be for them."
• Liverpool manager hopes new evidence will reveal truth
• Players and club set to mark 22nd anniversary of disaster
Andy Hunter
The Guardian, Friday 15 April 2011
larger | smaller
Kenny Dalglish, centre, was the manager of Liverpool at the time of the Hillsborough disaster in 1989. Photograph: Ross Kinnaird/EMPICS Sport/PA Photos
Kenny Dalglish believes that the families of the 96 Liverpool supporters who died at Hillsborough are close to obtaining the answers and justice for which they have campaigned since 1989.
is the 22nd anniversary of the disaster, at an FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest, for which no one in authority has been held accountable, despite Lord Justice Taylor ruling that South Yorkshire police, Sheffield city council and Sheffield Wednesday football club were culpable.
An independent panel is examining documents relating to Hillsborough and this week James Jones, the bishop of Liverpool who is chairing the panel, told the Guardian it intended to reveal "the full truth" having obtained previously unreleased information.
Dalglish, who was Liverpool's manager in 1989 and who is their manager now, said: "I think it's getting closer to some positive news for the families, but it has taken a long time to get to this point as well. Two years ago Andy Burnham [then secretary of state for culture, media and sport] came up to the memorial service and promised that he would do the best he could to get access to some papers that were not due to be released for another three or four years and to the man's great credit he has done that. They have got access now to some papers that they've never had before and have now got to file through them and that's why I'm saying it's getting a bit more positive for the families."
The Hillsborough disaster and its aftermath were a contributory factor to Dalglish stepping down as Liverpool manager in 1991 and on Friday he and the entire Liverpool squad will attend the annual memorial service at Anfield.
"I don't think what happened there will ever be removed from anybody and neither should it," said Dalglish. "I don't think anybody should ever forget it. I suppose the people who where there are the ones who have the strongest opinion on it. There are people now passing an opinion on things but I'm sure had they been there they would have a different opinion.
"For ourselves also, it has been that long that there is a generation of our supporters now who know about it but obviously weren't there. I'm sure it is to the forefront of their minds as well. Everybody knows what it means to the football club and everybody knows how difficult it is for the people who lost someone there. The sooner they get the justice for themselves, the happier they will be and we all will be for them."
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