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Henderson Leaves Al Ettifaq by mutual consent

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Meanwhile Gerrard is being rewarded for "poor results".

Al Ettifaq are eighth in the Saudi Pro League after a string of poor results. However, following the departure of Henderson, Al Ettifaq announced that Gerrard had signed a two-year contract extension through 2027.
 
Meanwhile Gerrard is being rewarded for "poor results".

Al Ettifaq are eighth in the Saudi Pro League after a string of poor results. However, following the departure of Henderson, Al Ettifaq announced that Gerrard had signed a two-year contract extension through 2027.
Al Ettifaq haven't really spent anything though have they? Their record signing funnily enough is Jordan Henderson so it's no real surprise they're 8th.
 
Bravo agent hendo, gave up £4m and 6 months to smear the Saudi league. Now it’ll all fade to dust.
 
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We all knew it, but the Dutch are a bit weird:

JUST IN: Jordan Henderson’s shirt is already the fastest-selling player shirt in Ajax HISTORY. [@ajaxlife]
 
I reckon our Hero/Former Captain/GENIUS has just taken one for the team.
There's no way Mo is ever gonna leave us now just to go to that shite.
 
Our Arab Muslim player isn't going to settle in an Arab country because Hendo didn't?

Checks out...
 
Our Arab Muslim player isn't going to settle in an Arab country because Hendo didn't?

Checks out...

Going there is retiring and playing friendlies in terms of the import of that league to world football.

Nothing that has happened has changed that. Nobody they have targeted to bring in indicates any seriousness in terms of a long term development strategy. They are buying names, not footballers, and they are building advertisements, not football teams, and I'm glad it is going horribly.

People are very convinced by the huge sums of money, and even more so their agents are, knowing that their client is about to go to seed. Footballers have lived quite sheltered lives in some respects, and some of them are rubes. If they're ready to be done with actual football, it might work. For others, they realize what they are missing almost immediately and it wears on them. The fact that the place is also very foreign to some of their experience is the icing on the cake, but I don't think it's the most glaring deficiency. Fundamentally you may as well be playing in your garden in terms of exposure and significance.
 
Going there is retiring and playing friendlies in terms of the import of that league to world football.

Nothing that has happened has changed that. Nobody they have targeted to bring in indicates any seriousness in terms of a long term development strategy. They are buying names, not footballers, and they are building advertisements, not football teams, and I'm glad it is going horribly.

People are very convinced by the huge sums of money, and even more so their agents are, knowing that their client is about to go to seed. Footballers have lived quite sheltered lives in some respects, and some of them are rubes. If they're ready to be done with actual football, it might work. For others, they realize what they are missing almost immediately and it wears on them. The fact that the place is also very foreign to some of their experience is the icing on the cake, but I don't think it's the most glaring deficiency. Fundamentally you may as well be playing in your garden in terms of exposure and significance.
I agree with what you're saying and that is more about Salah's character and principles. Something our former cap probably lacked.
So obviously there's a chance Salah's realises that it's a bit shit playing in Saudi but settling there won't be an issue imo. He's born and raised in a small city in Egypt, he's not Arab-European like Benzema.
 
As someone who dealt with expatriate families (in HK and Shanghai) for over 20 years and has been expat (and so mixed with many other expat families/individuals) for nearly 45 years, Henderson, if the rumours are true of course, (and his family too) is a very clear case of adherence to the typical expat cycle (the effects of which can be exacerbated by the degree of variance in culture shock to your home culture). I'll just put a chart or two below.

Basically he (and his family) need careful management (with a specialist expat family psychologist) and any knowledgeable, caring and professional corporation (Saudi Arabia ? Ha!) would provide this welfare service for their well-being, to help them understand the psychological changes they are undergoing), obviously this is in the company's best interests too. Not everyone can cope - some break their contract and return home early, even resign from the company - but most battle through and learn to, if not love and enjoy their time abroad, at least manage being expatriate.

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In more depth if you are so inclined to read on - if not just skip it:


Psychological Effects (5 stages from Honeymoon to Integration)

Strain: due to having to make so very many psychological adaptations without any sort of respite.
Sense of loss and feelings of deprivation: regarding the status, friends, possessions, etc. to which you were accustomed and feel you are due, but no longer have.
Rejection: feeling that you are rejected by members of the new culture and/or you are rejecting members of the new culture.
Confusion: in roles, expectations, values, feelings, and self-identity.
Surprise, anxiety, and indignation: after becoming aware of the many cultural differences that exist between your home and the host cultures.
Feelings of inadequacy: due to fear of not being able to succeed in the new culture.

Honeymoon Phase: As its name suggests, this initial phase is basked in the warm glow of newness and excitement of having moved abroad. Differences are brushed off as “interesting” or “charming”, patience and understanding are at all-time highs. The feeling is similar to being a tourist, as discovery is around every corner. Living Institute advises using the abundance of energy during this phase to get settled, create a support network and establish routines.

Initial Cultural Shock: Shit gets real. Often initiated by relatively minor conflict or problem of some sort, such as issues with your employer or an illness. What would have been no big deal back home, in your new environment is exacerbated. You may be asking yourself for the first time, “What am I doing here?”. Living Institute recommends being careful about taking a trip home in this period, as you may wave the white flag and not bother to return. Instead you should rely on the relationships and routines established in the Honeymoon Phase to help pull you through.

Superficial Adaptation: Assuming you don’t pack it all in and head for comfortable shores, you will enter a phase of “superficial adaptation”. You’ll quickly learn survival skills by mimicking what’s around you, and the basics leave you feeling a bit more confident in your new life.

Culture Shock: Not long after entering the phase above, you begin to realize there’s a striking contrast between the values, priorities, and ideas that you hold and those of your host country. It’s here you can experience full blown culture shock, where you begin to feel everything is just too foreign. Living Institute explains, “you conclude that the people you live with are either barbarians, or maybe just plain evil/immoral/inhuman, or simply just dead wrong on essential issues of life, work, faith, or social approach.” This is a difficult phase to navigate, and it’s common to turn inwards and isolate yourself from it all. The best thing to do is force yourself into contact with your location and its people, which will eventually lead you out of culture shock and into the next phase.

Integration: Once you push past the culture shock phase, you gain a greater respect and understanding of the place you live and the people who live there. You “realize you don’t have to become like them, you just need to understand why their world makes sense to them.” Language/cultural skills and locale know-how, along with a well-established support network, have you moving comfortably around your new life abroad. Until…

Re-Entry: Also known as reverse culture shock, this happens when you eventually leave your expat life and return to your home country. It likely hasn’t changed very much, but you have. If you don’t prepare for this differential, you may start to feel that “you don’t fit into the one place in the world where you thought you belonged.”

I'm just going to quote myself here as some of you seem to have zero idea of how this can go down. It doesn't happen often but families can go on an expatriate assignment and just completely fail to assimilate, expecting life to be similar to back home but with bells and whistles on.

It's usually the spouse (sometimes children) that can't take the new surroundings, the working spouse is fully occupied with work and the family is left alone (bar other families in the same position). I would put big money on it being Hendo's family that are insisting returning to Europe and being within easy commuting distance of Blighty.

Hence why he's willing to give up the reason he went there, money. He's putting family before money - likely because his wife gave him an ultimatum.
 
I'm just going to quote myself here as some of you seem to have zero idea of how this can go down. It doesn't happen often but families can go on an expatriate assignment and just completely fail to assimilate, expecting life to be similar to back home but with bells and whistles on.

It's usually the spouse (sometimes children) that can't take the new surroundings, the working spouse is fully occupied with work and the family is left alone (bar other families in the same position). I would put big money on it being Hendo's family that are insisting returning to Europe and being within easy commuting distance of Blighty.

Hence why he's willing to give up the reason he went there, money. He's putting family before money - likely because his wife gave him an ultimatum.
You mean like the Simpsons episode where Homer moves to another town to work for Hank Scorpio? Homer loves it there but his family can't stand the place.

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Fail to assimilate is an odd way of putting it.

There is zero chance that the situation they were put into had any intention of assimilating at all. Assimilating into a culture is a multigenerational process that requires native speech.

We're talking about being posted up most likely in an expat community in a wildly different place for a few years, and it all happening quite abruptly, and the place that necessitated it has zero clue what it is doing, and there aren't other established people that are footballers that are English speaking to show them the ropes.

They just fucking hated it, which is a pretty likely outcome because it's not a great situation.
 
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I think you are using assimilating in a very strong sense of the word. Maybe Froggy used assimilating to mean just settling down and living their life.

It can be tricky for someone from Asia to settle down in Western cultures. It took me a couple of years to find my feet, and that only happened because I found great friends after 1.5 years. Several people came along with me but couldn't settle down and moved back. Know an acquaintance from India who couldn't settle down in Abu Dhabi, England, but now is very happy in Kenya.

I am betting it is the same in reverse. Have heard of Westerners who come to India and love it and those who cannot handle it. It is a deeply personal experience.

Of course, having the sort of money and access to expat communities which footballers have definitely helps, but there is no guarantee.
 
Fail to assimilate is an odd way of putting it.

There is zero chance that the situation they were put into had any intention of assimilating at all. Assimilating into a culture is a multigenerational process that requires native speech.

We're talking about being posted up most likely in an expat community in a wildly different place for a few years, and it all happening quite abruptly, and the place that necessitated it has zero clue what it is doing, and there aren't other established people that are footballers that are English speaking to show them the ropes.

They just fucking hated it, which is a pretty likely outcome because it's not a great situation.
Assimilate isn't at all an odd way of putting it (refer to the thesaurus definition below). It's the way MNCs and HR depts refer to it in the business. You may not agree with the term (as far as expats are concerned it most certainly doesn't require native speech - though that helps immensely of course for obvious reasons - and absolutely is not multigenerational) but it is what it is and it very accurately applies to the situation expatriates find themselves in.

The rest of your post is exactly what likely happened.

Assimilate verb : absorb, take in, acquire, pick up, grasp, comprehend, understand, learn, master; digest, ingest, imbibe, drink in, soak in; informal get the hang of, get.
 
I think you are using assimilating in a very strong sense of the word. Maybe Froggy used assimilating to mean just settling down and living their life.

It can be tricky for someone from Asia to settle down in Western cultures. It took me a couple of years to find my feet, and that only happened because I found great friends after 1.5 years. Several people came along with me but couldn't settle down and moved back. Know an acquaintance from India who couldn't settle down in Abu Dhabi, England, but now is very happy in Kenya.

I am betting it is the same in reverse. Have heard of Westerners who come to India and love it and those who cannot handle it. It is a deeply personal experience.

Of course, having the sort of money and access to expat communities which footballers have definitely helps, but there is no guarantee.
Farky seems to believe the process is something akin to The Borg.
 
Farky seems to believe the process is something akin to The Borg.

I would have thought “Resistance is Futile” could practically appear on the Saudi Flag - along with a picture of a bone saw.
 
Assimilate isn't at all an odd way of putting it (refer to the thesaurus definition below). It's the way MNCs and HR depts refer to it in the business. You may not agree with the term (as far as expats are concerned it most certainly doesn't require native speech - though that helps immensely of course for obvious reasons - and absolutely is not multigenerational) but it is what it is and it very accurately applies to the situation expatriates find themselves in.

The rest of your post is exactly what likely happened.

Assimilate verb : absorb, take in, acquire, pick up, grasp, comprehend, understand, learn, master; digest, ingest, imbibe, drink in, soak in; informal get the hang of, get.

It is an odd way of putting it. I'd love to hear how Henderson and his family were pitched on how things would be, but I guarantee it was on the lines of "we have this English speaking school, look, we have these fancy shops whose names you know, look, we've got these other people who speak the language, did you know x company is here? Here, meet this other family who look like you and are English."

Even if they had become comfortable for the years they were there, none of that necessarily involves any significant amount of assimilation at all. Anyhow, now we are arguing what a word means which is particularly dull.

You see it as an industry term and your standards are fashioned to your purposes. To me it's not an industry term, it's a sociological phenomenon. Within that general phenomenon yours is a highly specific, highly mediated edge case.

Usually a first generation immigrant doesn't assimilate. I've seen this in my own life, with two very related cultures. My dad was in the USA for over 2 decades. He was well capable of understanding how everything worked here and doing what he needed to do. He was integrated into the community, but he never really assimilated at all, and he isn't here anymore.

I know dozens of first generation central Americans who have come to the USA. My wife runs a language exchange locally and our kids are friends as they go to the same school. Their kids assimilate, the first generation, who are lovely people don't have time or energy to assimilate. They make do and work harder than anyone else you'll find. They make communities that are subcultures. They dont understand how things work, and struggle hugely due to the language barrier. The bilingual kids are the bridge generation. After that bridge generation most kids are not bilingual.

It is like the Borg, in a way. See the state of any little Italy in America nowadays, but hurry up because there are fewer every year.
 
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It is an odd way of putting it. I'd love to hear how Henderson and his family were pitched on how things would be, but I guarantee it was on the lines of "we have this English speaking school, look, we have these fancy shops whose names you know, look, we've got these other people who speak the language, did you know x company is here? Here, meet this other family who look like you and are English."

Even if they had become comfortable for the years they were there, none of that necessarily involves any significant amount of assimilation at all. Anyhow, now we are arguing what a word means which is particularly dull.

You see it as an industry term and your standards are fashioned to your purposes. To me it's not an industry term, it's a sociological phenomenon. Within that general phenomenon yours is a highly specific, highly mediated edge case.

Usually a first generation immigrant doesn't assimilate. I've seen this in my own life, with two very related cultures. My dad was in the USA for over 2 decades. He was well capable of understanding how everything worked here and doing what he needed to do. He was integrated into the community, but he never really assimilated at all, and he isn't here anymore.

I know dozens of first generation central Americans who have come to the USA. My wife runs a language exchange locally and our kids are friends as they go to the same school. Their kids assimilate, the first generation, who are lovely people don't have time or energy to assimilate. They make do and work harder than anyone else you'll find. They make communities that are subcultures. They dont understand how things work, and struggle hugely due to the language barrier. The bilingual kids are the bridge generation. After that bridge generation most kids are not bilingual.

It is like the Borg, in a way. See the state of any little Italy in America nowadays, but hurry up because there are fewer every year.
It isn't odd - it just conforms to the dictionary definition (Assimilate verb : absorb, take in, acquire, pick up, grasp, comprehend, understand, learn, ; informal get the hang of, get.) whereas you have a rather more extreme interpretation of the word.

Actually your first paragraph is pretty much how expats are sold on the remote destination. Understandably most exapts with families want to know that their lives and their children's lives will have a degree of 'normality' as they understand it. It's unfair to describe it in such disparaging terms though, you'd likely be amongst the first on here to sympathise with someone with mental health issues and integrating a family of 3, 4 or 5 is far more difficult than arriving solo or as a couple and mental health very important to the longevity of their stay (and therefore corporate financial viability) and productivity.

And, whilst I genuinely found your description of immigrant integration into the USA interesting, they are obviously not short term expatriates on assignment, e.g Hendo.
As for 'seeing it in your own life', well I'm an example of the other side of that coin, having spent near on 30 years in China (HK and China) and I'd say I'm very well 'assimilated' !
 
It isn't odd - it just conforms to the dictionary definition (Assimilate verb : absorb, take in, acquire, pick up, grasp, comprehend, understand, learn, ; informal get the hang of, get.) whereas you have a rather more extreme interpretation of the word.

Actually your first paragraph is pretty much how expats are sold on the remote destination. Understandably most exapts with families want to know that their lives and their children's lives will have a degree of 'normality' as they understand it. It's unfair to describe it in such disparaging terms though, you'd likely be amongst the first on here to sympathise with someone with mental health issues and integrating a family of 3, 4 or 5 is far more difficult than arriving solo or as a couple and mental health very important to the longevity of their stay (and therefore corporate financial viability) and productivity.

And, whilst I genuinely found your description of immigrant integration into the USA interesting, they are obviously not short term expatriates on assignment, e.g Hendo.
As for 'seeing it in your own life', well I'm an example of the other side of that coin, having spent near on 30 years in China (HK and China) and I'd say I'm very well 'assimilated' !
The definition you quoted ranged from grasp to mastery. For me, that's fine, but not very descriptive. That entire range is the process of assimilation, ending at assimilated, which yes, is extreme, but no more extreme than the descriptor of any process, hence why we specify that something is half baked, because even if it's baked it isn't really baked (I'm not baked).

Again, the discussion of the word is boring, but for me being assimilated isn't the same as being settled or comfortable or whatever else. Being assimilated means you are now of your new place and not orbiting some other perceived homeland in your brain. Again, I'm not valuing that, it can be an incredibly traumatic process that alienates you and erases your past, but humans have been doing it forever, and bitching about immigrants too, with no cognitive dissonance.

Maintaining "normality as you understand it," for me is not part of assimilation, and I'm not making a value judgment on that. That's why I find it odd to say Henderson didn't assimilate. He wasn't attempting to, on any level. He wasn't directed to. In fact he was directed not to. He was just going to a new country and staying at the resort. There you will get value judgment from me, what a shit way to travel.

It's fucking hard, or impossible to assimilate into various cultures, but seeking normalcy isn't going to do it, it's a great survival strategy. Kids don't know the old normal as well and that is why they assimilate so quickly relative to the their parents.

It's why if you want to do a study abroad, you don't have out with the people you went with. Not if you want to learn the language or the culture, and yes of course you need the language. Not if you want to give your mind a big expansive deep dicking.
 
The definition you quoted ranged from grasp to mastery. For me, that's fine, but not very descriptive. That entire range is the process of assimilation, ending at assimilated, which yes, is extreme, but no more extreme than the descriptor of any process, hence why we specify that something is half baked, because even if it's baked it isn't really baked (I'm not baked).

Again, the discussion of the word is boring, but for me being assimilated isn't the same as being settled or comfortable or whatever else. Being assimilated means you are now of your new place and not orbiting some other perceived homeland in your brain. Again, I'm not valuing that, it can be an incredibly traumatic process that alienates you and erases your past, but humans have been doing it forever, and bitching about immigrants too, with no cognitive dissonance.

Maintaining "normality as you understand it," for me is not part of assimilation, and I'm not making a value judgment on that. That's why I find it odd to say Henderson didn't assimilate. He wasn't attempting to, on any level. He wasn't directed to. In fact he was directed not to. He was just going to a new country and staying at the resort. There you will get value judgment from me, what a shit way to travel.

It's fucking hard, or impossible to assimilate into various cultures, but seeking normalcy isn't going to do it, it's a great survival strategy. Kids don't know the old normal as well and that is why they assimilate so quickly relative to the their parents.

It's why if you want to do a study abroad, you don't have out with the people you went with. Not if you want to learn the language or the culture, and yes of course you need the language. Not if you want to give your mind a big expansive deep dicking.
I don't believe a long debate on the interpretation / definition of the word 'assimilate' is of interest to anyone else except us so it's probably best to call a halt to the discussion !

Suffice to say it's one of the words/ descriptors used by MNCs and their HR depts when discussing expatriates and that, in those terms, relates to Hendo and his family's (ex) situation.
 
Hendo's debut, watched by Southgate...



I'm just gonna go ahead and say it...
I really don't miss him. Our new boys are so much better.
 
Hendo's debut, watched by Southgate...



I'm just gonna go ahead and say it...
I really don't miss him. Our new boys are so much better.

‘10/10’ debut…does he get a point for every 5 yard sideways pass?
 
Two attacking passes, one tackle and a lot of crab passing

10/10 you are having a laff
 
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