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rurikbird

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I wonder if Pep's recent treatment of Aguero lends some credence to Zlatan's claims that he is someone who is afraid of being challenged by big personalities and wants to work with "schoolboys" rather than treat his players like adults. The body of evidence is growing: in addition to the bitter falling-out with Zlatan, Pep forced out Yaya Toure from Barca (and now has him firmly in a "doghouse" in Man City) and when he took charge of Bayern he initially tried to marginalize their star striker – Robert Lewandowski. He kept leaving him on the bench in favor of the various shades of "false 9" set-ups which soon led to the speculation that Lewandowski will leave Bayern next summer. Only in his 2nd season in charge, particularly after that game when Lewandowski scored 5 goals in 9 minutes, Guardiola accepted that he is someone worth building the team around.

Fast forward to Man City and once again, unquestionably the best striker in the league finds himself on the bench, while Guardiola is trying to flood the pitch with midfielders in as many positions as possible. Even when Aguero does play, he doesn't look himself in recent weeks – the days of the team playing to his strengths are gone, now he's just a cog in the machine. When you look at the likes of Sterling, De Bruyne, Stones, Sane, Iheanacho (and Zinchenko, Gabriel Jesus who will arrive in January, etc), you kind of start to understand what Zlatan meant by "school," where the only role Guardiola is comfortable with is that of the ultimate authority, the professor among the kids.

Now it would not be entirely fair to reduce all of Guardiola's coaching career to this simplistic narrative. There certainly were plenty of big personalities and experienced star players he did not clash with or undermine – Xavi at Barcelona, Xabi Alonso at Bayern, Fernandinho at Man City. However even there one could see a pattern of trusting players who are similar to Guardiola in his playing days. As an expression goes, our weaknesses are a continuation of our strengths. Guardiola has the clearest, the most "pure" vision and tactical philosophy of any high-profile manager today – but this also means he is less willing to compromise his vision with reality when one clashes with the other. Man City looked invincible in the first 10 games of the season, perhaps because they did not fully absorb Guardiola's ideas yet, so it was a nice balance between the old and the new. Now Guardiola is pushing his ideas further and deeper and if that means destroying what was good about Man City in the seasons past, so be it – it's his team and he wants to win only on his terms.
 
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His body language seems chaotic and confused. Every time he comes out to speak, you'd swear he'd just done a couple of lines in the back. Something is definitely wrong with him. I would guess that in Spanish and German he could pretend to be calm and use words to lie/spin the bad situations into some ridiculous positive or a part of his plan all along. However, his English may not be good enough yet, so his feelings of panic and worry are manifesting in his body language.
 
I think Robben would have been another big personality at Bayern that was well managed by Pepe.

I think Zlatan is a Nob who doesn't do well with authority unless he's all bromanced by someone (Jose)

That aside, is it not that there can only be one big dog with a big manager. A good manager has control of the dressing room, and elimainates/sidelines the trouble makers who don't follow the edict. Is it that simple?
 
Aren't we seeing the same now with Klopp and Sturridge?

Or Klopp v Sakho?
 
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Is it commonly accepted that there was a bad falling between Guardiola and Zlatan?

I know some words have been said in the media, but I always thought at the time that it was a weird signing and it played out as such - he just didn't fit in with the team. Was there more to it than simply that?

Anyways, there might be something in what you say but I think there is definitely more to it than you've raised.

At Barca, he had the job of sorting out a dysfunctional dressing room where there were a few agitators that needed putting in there place or binning off. I know people like to dismiss the job of managing Barca as being easy but I've always thought he deserved a lot of credit for transitioning that team into the well oiled machine they've pretty much been since. It wasn't all just Messi, Xavi and Iniesta.

I don't follow Bundesliga so don't know what happened at Bayern too much but at City again, it was well known that there was a clique in the dressing room that ruled the roost. And that needed dismantling. One of the biggest issue with the City side of the last few years has been mentality.

It was accepted that Yaya was going to be put out to pasture well before Guardiola was even announced as manager and Kompany has been marginalized over time due to injuries and questions asking whether he's the same player. So in some ways Guardiola has had it easy - only Hart ended up being controversial.

I don't know what the situation is with Aguero but over recent years he's been a problem player a little like Sturridge (though nowhere near as bad) and perhaps they want to cut the chord. Certainly the emergence of Iheanacho has given them room to experiment on that front - never understood why they kept spending fortunes on big target men.
 
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Rafa and Slur Fergie was the same lads. Good managers are the ultimate authority and do not want to be challenged. They lay down the law and stick to their guns.
 
Rafa and Slur Fergie was the same lads. Good managers are the ultimate authority and do not want to be challenged. They lay down the law and stick to their guns.

There's a distinction, though. Great managers want to maintain their authority, but they also want strong-minded players and they're happy to work with stars. The main reason for that is the best managers earn the respect of their best players, so their stars don't WANT to be a threat, they want to be allies. Paisley wasn't undermined by Dalglish or Souness, Dalglish wasn't undermined by Barnes. Ginsoak was quite happy to have Keane in the side and only bombed him out when he broke the rule about slagging off his teammates in public. He couldn't stand Beckham for pretty much the same reason many people can't stand him.

Most managers are pragmatists. Only an incredibly insecure one would resent a player who is good enough to help him win things.

Klopp's ability to make his players like him as well as respect him ought to be useful in handling top players. He certainly shows no anxiety about not only managing Coutinho but also boosting his ego.

I don't know about Guardiola. He seems a pretty diffident character. But I suspect he's fine with top players so long as they fit into his system. He coped with Messi well enough!
 
I've always disliked Guardiola, although it is was probably linked with my hate for Barcelona, and the associated Mes Que Un Club fucking horseshit.

He's a total bellend. Twitching and barking away on the touch line, and revelling in his footballing renaissance man legend, as he spreads the Pep Gospel from the pulpits of the richest, biggest and most dominant teams around the world.

There's nothing that special about the bald cunt. As evidenced by the fact his predecessors and successors at Barcelona, Bayern and City have won the same, or more.

Or maybe Luis Enrique is a genius too? Or Heynckes?

Any fucker can win the league with the most money and best players. His reputation would be a lot different without Messi and his careful selection of which clubs to manage - i.e. The ones who are already massively successful, and have the most money.

I hope he fails at City. Miserably.
 
I hope he fails at City. Miserably.

As the focus were on Mourinho and his need to hit back last night, it is noticeable that Pep doesnt get the same pressure, especially after 4-0 against Barca.

I said before the season that it might favour Mourinho if Pep struggled. He would be happier and the press would rather critizise Pep. However that strong start and Mourinhos ability to put himself in a bad light eventually made this a win win. Pep got it going long enough for Mourinho to meltdown, and now Pep is suddenly under some kind of pressure!!
 
6 games without a win, (though, there have been some difficult fixtures: Spurs, Everton, Utd, Barcelona, Soton, and to a lesser extent, Celtic) but it will be interesting to see how they bounce back. I bet they will. Though, the run may be extended with a tough trip to West Brom, followed by Barcelona midweek.
 
...Guardiola has the clearest, the most "pure" vision and tactical philosophy of any high-profile manager today...

I've only chopped it to save quoting the whole post, great write-up though.

On the point that remains, the Premier League is going to be the biggest test of Guardiola's vision and philosophy that he will have faced so far. Pep has had the luxury of managing in arguably less competitive leagues whilst also having unrivalled spending power (accepted that Spain was more of a top two).

He's now managing in what is a comparatively claustrophobic league where his team will get less space, less protection and less immunity from media scrutiny.

IF Pep can come out of the other side with his principles and philosophy intact then he can rightly say he is among the finest managers working today. I suspect something about his style of play may have to change though for his time in England to be held in the same regard as his time in Spain and Germany. He's already on the longest winless run he's ever had as a manager.
 
His 'principles'?

Fucking hell

He's as egotistical and full of himself as that other cunt Mourinho

Yes. HIS principles. Doesn't matter whether you agree with him or not. Or whether we think he is full of himself or not. You're emphasising the wrong word.

The fact remains, he has a belief in his system and that that is the way football should be played. That will now be tested.
 
I can't stand watching Guardiola's teams play, it bores me to death. Bayern Munich were miles better under Heynkes and played much more exciting football. City so far this season play like they've all just had a big swig of night nurse.
It's so slow and predictable.
His trophy record is very impressive but as others have said it should be when you have boss players and loads of money to spend on new ones. Maybe the biggest thing about managing clubs like Barca, Bayern and City is that you lose very few players to other clubs (unless you wan't rid of them).
 
I still think the Jupp Heynckes Bayern team of 2012/2013 was better than anything Pep produced. In fact, it was probably one of the best sides of the last 20 years. Very convenient taking over a team like that.
 
I still think the Jupp Heynckes Bayern team of 2012/2013 was better than anything Pep produced. In fact, it was probably one of the best sides of the last 20 years. Very convenient taking over a team like that.
Exactly. I don't buy into this media bollix that he's some sorta guru who has re-invented the wheel. We all know how football should be played and in an ideal world all teams would play like Rinus Michel's Holland team i.e. Total Football. It's doable if you have lots and lots of money and are a very good manager or ridiculously lucky to inherit a 23 year old Messi and Xavi, Iniesta, Mascherano etc all at the peak of their powers. It also helps if you takeover the treble-winning champions of Europe (who he turned into double winning Champions of Germany!).

Balls Oot!..........I'm predicting City will have a miserable season this season and win fuck-all and Pep will take another "sabbatical" from the game due to "stress".
 
This is not restricted to football people should always consider the ones being managed that actually make shit happen. If you have had Messi and then you have the likes of roben and ribbery you will have success despite all the tactical shit you claim because players like that shine in any system with the skill and brains they have. He has no one like that in his team so for the first time in many years he will have to actually work.
 
i used to really love guardiola.
thought he was brilliant and was rather humble.
but he's basically a more elegant version of mourinho.
 
i used to really love guardiola.
thought he was brilliant and was rather humble.
but he's basically a more elegant version of mourinho.

More elegant version of Mourinho, really. He does act like a footballing intellectual which can put people off. He has also carefully selected jobs. I dont particularly like him.

But he has never insulted opposition fans, caused a referee to retire, poked opposition managers in the eye, or faned hatred like Mourinho.
 
Is it commonly accepted that there was a bad falling between Guardiola and Zlatan?

I know some words have been said in the media, but I always thought at the time that it was a weird signing and it played out as such - he just didn't fit in with the team. Was there more to it than simply that?

Oh yeah, that was a big, nasty falling out - basically Zlatan hates his guts now and mentions this at every opportunity. If you're unfamiliar with the whole thing, here is a good intruduction:

http://www.theguardian.com/football...p-guardiola-manchester-united-city-barcelona?
 
I think Robben would have been another big personality at Bayern that was well managed by Pepe.

I think Zlatan is a Nob who doesn't do well with authority unless he's all bromanced by someone (Jose)

That aside, is it not that there can only be one big dog with a big manager. A good manager has control of the dressing room, and elimainates/sidelines the trouble makers who don't follow the edict. Is it that simple?

Good point about Robben - I forgot about him and he did flourish under Guardiola, in fact he looked to have added another level to his game while working with him. Chalk another one in the Plus column.

The knock on Guardiola is not that he sidelines the troublemakers - every decent manager does that. But Aguero is not a trouble-maker, in fact he is by far the best striker and possibly even the best player in the Premier League. Lewandowski was the same at Bayern. Picking fights with players like these makes Guardiola seem like too much of an ideological purist, someone who will not stop at dismantling sometimes the strongest part of the team in a quest to bring it closer to his ideal, which seems to be 11 midfielders on the pitch who never, ever lose the ball.

To be fair, he did compromise on Lewandowski eventually, but it was a struggle and it seemed like he just accepted after much trial and error that there wasn't a better option rather than whole-heartedly embrace it. I have a feeling he left Bayern in part because they didn't let him to dismantle and rebuild the side completely to his liking. Will Man City prove to be more malleable? Pep was initially effusive in his praise of Aguero and said he was as important to the team as Messi is to Barcelona - but leaving him out of the team in the game against Barca speaks much louder than words. He would have never done this to the real Messi. Since that moment Aguero doesn't seem like himself, something has clearly changed.
 
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More elegant version of Mourinho, really. He does act like a footballing intellectual which can put people off. He has also carefully selected jobs. I dont particularly like him.

But he has never insulted opposition fans, caused a referee to retire, poked opposition managers in the eye, or faned hatred like Mourinho.

A more elegant, respectful version of Mourinho - better? 🙂
 
Hmm, that's a tough poll.

I do think he's a great manager and all this stuff about him cherry-picking teams is a bit silly (in the same way requiring Messi to go to some mid-table side so he can be compared more on level terms to Maradona is silly) - that's something that's earned, isn't it? There is a reason that the likes of Steve Bruce et al are still scrapping at the bottom of the league after 20 years of management.

That said, he's still got a few things to prove.

He's been thwarted by Mourinho-esque tactics on a few too many big occasions for it to not be a black mark. If the opposition look like resisting the normal brilliance of his side then the response is to normally continue in hope rather than anything else until the bitter end.

I do wonder if City will afford him the chance to prove himself that Bayern never could as the league is so competitive right now. Well, at least until they spend a bazillion pounds making them better than everyone else, if that's still possible.

He is one of the few celebrity managers in the game so in terms of the general package, he is one of the greatest in the game but on a purely footballing basis, I voted "somewhere inbetween" for now.
 
Don't like him. Do not particularly admire the way his team play. Don't want him as a LFC manager.

But he is the most important manager in the last 10 years given his impact on the game.

I dont think Rinus Michel would have won a lot of trophies without Cryuff and Van Basten. Doesn't make his contribution to football any less important.
 
Good point about Robben - I forgot about him and he did flourish under Guardiola, in fact he looked to have added another level to his game while working with him. Chalk another one in the Plus column.

Y'see this is the type of credit that Pep seems to get (undeservedly) which adds to this bullshit narrative that he's a genius; Robben was brilliant for Bayern from day one......which was 4 years before Pep joined Bayern! I watched them a lot around this time and Robben was brilliant under Heynckes and equally good under Pep.
 
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