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Hendersons gait and injuries

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athensruairi said:
Henderson runs non-stop for most of the match.

This is possibly just as much of a reason as any other.

Michael Johnson, he of 400 metre fame, used to run on tracks (a bit more firm than football pitches) with a very strange gait. Did he complain about stress injuries?

Anyway, if it is his gait causing the problems, it shouldn't become too bad a problem until we don't need him anymore...
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Michael Johnson was unusual because he broke convention with regard to how people thought the quickest way to run was.

But yes he suffered stress fractures and plenty of other injuries. And you have to bear in mind he'd never perform anywhere near as regulalry as Henderson.

Are we going to do a run down of everyone who ran funny to see if they were ever injured, so we can disprove the notion that biomechanics are related to injury
 
gkmacca said:
No, we're not 'refusing to believe it,' we're just noting there's insufficient empirical evidence to be sure what the cause is. Give my regards to the seventeeth century.
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This. It has nothing to do with it being Fergusons remark. Its about the evidence. There isnt any.
So while Ross desperatly tries to pin this down to Ferguson being on to something, there are loads of examples as I posted above that they usually happen because of a challenge or that your foot get caught in the ground.

Henderson has played roughly 330 games in his professional career without any other injuries like the ones he suffered now. His two ankle injuries earlier in his career, 2010 and 2015, came from twisting his ankle once in a game the other in training.
If the broken bone fracture is stress related why hasnt it happen sooner? He's been top of the distance covered tables nearly every season.

So for someone like Ross who always look to the evidence its strange that he uses some American expert making a general comment, which isolated has nothing to do with Henderson, and a remark from Ferguson as the base of his argument.

If there are any evidence that the injuries are stress related because of his "biomechanics" then Ferguson was obviously on to something. But until then its just a remark without any substance.
 
You're just stupendously dumb.

Let's ignore the facts of the injuries
And medical evidence.

And then claim there's no evidence and make some stupid points that show you know exactly nothing about injury, biomechanics or anything else. Your still just a fucking bullshitter. Fuck off
 
I don't know why I let a failed comedy writer and know nothing fuck with bother me
 
Hansern said:
Beckham broke the second metatarsal and it was caused by a two footed tackle.
Rooney has had this injury 3 times. All tackles. Andrade, Ferreira and Duberry.

Gerrard suffered the same injury in 2004. His foot got caught as he tried to turn.
So to suggest Henderson got it from how he "runs" or his gait is veeery speculative at best.



The breaking of a metatarsal seems to be increasingly common among England's top stars.

There are many theories being put forward to explain why so many players have fallen foul over the last few years.

Some believe it is the number of games played at the top level, some say training is more intensive, and others argue that training on artifical surfaces has a higher impact the body.

Evolving designs of boots have also come into question.

Many boots are now much lighter and more flexible, with a variety of new studs and blades available.
Some suggest that players' feet are less protected and supported.
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I broke my 3rd and 4th Metatarsals in my right foot last year. It was a twat of a tackle.

I don't run funny though (I think)
 
If you want to be scientific, rather than just broscientific, then of course you've got nowhere near enough information to draw any conclusion at all with regards to this particular instance. It's an interesting little coincidence and the general discussion regarding gait and injury was mildly interesting while I had my coffee and tried to not think about the small indignities I'll face today.
 
If he's always had that gait, his muscles have likely adapted. However... I would be concerned if he had a pretty serious muscle injury as it might trigger a tonne of other niggling injuries.

The truth is though... Nobody knows what is gonna happen. He could quite easily play until he's 34 with very few issues and others..like Ledley King appear fit but are made out of twigs.
 
Rosco said:
You're just stupendously dumb.

Let's ignore the facts of the injuries
And medical evidence.

And then claim there's no evidence and make some stupid points that show you know exactly nothing about injury, biomechanics or anything else. Your still just a fucking bullshitter. Fuck off
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Hahaha! Starting this thread didnt turn out quite the way you wanted did it? How many people have to tell you that you dont have enough information before you understand it?
And its you're by the way.
 
The list of points about Metatarsal injuries are from the BBC by the way. So, yeeaah.
 
Rosco said:
Michael Johnson was unusual because he broke convention with regard to how people thought the quickest way to run was.

But yes he suffered stress fractures and plenty of other injuries. And you have to bear in mind he'd never perform anywhere near as regulalry as Henderson.

Are we going to do a run down of everyone who ran funny to see if they were ever injured, so we can disprove the notion that biomechanics are related to injury
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He wouldn't have performed but I'm sure his training routine was pretty punishing.

I reckon it's the little gambol he does before a goal that's the problem. Although the team hasn't exactly scored enough, perhaps he does it before the opposition score too.
 
I want to see the evidence that Henderson has the dodgy gait. Perhaps we all have dodgy gaits and his is normal.
 
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Piedro said:
I broke my 3rd and 4th Metatarsals in my right foot last year. It was a twat of a tackle.

I don't run funny though (I think)
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Not metatarsal related but one of my former teammates careers ended with a shithouse tackle. Broke his ankle off completely and he was in so much pain that he couldnt kick a ball again when he finally was fit again. 3rd division over here and there was no need for the tackle either. He runs a bit funny now btw.
 
I reckon most of us on here would probably run a bit funny after a rough tackle from behind.
 
That was in the ancient times, and it was different back then.

Or so I've been told.
 
Hansern said:
Not metatarsal related but one of my former teammates careers ended with a shithouse tackle. Broke his ankle off completely and he was in so much pain that he couldnt kick a ball again when he finally was fit again. 3rd division over here and there was no need for the tackle either. He runs a bit funny now btw.
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Mine was in a friendly. It was my first game for my new Saturday league team last season. 10 mins in. I got to the ball before this lad and he just came down on my foot with his whole body weight. Totally intentional. My team mates were like, "Run it off, you'll be Ok" I came off, went to hospital about 3 days later and had completely cracked two of my metatarsals. I was out for 5 months with it! Made my League debut for the new team in January 🙂
 
Piedro said:
Mine was in a friendly. It was my first game for my new Saturday league team last season. 10 mins in. I got to the ball before this lad and he just came down on my foot with his whole body weight. Totally intentional. My team mates were like, "Run it off, you'll be Ok" I came off, went to hospital about 3 days later and had completely cracked two of my metatarsals. I was out for 5 months with it! Made my League debut for the new team in January 🙂
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Same thing happened to me when I tore my ankle ligaments. My teammates thought I could just run it off as I just twisted it without anyone around. Couldnt fucking move my leg and was out for months, and then had to play 6 months with this horrendous looking ankle support so that it couldnt twist again. Cunt of an injury..

5 months is a long time. Good to hear you've made your debut for the new team mate.
 
Broke a metatarsal too, bad tackle

Probability of it being a bad tackle has to be high. Can't plantar fasciitis be caused be excessive running, this is Jordan Henderson we're talking about...

Ferguson might have a point but probably not, no need to suck him off just yet.
 
I suffered with plantar fasciitis for 6 months. It hurts like a bitch in the morning but once you've walked on it for a while its ok. I was cycling a lot and wearing crappie runners that provided no support, I could pretty much bend the shoe from heel to toe with very little effort. My foot essentially wrapped over the peddle.
 
Rosco said:
I've pulled this out of the other thread.

Essentially because it was Ferguson said Hendersons runs from his knees and that could cause him problems down the line - Hansern and others can't admit that their might actually be something in this.

I've already posted an orthopaedic experts views taken from the physioroom website and posted them but Hansern clearly knows better.
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1. not that reliable a source is it?
2. Like most unproven theories for every one you can post there will be same if not more experts refuting your claim
 
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