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So verticality basically means this is a player who has the skillset for patiently keeping possession and probing, but is also eager to break the lines with a forward pass or a run whenever there is an opportunity to do so.
I have never heard the term “insertion” before in football context. Maybe it’s lost in translation from Italian.
Insertion sounds like something soccer guy would say.. "Goaltender Insertion"
I too am a big fan of insertion Jurgen.
And not signing Traore.
Claiming Oxlade Chamberlain was an error shows what a know-nothing try-hard nobhead you really are.
Ox was a walking sick note at Arsenal, and it was no different at Liverpool.
It's easy to judge in hindsight. But what was wrong with signing Karius, Ox or Keita?
Karius was 20 years old when he became first choice at Mainz. He was voted second best keeper in the Bundesliga before he joined us, and he cost us less than 5 million pounds. Ox was electric when he first joined us. Arsenal fans were banging their heads after his first season.
Karius was 20 years old when he became first choice at Mainz. He was voted second best keeper in the Bundesliga before he joined us, and he cost us less than 5 million pounds. Ox was electric when he first joined us. Arsenal fans were banging their heads after his first season.
I always felt Karius was quite a big risk, even at the time. There was very little to suggest he would be a top class keeper, and he basically ended up costing us the European Cup final.
Although if it was part of the equation of ultimately ending up with Alisson then even that was a price worth paying.
I agree about Ox - he looked a real player until the injury. That's just one of those things.
I don't think it's a case of hindsight is 20/20 with Ox. I thought at the time - as did many - that it was a lot of money for a super injury prone player in his last year. And that turned out to be the case.
With some players it's always a case of "what if?"... and sadly for him, he's one of them.
With some players it's always a case of "what if?"... and sadly for him, he's one of them.
Yeah but
Yeah but when we signed Karius we had just finished 8th, and our keepers were Mignolet and some other dudes. I don't think we could have signed Alisson then, and I don't think we envisioned that we'd be playing against Real Madrid in a CL Final three years later. He wasn't a big risk for a club in our position then.
Yeah but when we signed Karius we had just finished 8th, and our keepers were Mignolet and some other dudes. I don't think we could have signed Alisson then, and I don't think we envisioned that we'd be playing against Real Madrid in a CL Final three years later. He wasn't a big risk for a club in our position then.
It just seemed a pointless non-upgrade on Mignolet to me. A waste of time.
Karius - I can see the reason for signing. Didn't work out..
Ox - Klopp works wonders with players like him. I can understand.
Keita - Yeah he hasn't the dizzy heights of the other Klopp signings...
But overall, when we used to sign players, it was a case of crossing the fingers.
Now it's a good signing, 90% of the time.
Ox - Klopp works wonders with players like him. I can understand.
Keita - Yeah he hasn't the dizzy heights of the other Klopp signings...
But overall, when we used to sign players, it was a case of crossing the fingers.
Now it's a good signing, 90% of the time.
Troof. Karius as shite as he was got us to a cl final. So did ox. Keita started most games in the back half of a season where we went unbeaten and closed 12 points on city, won 2 cups and got to yet another cl final. He's still fucking shite though
Bit Harsh on all points:
1) Keita - we did not realize he was going to be injured for so long, but except for one game, he has been alright to good, and on occasions has stepped up to confirm he has what we are looking for. However, the availability has been a massive issue with this guy. Talent wise - I don't think it was a mistake and performance wise it's not so bad to the point where you can call him a failure.
2) Karius - what for 5-6M ? - what could we have expected - yeah failure.
3) OX - in his first season before that injury - he was not a failure. Whatever, happened after that - is an issue now. So again not such a failure as you put it.
Failures in my book are the likes of Andy Carol, Aquilani, and Balotelli - seriously the OX, and Keita have a long way to go before you can call them at the level of those former three who have defined "Failure" for our club.
Sauce?
he signed them, they haven't worked out either due to injuries or just being shit. All signings are a gamble, if they don't work-out they're a mistake. It shows Klopp can make mistakes
Basically since Klopp got here and imo personally vetted every signing for mentality and work ethic before they joined. With that youve got half the battle won, you can train the rest.
Gut
You trying to be German? A good sauce?
For me it was Minamino. But mainly because I got to see much of him in the Austrian Bundesliga. He played the match of his life in the CL against us which earned him a career so fair play to him.
But to hear about our interest in him made my jaw drop.
Ah Taki - what can we say about Taki - especially last season, I think he scored nearly every time he played - that is in no way a failure.
Ben Davies is the only signing which can described as one and he was also a cheap punt at 2 million.
I completely forgot about him. Yeah, he was an unmitigated disaster, as we didn't even try him
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