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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=37417.msg998260#msg998260 date=1259116696]
95% of this site, basically everyone bar you, Glock and Rage, regard him as a decent poster.


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Wow, your maths is good. Also usually he is (well usually alright unless he starts with the RCDNW shite), but here he's talking out his arse.
 
i like rafa4pm regardless of what squiggy might say.

i actually think its progress him even considering our next manager
 
Watching highlights of the 'great' Mourinho's Inter last night wasn't exactly making me jump in glee. More like crouching in despair really.

They were terrible and outplayed by a decimated barca-team. Oh and he's a bellend too.

DO. NOT. WANT. HIM.

Hiddink.

Well. He seems to thrive the most when he's managing underdogs like South Korea or an unknown Russian team on the up. He hasn't exactly proved himself to be a winner at a top club hasn't he? Or when expections has been high?

If we were to say our goodbyes to Rafa in the Summer I'd go for someone less known but with great potentials. Just like Barca did with Guardiola really.

Michael Laudrup would be a cheeky but very interesting bet. He's all about playing wonderful football and he's a winner. And a true gentleman-manager that would be able to attract the best talents around.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=37417.msg998102#msg998102 date=1259104671]
Pat Rice

He's not only a coach but Step 6 in my ricecakes recipe.
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Thats brilliant :laugh:

As for the Guus and Jose argument, why argue? I would be ecstatic if either one of them came in to replace Rafa if he should go.

Seriously doubt it would happen though.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=37417.msg998340#msg998340 date=1259140447]
i like rafa4pm regardless of what squiggy might say.

i actually think its progress him even considering our next manager
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Ha, well you can understand my assumption. If even you like him it validates my selection of Rafa4PM for 'most improved poster'.
 
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37417.msg998342#msg998342 date=1259141244]
Watching highlights of the 'great' Mourinho's Inter last night wasn't exactly making me jump in glee. More like crouching in despair really.

They were terrible and outplayed by a decimated barca-team. Oh and he's a bellend too.

DO. NOT. WANT. HIM.

Hiddink.

Well. He seems to thrive the most when he's managing underdogs like South Korea or an unknown Russian team on the up. He hasn't exactly proved himself to be a winner at a top club hasn't he? Or when expections has been high?

If we were to say our goodbyes to Rafa in the Summer I'd go for someone less known but with great potentials. Just like Barca did with Guardiola really.

Michael Laudrup would be a cheeky but very interesting bet. He's all about playing wonderful football and he's a winner. And a true gentleman-manager that would be able to attract the best talents around.
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You don't want Hiddink because (despite his record with PSV and in those few months at Chelsea) you think he "hasn't exactly proved himself to be a winner at a top club", yet you DO want "someone less known but with great 'potentials' ", specifically (big surprise, this) Michael Laudrup?
 
Just like Barca did with Guardiola really.

Michael Laudrup would be a cheeky but very interesting bet. He's all about playing wonderful football and he's a winner. And a true gentleman-manager that would be able to attract the best talents around.

An you wonder why people think you're a joke.
Laudrup?

How would appointing Laudrup in ANY FUCKING WAY BE "JUST LIKE" BARCA APPOINTING GUARDIOLA?

Pep played there for a decade and joined as a kid. He's a Catalan. Coached the ressies, I think. Part of the fucking Barcelona furniture

And from this you managed to pluck "Michael Laudrup" whose only connection with Liverpool is an aborted transfer about 10 years ago.

So really, your criteria should really be "any young manager who used to be a great player" and because you're a laughably biased divvy, you naturally go for a Danish one.
 
I haven't read all the thread but for fucks sake, Guus Hiddink. I want to know where he gets this superstar manager rep from. Guss Hiddinks career got me thinking why ye would love him at liverpool. He's never won a major league in his career. The man is 63 so how long do you get out of him. He went to madrid and was sacked in less than a year, he then went to betis and again 6 months later he was sacked. Then oh but he won the FA cup with chelsea, Its not the most difficult comp to win to be fair Harry Redknapp won it with Portsmouth. And all this shite about turning Chelsea around it wasn't like they where floundering in 12th position they where 4th and finshed 3rd. Massive turn around.

His international record what international record he has won fuck all again, oh but South Korea got to the semis of the world cup. Guus had the the Korean league closed down the season before so he could train and prepare the players for a full 12 months. So i think he had a slight head start against most.

I'm sorry but i don't want a manager that has won one major trophy in his entire career which spans 22 years. oh ok we can call the fa cup a major trophy make that 2 then.

Guus Hiddink is nice loser but has proven over his career that he can't take the step to the next level.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37417.msg998463#msg998463 date=1259150716]
Just like Barca did with Guardiola really.

Michael Laudrup would be a cheeky but very interesting bet. He's all about playing wonderful football and he's a winner. And a true gentleman-manager that would be able to attract the best talents around.

An you wonder why people think you're a joke.
Laudrup?

How would appointing Laudrup in ANY FUCKING WAY BE "JUST LIKE" BARCA APPOINTING GUARDIOLA?

Pep played there for a decade and joined as a kid. He's a Catalan. Coached the ressies, I think. Part of the fucking Barcelona furniture

And from this you managed to pluck "Michael Laudrup" whose only connection with Liverpool is an aborted transfer about 10 years ago.

So really, your criteria should really be "any young manager who used to be a great player" and because you're a laughably biased divvy, you naturally go for a Danish one.

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I wasn't aware that I'm seen upon as a joke on here. That's not flattering to be honest.

And I'm not that funny even. Not like you anyways.

Well, anyways, Your blatant lack of knowledge on Laudrup's stature in Barcelona is probably understandable. It doesn't make you look less stupidiot though.

Listen carefully; he's one of few firm favourites to be crowned the next manager of either Real Madrid or Barca (depending on whos manager is going to be sacked first) and he's one of the only players ever in Spain who've managed to make the risky swap between the two major clubs without beeing crusified for the rest of his career. Everyone in Barcelona loves him and he's very much part of their 'furniture' down there if you like. A chaiselong even.

This Cruyff-chap was singing his praises yesterday - as a person and a manager - and tipped hiw for greatness and hoped he'd get to manage Barcelona one day, beacuse he in his words; Knows everything there is to know about the club, how to play wonderful football and how to win.

But wait a minute, fuck me, there is this Brendan chap on the Internet, he says it's stupid and he's crap and he must be in the know. He has got INTERNET ACCESS after all.

He was one of the greatest players ever and he's showed signs of a great managerial talents as well. I'd get someone along those lines. A young, talented manager, who was a great player himself instead of an ageing one who still hasn't proved anything at highest level.

Who'd you chose aside from your inflatable love-sheep Mourinho?
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37417.msg998463#msg998463 date=1259150716]
Just like Barca did with Guardiola really.

Michael Laudrup would be a cheeky but very interesting bet. He's all about playing wonderful football and he's a winner. And a true gentleman-manager that would be able to attract the best talents around.

An you wonder why people think you're a joke.
Laudrup?

How would appointing Laudrup in ANY FUCKING WAY BE "JUST LIKE" BARCA APPOINTING GUARDIOLA?

Pep played there for a decade and joined as a kid. He's a Catalan. Coached the ressies, I think. Part of the fucking Barcelona furniture

And from this you managed to pluck "Michael Laudrup" whose only connection with Liverpool is an aborted transfer about 10 years ago.

So really, your criteria should really be "any young manager who used to be a great player" and because you're a laughably biased divvy, you naturally go for a Danish one.

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I wasn't aware that I'm seen upon as a joke on here. That's not flattering to be honest.

And I'm not that funny even. Not like you anyways.

Well, anyways, Your blatant lack of knowledge on Laudrup's stature in Barcelona is probably understandable. It doesn't make you look less stupidiot though.

Listen carefully; he's one of few firm favourite to be crowned the next manager of either Real Madrid or Barca (depending on whos manager is going to be sacked first) and he's one of the only players ever in Spain who've managed to make the risky swap between the two major clubs without beeing crusified for the rest of his career. Everyone in Barcelona loves him and he's very much part of their 'furniture' down there if you like. A chaiselong even.

This Cruyff-chap was singing his praises yesterday - as a person and a manager - and tipped hiw for greatness and hoped he'd get to manage Barcelona one day, beacuse he in his words; Knows everything there is to know about the club, how to play wonderful football and how to win.

But wait a minute, fuck me, there is this Brendan chap on the Internet, he says it's stupid and he's crap and he must be in the know. He has got INTERNET ACCESS after all.

He was one of the greatest players ever and he's showed signs of a great managerial talents as well. I'd get someone along those lines. A young, talented manager, who was a great player himself instead of an ageing one who still hasn't proved anything at highest level.

Who'd you chose aside from your inflatable love-sheep Mourinho?
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I was talking about you claiming that we should look at Laudrup for Liverpool manager, and now you're quacking on about his suitability to be either Madrid or Barca's next manager
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37417.msg998476#msg998476 date=1259152410]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37417.msg998471#msg998471 date=1259152153]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37417.msg998463#msg998463 date=1259150716]
Just like Barca did with Guardiola really.

Michael Laudrup would be a cheeky but very interesting bet. He's all about playing wonderful football and he's a winner. And a true gentleman-manager that would be able to attract the best talents around.

An you wonder why people think you're a joke.
Laudrup?

How would appointing Laudrup in ANY FUCKING WAY BE "JUST LIKE" BARCA APPOINTING GUARDIOLA?

Pep played there for a decade and joined as a kid. He's a Catalan. Coached the ressies, I think. Part of the fucking Barcelona furniture

And from this you managed to pluck "Michael Laudrup" whose only connection with Liverpool is an aborted transfer about 10 years ago.

So really, your criteria should really be "any young manager who used to be a great player" and because you're a laughably biased divvy, you naturally go for a Danish one.

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I wasn't aware that I'm seen upon as a joke on here. That's not flattering to be honest.

And I'm not that funny even. Not like you anyways.

Well, anyways, Your blatant lack of knowledge on Laudrup's stature in Barcelona is probably understandable. It doesn't make you look less stupidiot though.

Listen carefully; he's one of few firm favourite to be crowned the next manager of either Real Madrid or Barca (depending on whos manager is going to be sacked first) and he's one of the only players ever in Spain who've managed to make the risky swap between the two major clubs without beeing crusified for the rest of his career. Everyone in Barcelona loves him and he's very much part of their 'furniture' down there if you like. A chaiselong even.

This Cruyff-chap was singing his praises yesterday - as a person and a manager - and tipped hiw for greatness and hoped he'd get to manage Barcelona one day, beacuse he in his words; Knows everything there is to know about the club, how to play wonderful football and how to win.

But wait a minute, fuck me, there is this Brendan chap on the Internet, he says it's stupid and he's crap and he must be in the know. He has got INTERNET ACCESS after all.

He was one of the greatest players ever and he's showed signs of a great managerial talents as well. I'd get someone along those lines. A young, talented manager, who was a great player himself instead of an ageing one who still hasn't proved anything at highest level.

Who'd you chose aside from your inflatable love-sheep Mourinho?
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I was talking about you claiming that we should look at Laudrup for Liverpool manager, and now you're quacking on about his suitability to be either Madrid or Barca's next manager
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Oh, I thought you compared Laudrup's stature to Guardiolas in Barcelona. My bad.

Anyways how is suggesting a young, talented manager that according to several former top managers would be suited for major clubs such as Barcelona and Real, making me look like a joke?

That said I hope Rafa stays.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37417.msg998476#msg998476 date=1259152410]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37417.msg998471#msg998471 date=1259152153]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37417.msg998463#msg998463 date=1259150716]
Just like Barca did with Guardiola really.

Michael Laudrup would be a cheeky but very interesting bet. He's all about playing wonderful football and he's a winner. And a true gentleman-manager that would be able to attract the best talents around.

An you wonder why people think you're a joke.
Laudrup?

How would appointing Laudrup in ANY FUCKING WAY BE "JUST LIKE" BARCA APPOINTING GUARDIOLA?

Pep played there for a decade and joined as a kid. He's a Catalan. Coached the ressies, I think. Part of the fucking Barcelona furniture

And from this you managed to pluck "Michael Laudrup" whose only connection with Liverpool is an aborted transfer about 10 years ago.

So really, your criteria should really be "any young manager who used to be a great player" and because you're a laughably biased divvy, you naturally go for a Danish one.

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I wasn't aware that I'm seen upon as a joke on here. That's not flattering to be honest.

And I'm not that funny even. Not like you anyways.

Well, anyways, Your blatant lack of knowledge on Laudrup's stature in Barcelona is probably understandable. It doesn't make you look less stupidiot though.

Listen carefully; he's one of few firm favourite to be crowned the next manager of either Real Madrid or Barca (depending on whos manager is going to be sacked first) and he's one of the only players ever in Spain who've managed to make the risky swap between the two major clubs without beeing crusified for the rest of his career. Everyone in Barcelona loves him and he's very much part of their 'furniture' down there if you like. A chaiselong even.

This Cruyff-chap was singing his praises yesterday - as a person and a manager - and tipped hiw for greatness and hoped he'd get to manage Barcelona one day, beacuse he in his words; Knows everything there is to know about the club, how to play wonderful football and how to win.

But wait a minute, fuck me, there is this Brendan chap on the Internet, he says it's stupid and he's crap and he must be in the know. He has got INTERNET ACCESS after all.

He was one of the greatest players ever and he's showed signs of a great managerial talents as well. I'd get someone along those lines. A young, talented manager, who was a great player himself instead of an ageing one who still hasn't proved anything at highest level.

Who'd you chose aside from your inflatable love-sheep Mourinho?
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I was talking about you claiming that we should look at Laudrup for Liverpool manager, and now you're quacking on about his suitability to be either Madrid or Barca's next manager
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Oh, I thought you compared Laudrup's stature to Guardiolas in Barcelona. My bad.

Anyways how is suggesting a young, talented manager that according to several former top managers would be suited for major clubs such as Barcelona and Real, making me look like a joke?

That said I hope Rafa stays.
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Because it seemed as if you were comparing "Laudrup as Liverpool manager" as a similar "risk" or situation as "Guardiola as Barca manager"
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37417.msg998490#msg998490 date=1259153128]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37417.msg998481#msg998481 date=1259152820]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37417.msg998476#msg998476 date=1259152410]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37417.msg998471#msg998471 date=1259152153]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37417.msg998463#msg998463 date=1259150716]
Just like Barca did with Guardiola really.

Michael Laudrup would be a cheeky but very interesting bet. He's all about playing wonderful football and he's a winner. And a true gentleman-manager that would be able to attract the best talents around.

An you wonder why people think you're a joke.
Laudrup?

How would appointing Laudrup in ANY FUCKING WAY BE "JUST LIKE" BARCA APPOINTING GUARDIOLA?

Pep played there for a decade and joined as a kid. He's a Catalan. Coached the ressies, I think. Part of the fucking Barcelona furniture

And from this you managed to pluck "Michael Laudrup" whose only connection with Liverpool is an aborted transfer about 10 years ago.

So really, your criteria should really be "any young manager who used to be a great player" and because you're a laughably biased divvy, you naturally go for a Danish one.

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I wasn't aware that I'm seen upon as a joke on here. That's not flattering to be honest.

And I'm not that funny even. Not like you anyways.

Well, anyways, Your blatant lack of knowledge on Laudrup's stature in Barcelona is probably understandable. It doesn't make you look less stupidiot though.

Listen carefully; he's one of few firm favourite to be crowned the next manager of either Real Madrid or Barca (depending on whos manager is going to be sacked first) and he's one of the only players ever in Spain who've managed to make the risky swap between the two major clubs without beeing crusified for the rest of his career. Everyone in Barcelona loves him and he's very much part of their 'furniture' down there if you like. A chaiselong even.

This Cruyff-chap was singing his praises yesterday - as a person and a manager - and tipped hiw for greatness and hoped he'd get to manage Barcelona one day, beacuse he in his words; Knows everything there is to know about the club, how to play wonderful football and how to win.

But wait a minute, fuck me, there is this Brendan chap on the Internet, he says it's stupid and he's crap and he must be in the know. He has got INTERNET ACCESS after all.

He was one of the greatest players ever and he's showed signs of a great managerial talents as well. I'd get someone along those lines. A young, talented manager, who was a great player himself instead of an ageing one who still hasn't proved anything at highest level.

Who'd you chose aside from your inflatable love-sheep Mourinho?
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I was talking about you claiming that we should look at Laudrup for Liverpool manager, and now you're quacking on about his suitability to be either Madrid or Barca's next manager
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Oh, I thought you compared Laudrup's stature to Guardiolas in Barcelona. My bad.

Anyways how is suggesting a young, talented manager that according to several former top managers would be suited for major clubs such as Barcelona and Real, making me look like a joke?

That said I hope Rafa stays.
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Because it seemed as if you were comparing "Laudrup as Liverpool manager" as a similar "risk" or situation as "Guardiola as Barca manager"
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You've got a valid point is terms of one knowing the club inside out whereas the other obviously wouldn't - in this case Laudrup. Seen in that light I can see why my argument seemed daft.

Dammit.

What I meant; In terms of not beeing proved at highest level they are quite similar. Apart from managing Barca B as you said Pep Guardiola had no managerial experience whatsoever. Hence he seemed a risk even despite beeing familiar with the club.

Laudrup has managed Brondby, Getafe and Spartac Moscow (the last one without any luck mind) so at least he's familiar with the job. He has just recently turned down a job offer from Atletico Madrid which evidently sparked rumours that he's going to Real or Barca soon.

Anyways my initial point in this thread was that if we were to ship Rafa come Summer I'd go for someone younger, talented and eager to prove his worth. Plant King Kenny and Sammy Lee by manager 'X's side and then see what happens. Hopefully the Youth Academy etc would be able to continue to run as it does now without degrading to much.

It would be a risk but one I'd be hoping the club would take should it come to this. Mainly because of the lack of great options. (I don't want Mourinho within 10 miles of Anfield and I'm not that impressed by Hiddink either).
 
While I can kinda see the point regarding a younger manager with a more experienced person to advise I can't think of many options. Obviously when King Kenny was given the job this was the arrangement to a degree and it worked out very well for a time, but not only are the situations quite different there is also noone obvious.

I don't think Laudrup has done anything very impressive in his management career so far has he? And given that he has already had 3 managerial jobs does he really count as a young manager who is still willing to learn?
 
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=37417.msg998260#msg998260 date=1259116696]
95% of this site, basically everyone bar you, Glock and Rage, regard him as a decent poster.


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Wow, your maths is good. Also usually he is (well usually alright unless he starts with the RCDNW shite), but here he's talking out his arse.
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I really don't get why you cant accept that at 63 years of age, it's a fair point to make that he's too old? Personally "if" we are to need a new manager, then i'd like someone who is young enough to build something and be with us for a long time. At 63 even if he carried on until he matched the age of the current oldest manager in the world, it would still only be a few years. I also wonder if his choice to manage national teams in recent years, is partly to do with the fact that he wants to take it a little easier now thats he's getting on a bit.

I pointed out that i don't think he's good enough, well he's been a manager for 27 years and his whats he won in that time? A few dutch titles, 1 European cup (21 years ago), and a 1 FA cup. That record hardly suggests that he's a great manager imo.

Yet you'd take Guus over Mourinho (46), even though Jose has matched his trophy haul in around a 1/3 of the time.

So how am i speaking out of my arse?
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=37417.msg998514#msg998514 date=1259155200]
While I can kinda see the point regarding a younger manager with a more experienced person to advise I can't think of many options. Obviously when King Kenny was given the job this was the arrangement to a degree and it worked out very well for a time, but not only are the situations quite different there is also noone obvious.

I don't think Laudrup has done anything very impressive in his management career so far has he? And given that he has already had 3 managerial jobs does he really count as a young manager who is still willing to learn?
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He won the Danish title with Brondby (which at the time wasn't that difficult I reckon) in his first job and did very well at Getafe bringing them to the Copa del Rey final and quarterfinals against Bayern Munich in the UEFA Cup.

The Russian climate didn't suit him at all and now it's seems he's waiting for the right offer.

Maybe it's a bad suggestion after all I just don't know that many other upcoming managers though. At least not someone I reckon could make it on the biggest stages.
 
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[quote author=Fallon link=topic=37417.msg998270#msg998270 date=1259120737]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=37417.msg998260#msg998260 date=1259116696]
95% of this site, basically everyone bar you, Glock and Rage, regard him as a decent poster.


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Wow, your maths is good. Also usually he is (well usually alright unless he starts with the RCDNW shite), but here he's talking out his arse.
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I really don't get why you cant accept that at 63 years of age, it's a fair point to make that he's too old? Personally "if" we are to need a new manager, then i'd like someone who is young enough to build something and be with us for a long time. At 63 even if he carried on until he matched the age of the current oldest manager in the world, it would still only be a few years. I also wonder if his choice to manage national teams in recent years, is partly to do with the fact that he wants to take it a little easier now thats he's getting on a bit.

I pointed out that i don't think he's good enough, well he's been a manager for 27 years and his whats he won in that time? A few dutch titles, 1 European cup (21 years ago), and a 1 FA cup. That record hardly suggests that he's a great manager imo.

Yet you'd take Guus over Mourinho (46), even though Jose has matched his trophy haul in around a 1/3 of the time.

So how am i speaking out of my arse?

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And how many major leauge Titles has Mourinho won??? The press are deluded the way they harp on about Guus and i believe many peoples opinions are formed on that. I think Mourinho's record shits all over Hiddinks. And there are probably alot more managers out there who dont get this praise who are alot better.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=37417.msg998340#msg998340 date=1259140447]
i like rafa4pm regardless of what squiggy might say.

i actually think its progress him even considering our next manager
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I would consider it at the end of the season Rage if we don't get into the top 4. Even in those circumstances though it would have to be for a proven top class Manager, and the numbers are very limited on that front imo.
 
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[quote author=Fallon link=topic=37417.msg998270#msg998270 date=1259120737]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=37417.msg998260#msg998260 date=1259116696]
95% of this site, basically everyone bar you, Glock and Rage, regard him as a decent poster.


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Wow, your maths is good. Also usually he is (well usually alright unless he starts with the RCDNW shite), but here he's talking out his arse.
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I really don't get why you cant accept that at 63 years of age, it's a fair point to make that he's too old? Personally "if" we are to need a new manager, then i'd like someone who is young enough to build something and be with us for a long time. At 63 even if he carried on until he matched the age of the current oldest manager in the world, it would still only be a few years. I also wonder if his choice to manage national teams in recent years, is partly to do with the fact that he wants to take it a little easier now thats he's getting on a bit.

I pointed out that i don't think he's good enough, well he's been a manager for 27 years and his whats he won in that time? A few dutch titles, 1 European cup (21 years ago), and a 1 FA cup. That record hardly suggests that he's a great manager imo.

Yet you'd take Guus over Mourinho (46), even though Jose has matched his trophy haul in around a 1/3 of the time.

So how am i speaking out of my arse?

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And how many major leauge Titles has Mourinho won??? The press are deluded the way they harp on about Guus and i believe many peoples opinions are formed on that.
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Without a doubt mate.

Certain people buy into the hype, rather than looking at the facts.
 
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