Hillsborough inquests: David Duckenfield admits gate lie
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If everyone thought like that back then every away end would have been empty every week. We went to support our team despite the lack of comfort, being treated like cattle and being called scum on a weekly basis by the press. It was what you did. The mistake we made was trusting people who's job was to keep people safe to do their job. Are you blaming the fans for having the temerity to turn up?
The Blame lies with the FA..
They where advised on numerous occasions regarding safety issues with the ground.. They should of done everything within their power to make sure the safety of fans was taken as a priorty
They didn't...
Even after warnings. they continued to host the Semi Final at Hillsborough.. Even after warnings they cocked up on the ticket allocation and gave the end of the ground, that didn't make sense to give to the Livepool fans, logistically.. Thats being said.. what happened to the Liverpool fans on that day could of well happened to any fans, but the if the FA had done what is to be expected of them before hand.. they could of easily prevented what happened...
It pisses me off, even to this day then FA have not taken any blame for the fiasco that was Hillsborough..
Is there any chance the FA could get punished as a result of this inquest?
One would hope so...
Didn't you go to any games back then?!
Even as a kid I knew how dangerous going the match was. The away's would have people lying in wait for you, police forcing you to use certain routes despite knowing their were away fans waiting for you, bricks raining down onto trains or buses when you went past them.
The home games were safer cos you were with your own, but the police were the problem then, pushing & herding you & randomly hitting people with their sticks or forcing their horses so far into the crowd you'd be crushed & your feet would end up bruised & bloodied from the horses hooves, having to wait in fucking tiny areas cos they refused to open the turnstiles until they had the right number of men on the other side & waiting for ages.
Watching a match then was like being treated like a criminal, & we were fucking kids so got looked after by our own & even some of the police, it must have been well worse for the adults, I swear some of the policemen (& a helluva lot of the women too) would just pick a few fellas at random to abuse until they said or did something so they could lock them up.
So, yeah, of course it was dangerous, but what was the choice? Hardly any televised games & it cost very little to go, you got to stand with your mates all day & watch the team you lived & breathed.
The police were mostly cunts, the away fans were fucking animals, the facilities were non existent, & the majority of non match goers thought you were a hooligan, but that was football.
Thank you.
No, I'm not blaming anyone but the police and the authorities. What I'm saying here is separate, really. It's more a comment on the nature of people, of collective denial and unreason. I think it's an interesting lesson in general terms, about how such clearly forseeable things can at the same time seem completely impossible.
I don't *blame* anyone for going. But it was clearly irrational - especially for children and younger women.
I didn't go to any game at Anfield until 1991, and then I sat with my dad and his friends because I was 9. You're only a few years older than me - were you feral or something?!
Fuck me...
That is beyond words and belief....
I find it staggering that he has trouble remembering things but know we turned up late and drunk even though he didn't see any of us..prick
Heh, not quite. I was going the game home & away from 8 with my mates & one of my mates dad's, then on our own (there were 7 of us went regularly) from 10.
So 87 to 97 I went almost every two weeks. Even in 91 the police treated fans badly, but from what I experienced it was worst 87-90, I assume the rest of the 80s was as bad or worse too.
It has to be said, the old Kop had a boss advantage to a lot of other grounds, queuing outside was orderly & often a great atmosphere, & then when you got inside the walls the large space meant you couldn't be penned in like you could on away games before you got inside. Of course I can't imagine getting in the anny Road was much fun, esp the way our fans would line across it taunting fans.
He was questioned about this very attitude yesterday by the families lawyers, just read his response, unbelievable.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-31850599
This, this, this.
Chose him for this particular assignment, rather than employed him as such. We have to hope he was normally a competent police officer, though it's pretty clear he was the (fatally) wrong choice on that particular day.
But see RedNinja's post above. It shouldn't have mattered, because the game shouldn't ever have been scheduled for Hillsborough to begin with. Had it not been - or if, at the very least, it had been moved elsewhere after it was scheduled (I believe the Mancs offered Old Trafford) - almost certainly 96 people who never came home would still be with us today.
Yeah, I read that.
He's got PTSD, people fucking died because of him and he is using PTSD as an excuse as to why he can't remember, I wanted to twat the prick prior to the hearings and now I want to twat him even more.
I believe it is no different to how any other person in authority would behave. Utterly incompetent. Afraid for their own reputation. Lie. Blame other people. Layer on more lies to cover up the mess. The best way to deal with it is longer prison sentences and less segregation within prisons. He should serve time alongside people who don't like the police force so much.
[article=http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/9763755/former-police-chief-accepts-failure-led-to-deaths-at-hillsborough]Former police chief superintendent David Duckenfield has accepted that his failure to close a tunnel "was the direct cause of the deaths" of 96 Liverpool fans at the Hillsborough disaster.
Duckenfield was facing a sixth day of cross-examination by lawyers of the relatives of those who died in April 1989.
On the day of the tragedy, police became overwhelmed by supporters at the turnstiles as kick-off neared, prompting Duckenfield to give the order at 2.52pm to open a side gate allowing them entry to the stadium.
Around 2,000 fans poured in through Gate C, many heading straight for a tunnel in front of them, which Duckenfield had not ordered to be closed. That tunnel led directly to the already full central pens on the Leppings Lane terrace.
The 96 Liverpool fans died in the ensuing crush minutes later, as the FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest started.
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Duckenfield was facing a sixth day of cross-examination by lawyers of the relatives of those who died in April 1989.
On the day of the tragedy, police became overwhelmed by supporters at the turnstiles as kick-off neared, prompting Duckenfield to give the order at 2.52pm to open a side gate allowing them entry to the stadium.
Around 2,000 fans poured in through Gate C, many heading straight for a tunnel in front of them, which Duckenfield had not ordered to be closed. That tunnel led directly to the already full central pens on the Leppings Lane terrace.
The 96 Liverpool fans died in the ensuing crush minutes later, as the FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest started.
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My solicitor says next year some time.
Ironic that I've been suffering from PTSD since he has, but mine is because of him.
Sean, is that you?
Aye. I asked for a ban for a month so I could concentrate on my own writing. Was very productive. Added nearly 25,000 words to a novel. But my ban never lifted after the month. Must have been sick of me. I've come back under the radar as someone else. Quite refreshing.
I don't remember the discussions of a permanent ban, do I'll chalk this up to the mods doing an oopsie
Glad you managed to get a lot of writing done
Account Silver Sean is Active... moved out of the banned group..
feel free the start using it again..
Good to hear, and good to see you back!
Think that was just crossed wires mate, we were waiting for you to give us the go ahead that you wanted to come back. At least that's what I thought anyways.
Glad you're back!
Yep, welcome back Hrumph (as now is).
Yeah welcome back Hrumph. I think we'd all be a more productive with a ban here and there.
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