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Henry Saving Face.. ???

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Sorry but I don't think you fellas are entitled to claim to speak for others besides yourselves. I'm English (and I do actually like to see England doing well, except when it disadvantages LFC through injuries etc.) but I care what happened, because it was cheating which tarnishes the whole game (and will cast a shadow over whichever bit of the World Cup France are involved in) and because I have Irish friends including Whaddapie himself.
 
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=37326.msg993586#msg993586 date=1258741583]
We'll have to agree to differ.

There's always a brief media furore, as we've seen with N'gog recently, but it soon settles down and is brushed under the carpet. Only those who cheat week after week get tarnished for good, like Drogba for instance. Rightly or wrongly the actions of a lot of players is forgotten about very quickly, especially in games where 99% of football fans aren't arsed about the result.

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You've just described my Sunday league game. Not a playoff to get into the biggest tournament in the world.

That's my point... You assume that because you 1) don't care and 2) are happy with the outcome, that nobody else cares. You're wrong mate.
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No I haven't & I've never said I was happy with the outcome. You're just bias and still angry at the result, and trying to grab some small consolation from the idea of Henry being tarnished for good, which he won't be.

If you're not from Ireland or France - why would anyone give a fuck? I didn't give a toss about Algeria beating Egypt or New Zealand scraping through the finals. The stakes maybe high but it's not a high profile game.

To anyone else it's just another just another World Cup without Ireland.
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Squiggles, EVERYONE who watches the WC Finals next summer, no matter where they're watching it, whether they're involved or not, the first time Henry is shown on camera, the first time he touches the ball, the first time he scores, dives, etc... they'll all be thinking "that's the bloke who cheated to get France to the finals".

He'll be remembered for this incident, around the globe, as much as for his unquestionable brilliance throughout his career. Just like Maradonna. And not just in Ireland.

And "happy" may have been the wrong word to use, but your "not being up in arms" comment suggests at least some small satisfaction at seeing us Irish unhappy...
 
Whaddapie you're not doing yourself any favours here mate. When it comes to english, irish relations there will be always those who will delight in the failure of one or the other. Whilst some on the english side of things have shown themselves to be only too eager to rub it in most have been more than fair about it. Most of us have never been slow to snigger when things have gone pear shaped for them. H though can still most certainly fuck off.
 
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Which occurred at a WC quarter final under the eyes of the world, watched by hundreds of millions of people.

It's pretty different.
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Absolute bollocks. There was probably at least as big an audience for the France/Ireland match than the Argentina/England one
 
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Whaddapie mate you're not doing yourself any favours here mate. When it comes to english, irish relations there will be always those who will delight in the failure of one or the other. Whilst some on the english side of things have shown themselves to be only too eager to rub it in most have been more than fair about it. Most of us have never been slow to snigger when things have gone pear shaped for them. H though can still most certainly fuck off.
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And I don't like that either, mate.

I can't understand those of us who come on here and tease when they get knocked out in the quarter-finals of a tournament that we didn't qualify for... Some perspective is called for on both sides, no?
 
Wow, nobody has come up with "it's Rafa's fault," or " we could signed and have got Henry here and none of these would have happened" yet?

*runs*
 
YOU CAN FUCKING STICK YOUR FUCKING CROCODILE TEARS UP YOUR FUCKING FRENCH HOLE HENRY YOU FUCKING MEGACUNT.
 
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And "happy" may have been the wrong word to use, but your "not being up in arms" comment suggests at least some small satisfaction at seeing us Irish unhappy...
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I'm also "not up in arms" over the incident, though I think it sad and unfortunate. You lot deserved better but, at least from this corner of the globe, I'm not outraged. If I were in your (or any other Irish) shoes I'd be right pissed and you all have every right to be. Don't take it personally when others aren't quite as worked up though. I'd be very happy for my country to have reached that far in qualifying.
 
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[quote author=Niall K link=topic=37326.msg994139#msg994139 date=1258765004]
Whaddapie mate you're not doing yourself any favours here mate. When it comes to english, irish relations there will be always those who will delight in the failure of one or the other. Whilst some on the english side of things have shown themselves to be only too eager to rub it in most have been more than fair about it. Most of us have never been slow to snigger when things have gone pear shaped for them. H though can still most certainly fuck off.
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And I don't like that either, mate.

I can't understand those of us who come on here and tease when they get knocked out in the quarter-finals of a tournament that we didn't qualify for... Some perspective is called for on both sides, no?
[/quote] Course there is. But given the history between us thats never likely. As i have said before most of it nowadays is fairly good natured which is a good thing,as that wasnt always the case
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=37326.msg994262#msg994262 date=1258792260]
YOU CAN FUCKING STICK YOUR FUCKING CROCODILE TEARS UP YOUR FUCKING FRENCH HOLE HENRY YOU FUCKING MEGACUNT.


[/quote]Good to see you havent let the cheating twat piss you off Ryan
 
As the French Football A. have rejected the possibilty of a replay, I guess this means it's over.
UEFA will never make the teams play each other again, so I guess thats it.

I wonder how many other strikers would have done the exact same thing in the exact same moment with a WC on the line. My guess is quite a lot.

Doesn't excuse what he did though, and the fact that he's now a very unpopular cnut in my eyes.
 
Duff said in the post-match interview that he or Keane would've done the same thing at the other end.

And this sort of thing is done week in, week out in every league round the world. It'd be a little harsh, in my opinion, if this incident completely overshadowed his career.
 
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Duff said in the post-match interview that he or Keane would've done the same thing at the other end.

And this sort of thing is done week in, week out in every league round the world. It'd be a little harsh, in my opinion, if this incident completely overshadowed his career.
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It's not the handball though Ken, not for me anyway. It was the subsequent celebration, the mewling to Dunne, the backtracking on the 'intent' of it, and the fact he was only reduced to this half-baked apology once he'd been found out for being the cunt he is.

I'll never ever forgive him for that celebration.
 
[quote author=Niall K link=topic=37326.msg994139#msg994139 date=1258765004]
Whaddapie you're not doing yourself any favours here mate. When it comes to english, irish relations there will be always those who will delight in the failure of one or the other. Whilst some on the english side of things have shown themselves to be only too eager to rub it in most have been more than fair about it. Most of us have never been slow to snigger when things have gone pear shaped for them. H though can still most certainly fuck off.
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A very fair summation there Niall.
 
Manchester United defender Patrice Evra has ridiculed calls for the second leg of France's World Cup play-off against the Republic of Ireland to be replayed by offering a rematch on his Playstation.

And Evra lashed out at French fans for criticising Thierry Henry following his handball in the build-up to William Gallas' decisive goal, claiming that they should be erecting a statue for his France team-mate.

The Football Association of Ireland were forced to admit defeat in their efforts to have the match replayed today.

And Evra insisted it was always a ludicrous idea.

He told L'Equipe: "In football there are injustices all the time. Titi (Henry) doesn't deserve this. Leave him be.

"Who made the mistake? The referee.

"When I think that certain politicians want to replay the match... They don't even know if the ball is round or oval and they would be the first to come and drink champagne in South Africa.

"The replay, I'll do it when you want on a Playstation."

FIFA yesterday ruled out a replay and France will take their place in next summer's finals while Ireland will remain at home, the victims of what they believe has been a gross miscarriage of justice.

A statement from FAI chief executive John Delaney read: "We regret that, despite our best efforts for a replay which would have restored the integrity of the game in front of a worldwide audience, our calls appear to have fallen on deaf ears at the French Football Federation.

"Without doubt, the credibility of fair play has been damaged by this incident in front of a worldwide audience.

"Despite our deep disappointment, we thank our players, the wonderful Irish fans and the Irish public at large for their support, as well as the solidarity of the French people.

"We will continue to call on FIFA to take action to ensure that such damaging examples of cheating are not allowed to recur."

Henry has been roundly castigated at home and abroad but Evra leapt to the defence of the under-fire France captain.

"We're arguing about Henry? We should build a statue for him," he added.

"That the world press destroys Henry, fine, no worries. But that we, in France, do it, that's impossible. It must stop.

"If Titi had cancelled out the goal by going to see the referee and we had lost, it would have been the same people who would have talked about his ego.

"Frankly, if he had done this, I would have told him 'Titi, you have betrayed us.'

"This handball, it's an instinctive gesture. What sportsman can look at himself in the mirror and pretend that it could not happen to him? Who would have gone to see the referee to tell him?

"These people are hypocrites. We're going to South Africa, that's all."

France's dismal performance in the play-off has given Raymond Domenech's critics more ammunition.

Many feel that if Les Bleus are to have any chance of success in South Africa Domenech has to go, following a poor Euro 2008 showing and a disappointing World Cup qualifying campaign.

The French Football Federation have confirmed the under-pressure coach will still be in charge next summer, a decision Evra applauds.

"We weren't good, we passed really close to a catastrophe," he said. "But we stuck to our guns.

"I will not sing, but I'm not ashamed.

"They always create stories around us. That is good, it builds up character in us.

"People invent stories because they have something against our coach. But hit! Hit! That makes him stronger. He will break the record for longevity on the bench of the France team
 
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He's a manc what do you expect
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I think the fact that he's French has more to do with it.
 
Robbie Keane would've done it at the other end if he could get away with it, what gets me about the incident is Henry running half the length of the pitch to celebrate it, not the actions of an even remotely embarassed man.
 
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