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Hiddink joins Turkey

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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38950.msg1055532#msg1055532 date=1266424271]
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=38950.msg1055497#msg1055497 date=1266413585]
I'm sorry but you just need to scratch beneath the surface, and it's there to be seen how mediocre his record is. The guy has never in his career won a major leauge title. He won the Dutch leave and the dutch cup. He won the euro cup over 20 years ago. He went to real Madrid and was sacked within 6 months. He then went to another Spanish club and was sacked again by the end of the season. He then failed to gt a very good Russian side to he world cup. Ye but he won the fa cup, come on look at chelseas run to the final, coincidently Portsmouth won it the season before.

Look at it like this Liverpool appoint a manager. His record is this, bare in mind he's been in mangement for nearly 30 years.

Dutch leauge 6 times
Dutch cup 4 times
European cup 1
fa cup 1

I'm sorry but that's pretty ordinary. Yes his teams may play pretty football,unfortunatly you don't win trophys for that. The record he's got does not justify the reputation he has.
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You're clearly wound up about Hiddink for whatever reason so I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but you ignore several key reasons why people wanted him here.

Firstly his international record in the last 8-10 years has been impressive, over-achieving with both Australia and South Korea, with both teams playing decent, spirited football.

However it was mainly because 12 months before he stabilised a sinking Chelsea ship and achieved a more than respectable finish. You can try and taunt the FA Cup all you like - although I wish any football fan wouldn't - under the circumstances the cup win coupled with a second place finish in the Premiership was a notable achievement and was the best Abramovich would have hoped for when the appointment was made.

A month or so ago we were in a very similar position, the lowest of the low, no light at the end of the tunnel, etc. If someone had come in and won us the biggest domestic trophy - do you actually think we'd be saying: "Well, who gives a shit? Portsmouth won it a year previous. Meh" Of course we wouldn't.

I'm not even Hiddink's biggest fan - part of me agrees largely with what you say; he does tend to be slightly over-rated at times. But you ruined a good point by overstating it.


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The reason I get wound up about Hiddink is the fact that he is bigged up by the press and some football fans for no apparent reason. As i said he has a very average trophy haul. His international record isnt amazing neither, with regards to South Korea did he not have the south korean leauge shut down the seaosn be fore the world cup. That is a huge advantadge to have over the other teams. Also the Australia team where actually a pretty strong team in the 2006 world cup. I think the players they had were slightly underated. You had the likes of schwarzer, kewell, neill, moore, bresciano and viduka to name but a few. Russia was a disgrace that team he had should of qualifed for the world cup.

My point is the fact he seems to get superstar billing, but does not have a superstar record.

The Chelsea stuff as well baffles me this was the run to the FA cup final southend, ipswich, watford, coventry, arsenal & everton. Not the most difficult of runs. He improved chelsea by one spot and I wouldn't even compare it to the situation we faced this season.
 
I'm a fan of Hiddink.

He can get the best out of any side, even with limited resources - which is exactly the situation with our club.

A commitment to a higher standard of football means capitalising on the ‘Hiddink Effect’. Recognition of the difference a world class technician makes to our players, our playing style and ultimately our success.

Can anyone again question the impact on our national team of an experienced and technically excellent master tactician?

A football professor from a culture, like all successful ones, which relies on skill and football brains above physicality. In short, exactly what we have been crying out for in this country.

It is fitting, given our Anglo-centric history, that in finally crossing the threshold to the promise land Australia was led by a Dutchman with a highly developed tactical acumen.

The perfect man at the perfect time.

The obvious impact of Guus Hiddink’s tactical understanding in qualifying the team sent an unarguable message to us all of the increased technical understanding Australia must achieve to succeed internationally.

Hiddink’s legacy will be lasting, a generation of devotees who will demand to see Australia play technical football and reject the ‘kick and rush’ philosophy as outdated, unattractive and unsuccessful.

The Socceroos qualified for the World Cup playing a brand of possession football Australians identified with, and how much better with another six months tactical work?

Moreover, how much can we achieve with another 10 or 20 years of tactical and technical education and instruction?

The ‘Hiddink Effect’ is one the FFA will, given Lowy’s comments, be replicating right down through the game to our younger national teams, club system and development structure.

More technical focus, greater tactical understanding and instruction, higher emphasis on skill in young players, less focus on ‘commitment’ above football intelligence and a style based on possession and skill, not running. This is the future.

The strong positive reaction to my recent column calling for a revolution in our football style underlined the presence of a powerful movement of people in this country who demand to watch quality football.

The more Aussie football fans watch Barcelona, Lyon and AC Milan play high quality football, the less they will accept the outdated physical style often employed at all levels in this country and largely copied from the UK.

One cannot dine on caviar on a Wednesday and blithely accept fast food of a weekend.

The most telling comments from Hiddink were insightful, particularly when he said very early in his tenure that our players are ‘over-committed’ and must learn to think before reacting.

Tactical discipline Hiddink calls it, how often do you ever hear that in Australia?

Not often, but you will. This is part of the ‘Hiddink Effect’.

We are rather more used to quotes like that recently from an A-League coach who called for more ‘fire in the belly’ from his players as the answer to substandard performances.

Perhaps he needs a session with Hiddink.
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He took the best generation of Australian players ever to the Second Round of the World Cup. And that's it.

You'd think he invented the fucking Barbeque the way you lot go on about him sometimes.
 
[quote author=Roopy link=topic=38950.msg1055735#msg1055735 date=1266453750]
I'm a fan of Hiddink.

He can get the best out of any side, even with limited resources - which is exactly the situation with our club.

A commitment to a higher standard of football means capitalising on the ‘Hiddink Effect’. Recognition of the difference a world class technician makes to our players, our playing style and ultimately our success.

Can anyone again question the impact on our national team of an experienced and technically excellent master tactician?

A football professor from a culture, like all successful ones, which relies on skill and football brains above physicality. In short, exactly what we have been crying out for in this country.

It is fitting, given our Anglo-centric history, that in finally crossing the threshold to the promise land Australia was led by a Dutchman with a highly developed tactical acumen.

The perfect man at the perfect time.

The obvious impact of Guus Hiddink’s tactical understanding in qualifying the team sent an unarguable message to us all of the increased technical understanding Australia must achieve to succeed internationally.

Hiddink’s legacy will be lasting, a generation of devotees who will demand to see Australia play technical football and reject the ‘kick and rush’ philosophy as outdated, unattractive and unsuccessful.

The Socceroos qualified for the World Cup playing a brand of possession football Australians identified with, and how much better with another six months tactical work?

Moreover, how much can we achieve with another 10 or 20 years of tactical and technical education and instruction?

The ‘Hiddink Effect’ is one the FFA will, given Lowy’s comments, be replicating right down through the game to our younger national teams, club system and development structure.

More technical focus, greater tactical understanding and instruction, higher emphasis on skill in young players, less focus on ‘commitment’ above football intelligence and a style based on possession and skill, not running. This is the future.

The strong positive reaction to my recent column calling for a revolution in our football style underlined the presence of a powerful movement of people in this country who demand to watch quality football.

The more Aussie football fans watch Barcelona, Lyon and AC Milan play high quality football, the less they will accept the outdated physical style often employed at all levels in this country and largely copied from the UK.

One cannot dine on caviar on a Wednesday and blithely accept fast food of a weekend.

The most telling comments from Hiddink were insightful, particularly when he said very early in his tenure that our players are ‘over-committed’ and must learn to think before reacting.

Tactical discipline Hiddink calls it, how often do you ever hear that in Australia?

Not often, but you will. This is part of the ‘Hiddink Effect’.

We are rather more used to quotes like that recently from an A-League coach who called for more ‘fire in the belly’ from his players as the answer to substandard performances.

Perhaps he needs a session with Hiddink.
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But his record does not say he can get the best out of any side, no disrespect to the dutch leauge but 1 major trophy in a managerial career that spans nearly 30 years shows this. He seems to be able to get to the edge of sucess but just cant push the team the extra yard required.
 
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=38950.msg1055497#msg1055497 date=1266413585]


Look at it like this Liverpool appoint a manager. His record is this, bare in mind he's been in mangement for nearly 30 years.

Dutch leauge 6 times
Dutch cup 4 times
European cup 1
fa cup 1


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And there you have it.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38950.msg1055736#msg1055736 date=1266454011]
He took the best generation of Australian players ever to the Second Round of the World Cup.
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2006 was Australia's best generation of players? No way!

That would have to be the mid-late 90's side with the likes of Ivanovic, Bosnich, Zelic, Viduka, Ivanovic, Tobin, Aurelio Vidmar, Lazaridis, Paul Okon etc
 
[quote author=Roopy link=topic=38950.msg1055749#msg1055749 date=1266455364]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38950.msg1055736#msg1055736 date=1266454011]
He took the best generation of Australian players ever to the Second Round of the World Cup.
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2006 was Australia's best generation of players? No way!

That would have to be the mid-late 90's side with the likes of Ivanovic, Bosnich, Zelic, Viduka, Ivanovic, Tobin, Aurelio Vidmar, Lazaridis, Paul Okon etc
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Bollocks.

2006 was the best team they've ever had. Kewell, Cahill, Schwarzer, Viduka, Moore, Bresciano, Grella, Emerton, Neill.
 
Regardless of what you think of him he can certainly get a team performing to near their best very quickly. He did it with Australia and Chelsea as both teams improved there level of play almost immediately. There are doubts about his ability to manage at club level long term and the fact he has taken the Turkey position suggests he has those doubts too or can't be arsed.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38950.msg1055713#msg1055713 date=1266451351]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38950.msg1055709#msg1055709 date=1266450887]
Hmmm.....it's gone awfully quiet from Toblerone Tony.
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Good.
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We both know it won't last.

A forum of millions couldn't hold him back from talking arse.
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"Rafa is a defensive Manager"

"I want Mourinho"

You stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid idot.
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tee hee you spelt idiot wrong 😉
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38950.msg1055725#msg1055725 date=1266452624]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38950.msg1055720#msg1055720 date=1266452172]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38950.msg1055713#msg1055713 date=1266451351]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38950.msg1055709#msg1055709 date=1266450887]
Hmmm.....it's gone awfully quiet from Toblerone Tony.
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Good.
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We both know it won't last.

A forum of millions couldn't hold him back from talking arse.
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"Rafa is a defensive Manager"

"I want Mourinho"

You stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid idot.
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tee hee you spelt idiot wrong 😉


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Hello, Im not a geek sorry lads...
We have money, Johnson, Aquilani, Mascherano, new contracts, new sponsorship and Purslow just confirmed it.
Some are listening too much into the SoS propaganda and their minutes.
As for Mourinho, Im convinced he would succeed at LFC. There is no way he could do worse than Rafa did this season.

If that makes me an idot then ok fair enough.
 
Wow lechal you wonder why people don't take you seriously on here with drivel like above. That is money we don't havewe have already spent it. If we had all kinds of cash we wouldn't be fucking whoreing ourselves out to any ducker with a credit rating.

Although I do think maureen will come regardless of the cash situation.
 
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