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Hiddink joins Turkey

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Why do you think Hiddink is over-rated? I thought he did really well with chelsea considering he came in late in the season and had team full of players low on morale. I think Ancellotti came out recently and said they were still using the training methods (fitness anyway) Hiddink used while he was there.
 
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=38950.msg1055480#msg1055480 date=1266409226]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/mobile/football/8513955.stm

THank Fuck for that, at least I won't have to hear his name linked to the Liverpool job anymore. The biggest fraud in world football.

What other players / managers have been rated better than what they actually are? Beckham seems to be in this catergory.
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As with anything, it's all about balance.

Of course, the truth lies somewhere between the claim at the end of your post, and the ridiculous accusation at the beginning of it.
 
I think hiddink is an excellent manager and get teams playing in the manner they should play but its hard to judge his ability to bring in top players as at international level he doesn't have to buy anyone and for chelsea he had a ready made team.
 
I'm sorry but you just need to scratch beneath the surface, and it's there to be seen how mediocre his record is. The guy has never in his career won a major leauge title. He won the Dutch leave and the dutch cup. He won the euro cup over 20 years ago. He went to real Madrid and was sacked within 6 months. He then went to another Spanish club and was sacked again by the end of the season. He then failed to gt a very good Russian side to he world cup. Ye but he won the fa cup, come on look at chelseas run to the final, coincidently Portsmouth won it the season before.

Look at it like this Liverpool appoint a manager. His record is this, bare in mind he's been in mangement for nearly 30 years.

Dutch leauge 6 times
Dutch cup 4 times
European cup 1
fa cup 1

I'm sorry but that's pretty ordinary. Yes his teams may play pretty football,unfortunatly you don't win trophys for that. The record he's got does not justify the reputation he has.
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=38950.msg1055509#msg1055509 date=1266417251]
Good news, its gonna be Mourinho then.
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Nah, it's not. He won't come without money. We've got no money and so no Mourinho.
 
If/when Rafa goes, we are going to be hugely disappointed with his replacement unless there is a huge investment brought in.
 
[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=38950.msg1055497#msg1055497 date=1266413585]
I'm sorry but you just need to scratch beneath the surface, and it's there to be seen how mediocre his record is. The guy has never in his career won a major leauge title. He won the Dutch leave and the dutch cup. He won the euro cup over 20 years ago. He went to real Madrid and was sacked within 6 months. He then went to another Spanish club and was sacked again by the end of the season. He then failed to gt a very good Russian side to he world cup. Ye but he won the fa cup, come on look at chelseas run to the final, coincidently Portsmouth won it the season before.

Look at it like this Liverpool appoint a manager. His record is this, bare in mind he's been in mangement for nearly 30 years.

Dutch leauge 6 times
Dutch cup 4 times
European cup 1
fa cup 1

I'm sorry but that's pretty ordinary. Yes his teams may play pretty football,unfortunatly you don't win trophys for that. The record he's got does not justify the reputation he has.
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You're clearly wound up about Hiddink for whatever reason so I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but you ignore several key reasons why people wanted him here.

Firstly his international record in the last 8-10 years has been impressive, over-achieving with both Australia and South Korea, with both teams playing decent, spirited football.

However it was mainly because 12 months before he stabilised a sinking Chelsea ship and achieved a more than respectable finish. You can try and taunt the FA Cup all you like - although I wish any football fan wouldn't - under the circumstances the cup win coupled with a second place finish in the Premiership was a notable achievement and was the best Abramovich would have hoped for when the appointment was made.

A month or so ago we were in a very similar position, the lowest of the low, no light at the end of the tunnel, etc. If someone had come in and won us the biggest domestic trophy - do you actually think we'd be saying: "Well, who gives a shit? Portsmouth won it a year previous. Meh" Of course we wouldn't.

I'm not even Hiddink's biggest fan - part of me agrees largely with what you say; he does tend to be slightly over-rated at times. But you ruined a good point by overstating it.
 
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[quote author=Redshrek link=topic=38950.msg1055497#msg1055497 date=1266413585]
I'm sorry but you just need to scratch beneath the surface, and it's there to be seen how mediocre his record is. The guy has never in his career won a major leauge title. He won the Dutch leave and the dutch cup. He won the euro cup over 20 years ago. He went to real Madrid and was sacked within 6 months. He then went to another Spanish club and was sacked again by the end of the season. He then failed to gt a very good Russian side to he world cup. Ye but he won the fa cup, come on look at chelseas run to the final, coincidently Portsmouth won it the season before.

Look at it like this Liverpool appoint a manager. His record is this, bare in mind he's been in mangement for nearly 30 years.

Dutch leauge 6 times
Dutch cup 4 times
European cup 1
fa cup 1

I'm sorry but that's pretty ordinary. Yes his teams may play pretty football,unfortunatly you don't win trophys for that. The record he's got does not justify the reputation he has.
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You're clearly wound up about Hiddink for whatever reason so I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but you ignore several key reasons why people wanted him here.

Firstly his international record in the last 8-10 years has been impressive, over-achieving with both Australia and South Korea, with both teams playing decent, spirited football.

However it was mainly because 12 months before he stabilised a sinking Chelsea ship and achieved a more than respectable finish. You can try and taunt the FA Cup all you like - although I wish any football fan wouldn't - under the circumstances the cup win coupled with a second place finish in the Premiership was a notable achievement and was the best Abramovich would have hoped for when the appointment was made.

A month or so ago we were in a very similar position, the lowest of the low, no light at the end of the tunnel, etc. If someone had come in and won us the biggest domestic trophy - do you actually think we'd be saying: "Well, who gives a shit? Portsmouth won it a year previous. Meh" Of course we wouldn't.

I'm not even Hiddink's biggest fan - part of me agrees largely with what you say; he does tend to be slightly over-rated at times. But you ruined a good point by overstating it.


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A bit of an exagguration. Chelsea had a few terrible performances under Scolari (Anfield and OT spring to mind), but they were still in with a shout of the league and had qualified comfortably for CL last 16. Also, we finished second last season, not Chelsea.
 
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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=38950.msg1055509#msg1055509 date=1266417251]
Good news, its gonna be Mourinho then.
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Nah, it's not. He won't come without money. We've got no money and so no Mourinho.
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I've neverd heard him say he will only join a club that has loads of money.
And we've got money actually.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38950.msg1055549#msg1055549 date=1266429053]
Have we? Great news!
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We bought a RB for £20M didnt we?
 
Great news, he's so overrated, it's unreal. I didn't think for a second he would be approached anyway.
 
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38950.msg1055557#msg1055557 date=1266429662]
Great news, he's so overrated, it's unreal. I didn't think for a second he would be approached anyway.
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We approached Klinsmann you know
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38950.msg1055549#msg1055549 date=1266429053]
Have we? Great news!
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We bought a RB for £20M didnt we?
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there have been further developments since then, the essence of them being that we've got no money.
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=38950.msg1055565#msg1055565 date=1266429834]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38950.msg1055557#msg1055557 date=1266429662]
Great news, he's so overrated, it's unreal. I didn't think for a second he would be approached anyway.
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We approached Klinsmann you know
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OK I'll bite. How is that relevant to the newspaper speculation about Hiddink taking over?
 
Good news for Ireland he's gone from Russia anyway for Euro qualifiers.

Its arguable that Grant did as good if not better job with Chelsea than Hiddink though
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=38950.msg1055547#msg1055547 date=1266428922]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38950.msg1055522#msg1055522 date=1266422635]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=38950.msg1055509#msg1055509 date=1266417251]
Good news, its gonna be Mourinho then.
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Nah, it's not. He won't come without money. We've got no money and so no Mourinho.
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I've neverd heard him say he will only join a club that has loads of money.
And we've got money actually.
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You talking about liverpool or switzerland?
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=38950.msg1055552#msg1055552 date=1266429152]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38950.msg1055549#msg1055549 date=1266429053]
Have we? Great news!
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We bought a RB for £20M didnt we?
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Hence that is £20m we no longer have.
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=38950.msg1055509#msg1055509 date=1266417251]
Good news, its gonna be Mourinho then.
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You are digging such a big hole with this Mourinho shit Chac.
How are you going to explain away your dissapointment after six months if he ever does come?
 
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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=38950.msg1055509#msg1055509 date=1266417251]
Good news, its gonna be Mourinho then.
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You are digging such a big hole with this Mourinho shit Chac.
How are you going to explain away your dissapointment after six months if he ever does come?
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By leaving the site?

-crosses fingers-
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=38950.msg1055709#msg1055709 date=1266450887]
Hmmm.....it's gone awfully quiet from Toblerone Tony.
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Good.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38950.msg1055713#msg1055713 date=1266451351]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38950.msg1055709#msg1055709 date=1266450887]
Hmmm.....it's gone awfully quiet from Toblerone Tony.
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Good.
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We both know it won't last.

A forum of millions couldn't hold him back from talking arse.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38950.msg1055713#msg1055713 date=1266451351]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38950.msg1055709#msg1055709 date=1266450887]
Hmmm.....it's gone awfully quiet from Toblerone Tony.
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Good.
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We both know it won't last.

A forum of millions couldn't hold him back from talking arse.
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"Rafa is a defensive Manager"

"I want Mourinho"

You stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid idot.
 
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