I think they were holding out hope for Guardiola. Would be shocked if Mourinho doesn't get the United job in the summer. If he doesn't, really signals how far his stock has fallen.
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I think they were holding out hope for Guardiola. Would be shocked if Mourinho doesn't get the United job in the summer. If he doesn't, really signals how far his stock has fallen.
I'm convinced his going to be majorly found out here, as has been pointed out many times in this thread, he's never had a real challenge, inherited the best team on the planet, then moved to by far the richest team in Germany after its only real competition had been decimated. The premier league is far more competitive than he'll be used to, and even at the helm of a megarich team like City, he's going to struggle, I hope he does anyway, the pretentious prick.
I just cant see it working over here, the median quality is just so much higher, teams like West Ham, Stoke, Crystal Palace and Everton and going to get some joy against his teams, I'm sure of it.
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I think many of you will be surprised how excellent he is. It took him around a month to change the way Bayern played. Won't be surprised if he will take Martinez and Tiago with him from Bayern. Hart will probably be replaced by a Reina style keeper.
He will demand 100% in every game. The players will need to work their socks off in every game. If they don't then they will benched and then sold whoever it is. No more lazy uninterested players.
He will demand 100% in every game. The players will need to work their socks off in every game. If they don't then they will benched and then sold whoever it is. No more lazy uninterested players.
I respect what he is doing. I dont agree Barca was that brilliant before he came. PL however can be a test.
What's this going to do to City the rest of this season? They've got a lame duck in charge and that typically doesn't end well. Opens it up for Arsenal this year ......maybe even Leicester.
Well that's City nailed on for the title for the next 3 years at least.
Will be interesting to see how they fair in Europe and who they bring in to replace Toure.
Will be interesting to see how they fair in Europe and who they bring in to replace Toure.
I lose a bit of respect for him on his choices of 'projects'.
Inherited a Barca side that had the best player of all time, possibly the best central midfielder of all time, and at the best number 10 in the world. Goes to Bayern who were European and Bundesliga champions AND massively outspending anyone in their league. How hard could that be?
Now he's followed the big budget again to City, where they'll throw 200 odd mil at him over a year for him to get the targets he wants, even if it means spending 30 - 40% over the value of the targets.
Don't get me wrong, I think Pep is good. But we'll never really know if he's THAT great.
This is why I respect Klopp so much. He could have waited around for Chelsea, United, or even Real Madrid. But he wanted a proper challenge. (And he certainly got one with us).
Inherited a Barca side that had the best player of all time, possibly the best central midfielder of all time, and at the best number 10 in the world. Goes to Bayern who were European and Bundesliga champions AND massively outspending anyone in their league. How hard could that be?
Now he's followed the big budget again to City, where they'll throw 200 odd mil at him over a year for him to get the targets he wants, even if it means spending 30 - 40% over the value of the targets.
Don't get me wrong, I think Pep is good. But we'll never really know if he's THAT great.
This is why I respect Klopp so much. He could have waited around for Chelsea, United, or even Real Madrid. But he wanted a proper challenge. (And he certainly got one with us).
Him and Mourinho ...
It's true to Mourinho to an extent but unfortunately the prick can always point to the Champions League won with Porto.
Anyway on to Pep. Well yeah, it's a bit of taking the easy road (again), but I'd probably do the same myself. It won't be as easy as Munich. City are loaded, but the money gap to the next teams isn't at great and the league is more competitive. I think his Munich team got found out a couple of times in the Champions League, but obviously by superb teams. As said above I love that Klopp took on a proper challenge.
Anyway on to Pep. Well yeah, it's a bit of taking the easy road (again), but I'd probably do the same myself. It won't be as easy as Munich. City are loaded, but the money gap to the next teams isn't at great and the league is more competitive. I think his Munich team got found out a couple of times in the Champions League, but obviously by superb teams. As said above I love that Klopp took on a proper challenge.
He'll have an enormous workload, given that they've invested so much into the youth set up and, presumably, will expect him to stamp his signature on it, in addition to revamping the first team. Then there's the fixture congestion that might well see him shout at his medical staff a fair few times. So I guess there's a glimmer of hope he might get fed up.
They've been preparing the ground for him for years now though. He's pretty much going to be walking in to a set-up that he's had at least a tacit hand in overseeing. Then there's the fact that he'll be able to spend as much money as he wants and that most footballers will happily sign for City under his management.
I think it would be a surprise if he doesn't clean up, but it will be difficult for him to win the Champions League with Man City if he only does the standard 3-year term. They've got a lot of ground to make up. But I'd be surprised if he doesn't do it, I guess.
I think it would be a surprise if he doesn't clean up, but it will be difficult for him to win the Champions League with Man City if he only does the standard 3-year term. They've got a lot of ground to make up. But I'd be surprised if he doesn't do it, I guess.
Barca finished 3rd the season before he took over. They had some great players but they were all over the place, they were not by any estimation the best team on the planet, peoples memories are distorted by the fact that they were head and shoulders above every other team in europe about 6 months after he arrived. His spell at Barcelona was the most successful in the history of the club. Bayern have always been the richest team in Germany, beore he arrived they won 1 title in the previous 3 years, under Guardiola they have been more dominant than ever. This season will see Bayern win their 4th consecutive Bundesliga title, something never done before, any way you slice it hes a phenomenon.
As for the uber competitiveness of the Premier league its myth. In the last 5 years 3 clubs have won the title in the premier league, 2 have won the Bundesliga and 3 have won La Liga. In the same period 8 teams in Germany and Spain have finished in the top 4 compared to 6 in the premier league. Theres nothing in it.
I was going to say that. By all accounts there were huge dressing room rifts, the Ronaldinho problem to solve, Eto'o was causing trouble... etc. He deserved the credit he got for what he achieved at Barcelona. Also people act like he picked the Barca role, he was a reserve team manager with no experience.
I don't like the mid-season announcements and some of the stuff around Tito cast him in an unflattering light (though don't really know much about it) but I don't really think he owes it to anyone to go manage some unfancied side.
Hard to say though, would Bayern really be as dominant had Goatze and Lewandowski stayed at Dortmund in the past few seasons? They added strength AND took their rivals talents at the same time there.
Absolutely agree with you and RedStar. I also don't understand the flak he gets for taking "top jobs". The guy is working at the top of his profession, why wouldn't he choose to move to the top clubs? It's like expecting someone like, say, Dave Lewis to accept a "project" managing his local off licence.
OK, that's a fair enough point...to a point. But there's no doubt that he carefully selects his roles for minimum challenge , and was always more likely to choose City over United, despite United being as financially capable as any club, and certainly a bigger global brand than City.
But City are in better shape and require less "rebuilding". If he wanted a real challenge, re-establishing United surely would have been the right option? Because, using the Dave Lewis analogy, that's what United are now: Tesco.
I would argue that Guardiola has already passed through the re-establishment phase of his managerial career, having taken on a Barcelona side that hadn't won anything in Rijkaard's last two seasons. He not only re-established Barca, he went on to win 14 trophies in four years. Given that record, I'm not surprised that the top clubs are knocking on his door and I'm equally unsurprised that he is selecting the jobs with the greatest chance of success.
Whether United are as financially capable or a bigger global brand is irrelevant to a manager like Guardiola, in my opinion. From the outside looking in, that club has been a mess since Ferguson left and is beginning to look like a big rebuilding job. Personally, I think Guardiola is looking for a job that will offer him success over the next 2-3 seasons before he moves on elsewhere, he's chosen England and that only gives him the realistic options of City or Chelsea - which I guess you could consider somewhat of a project, but no Champions League next year.
In the end, Guardiola could end up a bit like Mayweather Jr. He'll have a big trophy haul and a great record precisely because he was careful with his choices. There's an argument there about whether a carefully selected path leaves behind a great legacy (and it's hotly contested in Mayweather Jr's case), I'd say that regardless of your opinion on that, Guardiola - like Mayweather Jr - has earned to right to make those choices.
That's fair enough... but also to a point.
I think he was brave to take the Bayern job after they'd just won the treble and remember thinking he should've chosen a different job at the time. How do you improve on that?
He won the league there but people will always comment that he didn't win the CL.
But given there was actually NO WAY to improve on it, it isn't "brave" is it?
My take on it was that he was brought to maintain that success whilst bringing in his style of play.
Whether or not you view his style of play as an improvement is something else.
Yeah, my dislike of Guardiola meant that my take on it was "Yes, you have had success. But you have achieved it in entirely the wrong way. I shall remedy this, puny mortals"
Sounds like something you probably said about Mourinho when he went to Chelsea
I have grave concerns about this from a footballing point of view (fuck city). Pep is a top class coach, and city have shown previously that they believe themselves to be exempt from FFP and/or know how to easily swerve it and just get themselves a tiny slap on the wrists. Therefore I expect them to massively bankroll pep this summer, probably to the tune of a couple of hundred million, that combined with him being a very good coach, is going to make the league pretty uncompetitive, just like the German league.
Did he accept the Bayern job after they won the treble? I maybe wrong but I thought he agreed to take the Bayern job midway into Heynckes final season. I don't think even Bayern directors expected the success towards the end of the season in January when Guardiola agreed to take on the job.
I would hope that there's a bit more competition in this league. Certainly, despite the Arab billions, there isn't such a massive gap between the richest biggest club, and the next richest and biggest in the Premiership vs Germany. We have three or four who will always at least compete.
He did a phenomenal job at Barcelona. The success Barcelona had was directly related to his vision in terms of style of football and the way he integrated key players from youth team and first team together. But the key pieces were already there and credit to him, he took full advantage of it.
"Bayern have always been the richest team in Germany, beore he arrived they won 1 title in the previous 3 years, under Guardiola they have been more dominant than ever. This season will see Bayern win their 4th consecutive Bundesliga title, something never done before, any way you slice it hes a phenomenon."
But I think the gap between Bayern and the rest of Bundesliga has never been wider in terms of finances and player quality. So the Bayern success cannot be completely attributed to him. If he does not win the Champions league this year, then a lot of fans will not see his tenure as a complete success.
I think the lack of "against all odds jaw dropping romantic achievement" in his CV is what is causing several fans criticism of him. Klopp had it with Dortmund, Rafa with Istanbul, Mourinho with Porto, Ferguson with Aberdeen. It is not his fault that he got offered the Barcelona job first. But a millionaire kid who turns his dads 500 million dollar company to a 50 billion dollar enterprise is always going to get less respect from the general public than a person who build a 10 billion enterprise starting from his garage.
"Bayern have always been the richest team in Germany, beore he arrived they won 1 title in the previous 3 years, under Guardiola they have been more dominant than ever. This season will see Bayern win their 4th consecutive Bundesliga title, something never done before, any way you slice it hes a phenomenon."
But I think the gap between Bayern and the rest of Bundesliga has never been wider in terms of finances and player quality. So the Bayern success cannot be completely attributed to him. If he does not win the Champions league this year, then a lot of fans will not see his tenure as a complete success.
I think the lack of "against all odds jaw dropping romantic achievement" in his CV is what is causing several fans criticism of him. Klopp had it with Dortmund, Rafa with Istanbul, Mourinho with Porto, Ferguson with Aberdeen. It is not his fault that he got offered the Barcelona job first. But a millionaire kid who turns his dads 500 million dollar company to a 50 billion dollar enterprise is always going to get less respect from the general public than a person who build a 10 billion enterprise starting from his garage.
City should and probably will dominate the league whilst he is in charge.
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