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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=45085.msg1321332#msg1321332 date=1303720455]
I put stevie on the right ahead of Kuyt no trouble.

He can, & always has, passed & crossed better than Beckham, & Stevie is still as quick now as that cunt ever was. Pair him with a rapid winger on the left & we have real shape & a dynamic attack, with long curled balls into the box, across the front line of attack or to the other side of the pitch with unerring accuracy from the right, still with the ability to create space & beat a man at times, yet a tricky pacy winger on the left.

It's no coincidence that Utds best footy was played with a similar combination. I honestly believe Gerrard can perform that role with aplomb.

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I truly believe that where gerrard's future lies. where does that leave kuyt? as an option (a very good option) on the bench.

Left midfielder------holding midfielder---attacking midfielder-----gerrard

if two quality wide midfielders are bought then they both play with gerrard being utilised through the middle I just think (and I've always thought this) if he plays through the middle in a centre midfield 2, he is required to have disipline and that curtails his ability to attack.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45085.msg1321336#msg1321336 date=1303721896]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=45085.msg1321332#msg1321332 date=1303720455]
I put stevie on the right ahead of Kuyt no trouble.

He can, & always has, passed & crossed better than Beckham, & Stevie is still as quick now as that cunt ever was. Pair him with a rapid winger on the left & we have real shape & a dynamic attack, with long curled balls into the box, across the front line of attack or to the other side of the pitch with unerring accuracy from the right, still with the ability to create space & beat a man at times, yet a tricky pacy winger on the left.

It's no coincidence that Utds best footy was played with a similar combination. I honestly believe Gerrard can perform that role with aplomb.

[/quote]

I truly believe that where gerrard's future lies. where does that leave kuyt? as an option (a very good option) on the bench.

Left midfielder------holding midfielder---attacking midfielder-----gerrard

if two quality wide midfielders are bought then they both play with gerrard being utilised through the middle I just think (and I've always thought this) if he plays through the middle in a centre midfield 2, he is required to have disipline and that curtails his ability to attack.

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Thing is Gerrard doesn't want to play there and what he wants he gets. I'd play him either side or ahead of the defensive midfielders.
 
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=45085.msg1321394#msg1321394 date=1303728237]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=45085.msg1321336#msg1321336 date=1303721896]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=45085.msg1321332#msg1321332 date=1303720455]
I put stevie on the right ahead of Kuyt no trouble.

He can, & always has, passed & crossed better than Beckham, & Stevie is still as quick now as that cunt ever was. Pair him with a rapid winger on the left & we have real shape & a dynamic attack, with long curled balls into the box, across the front line of attack or to the other side of the pitch with unerring accuracy from the right, still with the ability to create space & beat a man at times, yet a tricky pacy winger on the left.

It's no coincidence that Utds best footy was played with a similar combination. I honestly believe Gerrard can perform that role with aplomb.

[/quote]

I truly believe that where gerrard's future lies. where does that leave kuyt? as an option (a very good option) on the bench.

Left midfielder------holding midfielder---attacking midfielder-----gerrard

if two quality wide midfielders are bought then they both play with gerrard being utilised through the middle I just think (and I've always thought this) if he plays through the middle in a centre midfield 2, he is required to have disipline and that curtails his ability to attack.

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Thing is Gerrard doesn't want to play there and what he wants he gets. I'd play him either side or ahead of the defensive midfielders.
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Gerrard said a few seasons ago that he no longer minds were he is played- he admitted he had his head turned by the 'Rafa is killing SG because he isn't playing him in the middle' media brigade, but that he now realises that it is the manager's call, and he's happy with that.
 
I think I must've missed the meeting where attacking midfielders have to become defensive midfielders as soon as they hit 30.

It almost seems common wisdom now on here that Gerrard will have to transition into the DM role or any other role to that which he's been playing his entire career.

Maybe we can buy Kaka and play him at LB. He's approaching 30 and in need of a bit of rejuvenation.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=45085.msg1321427#msg1321427 date=1303733495]
Also, it's Kenny doing the telling. So he'll do as he's fucking told.
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True. Kenny will do the telling and Stevie will do as the King tells him.


That said, Kenny has a hell of a lot more respect for an all time kop legend than to shunt him out to the right.

No matter what Neil says, Stevie's future has never been and nor is it now out on the right.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45085.msg1321440#msg1321440 date=1303735869]
I think I must've missed the meeting where attacking midfielders have to become defensive midfielders as soon as they hit 30.

It almost seems common wisdom now on here that Gerrard will have to transition into the DM role or any other role to that which he's been playing his entire career.

Maybe we can buy Kaka and play him at LB. He's approaching 30 and in need of a bit of rejuvenation.
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I don't think gerrard will ever be a defensive midfield as you will lose too many attacking aspects of his game.
 
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=45085.msg1321452#msg1321452 date=1303737272]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=45085.msg1321427#msg1321427 date=1303733495]
Also, it's Kenny doing the telling. So he'll do as he's fucking told.
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True. Kenny will do the telling and Stevie will do as the King tells him.


That said, Kenny has a hell of a lot more respect for an all time kop legend than to shunt him out to the right.

No matter what Neil says, Stevie's future has never been and nor is it now out on the right.
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But as a right sided player in a 4-2-3-1? I think he'd be brilliant, like he was in Rafa's first season. A bit of a free role, where he can come in or go wide. Have Suarez in the middle behind Carroll (or Kuyt) and a left winger, let's say Young. Miereles and Lucas/a better player behind them. Kelly/Johnson marauding down the right and Robinson/someone new going down the left. I'd be happy with that team.
 
[quote author=juniormember link=topic=45085.msg1321462#msg1321462 date=1303740023]
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=45085.msg1321452#msg1321452 date=1303737272]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=45085.msg1321427#msg1321427 date=1303733495]
Also, it's Kenny doing the telling. So he'll do as he's fucking told.
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True. Kenny will do the telling and Stevie will do as the King tells him.


That said, Kenny has a hell of a lot more respect for an all time kop legend than to shunt him out to the right.

No matter what Neil says, Stevie's future has never been and nor is it now out on the right.
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But as a right sided player in a 4-2-3-1? I think he'd be brilliant, like he was in Rafa's first season. A bit of a free role, where he can come in or go wide. Have Suarez in the middle behind Carroll (or Kuyt) and a left winger, let's say Young. Miereles and Lucas/a better player behind them. Kelly/Johnson marauding down the right and Robinson/someone new going down the left. I'd be happy with that team.
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Have to agree. Wizardry makes being in RM sound like it's a Siberian gulag. SG had a fantastic season on the right- although his movement meant he didn't just stand out on the sideline- coming central, swapping flanks with HK, and generally involved in everything, he tortured defences and scored 20 odd goals.
 
He scored a fair number whilst playing in central midfield and when he did play on the right, we were unbalanced.

I think he could be a decent option out there but only if he was far more restricted as far as roaming is concerned. You can't have midfielders looking at the right flank for a passing option and seeing nobody at all there.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45085.msg1321661#msg1321661 date=1303791729]
He scored a fair number whilst playing in central midfield and when he did play on the right, we were unbalanced.

I think he could be a decent option out there but only if he was far more restricted as far as roaming is concerned. You can't have midfielders looking at the right flank for a passing option and seeing nobody at all there.
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Enter Johnson/Kelly.
 
Not only that- when SG was playing the role he was swapping positions with other players as he roamed, so HK moved to the right, or Luis Garcia, or whoever. It wasn't that the right side was just voided because SG had a free role.
 
Carroll
Suarez Gerrard

Both Suarez and Gerrard buzzing around off carroll. this is what i'd like to see. But i fully expect this:


Carroll
Suarez RW
Gerrard
DM

Sorry Raul. I love you but there's no room...
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45085.msg1321714#msg1321714 date=1303804357]
Carroll
Suarez Gerrard

Both Suarez and Gerrard buzzing around off carroll. this is what i'd like to see. But i fully expect this:


Carroll
Suarez RW
Gerrard
DM

Sorry Raul. I love you but there's no room...
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Carroll
Suarez RW
Raul Gerrard
DM

?
 
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=45085.msg1321718#msg1321718 date=1303804508]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45085.msg1321714#msg1321714 date=1303804357]
Carroll
Suarez Gerrard

Both Suarez and Gerrard buzzing around off carroll. this is what i'd like to see. But i fully expect this:


Carroll
Suarez RW
Gerrard
DM

Sorry Raul. I love you but there's no room...
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Carroll
Suarez RW
Raul Gerrard
DM



?
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.....oh yeah

WAIT RAUL I'M SORRY!!!

*cries*
 
Carroll
Suarez Kuyt

Ming Gerrard

Lucas

Spearing

Johnson Carra Skrtel

Reina


Anyone think something like this would work?

GK : Gulacsi (someone new if Reina fucks off)
FB : Flanagan Robinson (some kids)
CB : Agger Wilson Kelly (someone new IF Kelly's injury problems persist BUT PERHAPS a CB isn't as essential now)
AM : Aquilani (if he returns) Shelvey ( I also think Lucas deserves more time as well now)
DM : someone new (but I think Spearing deserves some time now, so perhaps this need isnt as crucial as we thought)
F : I thnk we're pretty set here; we have 2 good strikers, plus perhaps we really should be looking at recalling Pacheco, and some of the kids like Suso and Sterling might be able to make the jump next season.
LM / AM : I think this perhaps the one area we need to strengthen URGENTLY (not te replace Kuyt as some on here are fervently hoping, but as an additional option)
 
good god avvy....that would never work


Johnson doesn't have the discipline to be a CB. Maybe if you binned him off and improved on spearing then possbily, but it leaves us quite weak at the back.

New DM

Carra Kelly Skrtel

Reina

then maybe... but i'm still not fond of 3 at the back, it's too easy to outnumber
 
Ok ok..

I still do think 3 at the back might be a way to play to our strengths, if we try wingbacks.
 
*decides not to fly that flag* (although he hopes wingbacks are tried again once Kelly's fit)

*still refuses to take down the Reina flag*
 
I thought kenny utilising 3 at the back was extremely effective in his first few games in charge, not that I think we'll see it again next season.
 
I actually agree with Avvy in terms of 3 at the back in certain games - one of the lads here ( spider neil?) had a thing for attacking fullbacks if im not mistaken and against the right opposition i think that a 3-5-2 formation would be handy against certain teams

Suarez -Carroll

Gerrard/merieles

Lucas/An.Other----Spearing/Merieles

Coentrao/Taiwo/Johnson/Robbinson Kelly/Johnson/ Flanno

Skrtel --- Carra --- Agger/Another

Raina
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=45085.msg1321700#msg1321700 date=1303803408]
Not only that- when SG was playing the role he was swapping positions with other players as he roamed, so HK moved to the right, or Luis Garcia, or whoever. It wasn't that the right side was just voided because SG had a free role.
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It often was though. It was very congested in the middle and we had no support on the right hand side.

If we can keep possession far more than the opposition and Johnson can play as a right winger primarily, as Alves does for Barcelona then it's better.

I'm not in favour of it as a mid to long-term solution though.
 
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=45085.msg1321777#msg1321777 date=1303808671]
Carroll
Suarez Kuyt

Ming Gerrard

Lucas

Spearing

Johnson Carra Skrtel

Reina


Anyone think something like this would work?

GK : Gulacsi (someone new if Reina fucks off)
FB : Flanagan Robinson (some kids)
CB : Agger Wilson Kelly (someone new IF Kelly's injury problems persist BUT PERHAPS a CB isn't as essential now)
AM : Aquilani (if he returns) Shelvey ( I also think Lucas deserves more time as well now)
DM : someone new (but I think Spearing deserves some time now, so perhaps this need isnt as crucial as we thought)
F : I thnk we're pretty set here; we have 2 good strikers, plus perhaps we really should be looking at recalling Pacheco, and some of the kids like Suso and Sterling might be able to make the jump next season.
LM / AM : I think this perhaps the one area we need to strengthen URGENTLY (not te replace Kuyt as some on here are fervently hoping, but as an additional option)


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*looks at Avvy's signature*

*raises hand*
 
I'm not here to defend you Avvy, but I do feel you... That formation is the way to get as many of our good attacking players into the game and still have some of the same midfield performances we have witnesses recently, I am sure that could be a dominant Fifa/FM formation. BUT it'd never work irl and the reason you have a proud and large Dumbledore's Army to be part of is that Kenny Dalglish will make the team sheets.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45085.msg1321895#msg1321895 date=1303818489]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=45085.msg1321700#msg1321700 date=1303803408]
Not only that- when SG was playing the role he was swapping positions with other players as he roamed, so HK moved to the right, or Luis Garcia, or whoever. It wasn't that the right side was just voided because SG had a free role.
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It often was though. It was very congested in the middle and we had no support on the right hand side.

If we can keep possession far more than the opposition and Johnson can play as a right winger primarily, as Alves does for Barcelona then it's better.

I'm not in favour of it as a mid to long-term solution though.
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As you say, that's how Johnson and Kelly can play.
Back then we had Finnan (and Josemi), who, as great as some of his crossing was, he didn't have the pace to be bombing down the wing without being caught up. So I think we might see something very different with the same formation now.
 
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