So now he's been there for a while, how do people think he's going to do?
Now that I think of it, how many EPL managers are better than poor old Ged?
Now that I think of it, how many EPL managers are better than poor old Ged?
Gerrard Houllier at Aston Villa
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i dunno, but it's strange watching him sitting there talking to himself in another club's dugout.
i guess he's got a bit of a difficult job really: his predecessor spent a lot of money - some of it well - that houllier won't get, but he'll still have to deal with the same raised expectations. still, i'm sure he'll be gracious enough to attribute the credit to o'neill if he does manage to achieve anything this season.
i guess he's got a bit of a difficult job really: his predecessor spent a lot of money - some of it well - that houllier won't get, but he'll still have to deal with the same raised expectations. still, i'm sure he'll be gracious enough to attribute the credit to o'neill if he does manage to achieve anything this season.
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i dunno, but it's strange watching him sitting there talking to himself in another club's dugout.
i guess he's got a bit of a difficult job really: his predecessor spent a lot of money - some of it well - that houllier won't get, but he'll still have to deal with the same raised expectations. still, i'm sure he'll be gracious enough to attribute the credit to o'neill if he does manage to achieve anything this season.
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i dunno, but it's strange watching him sitting there talking to himself in another club's dugout.
i guess he's got a bit of a difficult job really: his predecessor spent a lot of money - some of it well - that houllier won't get, but he'll still have to deal with the same raised expectations. still, i'm sure he'll be gracious enough to attribute the credit to o'neill if he does manage to achieve anything this season.
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If he does for Villa what he did for Liverpool, he'll go doww as one of the best managers in their history
But whether he has the time, money, drive, ambition and framework to do so is questionable.
And is he still good enough?
All in all, I think it's unlikely
But whether he has the time, money, drive, ambition and framework to do so is questionable.
And is he still good enough?
All in all, I think it's unlikely
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He'll get them between 7th and 8th or so, which won't be good enough for Villa fans, because they're spectacularly stupid.
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If he does for Villa what he did for Liverpool, he'll go doww as one of the best managers in their history
But whether he has the time, money, drive, ambition and framework to do so is questionable.
And is he still good enough?
All in all, I think it's unlikely
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This, plus (based on his time at LFC) I'm not sure it's the type of job which suits him best anyway. He was absolutely the right man for the job when he arrived at LFC - someone was needed to "clean the stables". Unfortunately the job slipped out of his grasp when it became a question of kicking on from there and IMO the Villa job is more akin to the second phase of his time with us, the bit that didn't work out.
If he does for Villa what he did for Liverpool, he'll go doww as one of the best managers in their history
But whether he has the time, money, drive, ambition and framework to do so is questionable.
And is he still good enough?
All in all, I think it's unlikely
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This, plus (based on his time at LFC) I'm not sure it's the type of job which suits him best anyway. He was absolutely the right man for the job when he arrived at LFC - someone was needed to "clean the stables". Unfortunately the job slipped out of his grasp when it became a question of kicking on from there and IMO the Villa job is more akin to the second phase of his time with us, the bit that didn't work out.
Quite a change in feeling seeing Houllier play with youth players in his starting lineup. Mainly due to circumstance though but still, a 'refreshing' change. Bannan, Albrighton, Delfouneso and Clark vs Fulham today.
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He has signed Pires.
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Yeah, can't believe Pires' already 37. Houllier's gone 1 step further. 😛 (Macca was 'only' 35 when he signed for us). Experienced + add body to a injury plague squad + short term contract, minimum risk I guess.
He has signed Pires.
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Yeah, can't believe Pires' already 37. Houllier's gone 1 step further. 😛 (Macca was 'only' 35 when he signed for us). Experienced + add body to a injury plague squad + short term contract, minimum risk I guess.
Yeah, but at some point, Lerner's surely gotta dig deep into his pocket cos the likes of Reo-coker and Carew are becoming free agents come end of the season. They're lucky to have a pretty successful youth system though.
That Scottish guy Bannon looks a really good player
Yeah, I've been impressed with him on the few occasions I've seen him. If GH deals with him as well as he did with (the admittedly far more talented) Gerrard, they could have a player on their hands there.
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Yeah, but at some point, Lerner's surely gotta dig deep into his pocket cos the likes of Reo-coker and Carew are becoming free agents come end of the season. They're lucky to have a pretty successful youth system though.
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A lot of commentators think that the successful youth system is the reason O'Neill got sacked. He wouldn't play any of them.
Houllier has kind of been forced to and some of them look pretty good.
Yeah, but at some point, Lerner's surely gotta dig deep into his pocket cos the likes of Reo-coker and Carew are becoming free agents come end of the season. They're lucky to have a pretty successful youth system though.
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A lot of commentators think that the successful youth system is the reason O'Neill got sacked. He wouldn't play any of them.
Houllier has kind of been forced to and some of them look pretty good.
He was sacked because he didn't play - or sell - high earners like Heskey, Reo-Coker, Johnson, Curtis et al.
Houllier was brilliant until his illness and then we fell short, but I think that team with McAllister, Barmby, Hamann etc was one of the best I've seen play under us, when you thrown in a younger Carragher, Owen and Gerrard, it was a great side.
I think his illness affected him badly and it seemed to creep into his mindset for games, he didn't have the courage to go for games, although it's worth stressing that he could be quite cautious anyway, as found out with our reputation on the continent during the UEFA Cup run, but anyway, he's a good manager, just incredibly stubborn.
I think his illness affected him badly and it seemed to creep into his mindset for games, he didn't have the courage to go for games, although it's worth stressing that he could be quite cautious anyway, as found out with our reputation on the continent during the UEFA Cup run, but anyway, he's a good manager, just incredibly stubborn.
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Houllier was brilliant until his illness and then we fell short, but I think that team with McAllister, Barmby, Hamann etc was one of the best I've seen play under us, when you thrown in a younger Carragher, Owen and Gerrard, it was a great side.
I think his illness affected him badly and it seemed to creep into his mindset for games, he didn't have the courage to go for games, although it's worth stressing that he could be quite cautious anyway, as found out with our reputation on the continent during the UEFA Cup run, but anyway, he's a good manager, just incredibly stubborn.
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I've never been sure how much of a difference GH's illness actually made in the end. The highlighted bit, which is true, was evident well before he got sick.
It's a real shame that our last two managers, after doing so much for the club, were derailed in the end by their own stubbornness.
Houllier was brilliant until his illness and then we fell short, but I think that team with McAllister, Barmby, Hamann etc was one of the best I've seen play under us, when you thrown in a younger Carragher, Owen and Gerrard, it was a great side.
I think his illness affected him badly and it seemed to creep into his mindset for games, he didn't have the courage to go for games, although it's worth stressing that he could be quite cautious anyway, as found out with our reputation on the continent during the UEFA Cup run, but anyway, he's a good manager, just incredibly stubborn.
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I've never been sure how much of a difference GH's illness actually made in the end. The highlighted bit, which is true, was evident well before he got sick.
It's a real shame that our last two managers, after doing so much for the club, were derailed in the end by their own stubbornness.
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Houllier was brilliant until his illness and then we fell short, but I think that team with McAllister, Barmby, Hamann etc was one of the best I've seen play under us, when you thrown in a younger Carragher, Owen and Gerrard, it was a great side.
I think his illness affected him badly and it seemed to creep into his mindset for games, he didn't have the courage to go for games, although it's worth stressing that he could be quite cautious anyway, as found out with our reputation on the continent during the UEFA Cup run, but anyway, he's a good manager, just incredibly stubborn.
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I've never been sure how much of a difference GH's illness actually made in the end. The highlighted bit, which is true, was evident well before he got sick.
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Of course it was yeah, maybe his cautiousness just became more apparent after his illness but his judgement definitely wavered. I know he'd always sign the odd shit player but after his illness we went tits up both on the pitch and in the transfer market.
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Houllier was brilliant until his illness and then we fell short, but I think that team with McAllister, Barmby, Hamann etc was one of the best I've seen play under us, when you thrown in a younger Carragher, Owen and Gerrard, it was a great side.
I think his illness affected him badly and it seemed to creep into his mindset for games, he didn't have the courage to go for games, although it's worth stressing that he could be quite cautious anyway, as found out with our reputation on the continent during the UEFA Cup run, but anyway, he's a good manager, just incredibly stubborn.
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I've never been sure how much of a difference GH's illness actually made in the end. The highlighted bit, which is true, was evident well before he got sick.
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Of course it was yeah, maybe his cautiousness just became more apparent after his illness but his judgement definitely wavered. I know he'd always sign the odd shit player but after his illness we went tits up both on the pitch and in the transfer market.
It's very true to say that under both Houllier and Benitez, in isolated moments, we had two fucking great teams, full of marvellous talents like Fowler, Owen, Gerrard, Carra, Babbel, Torres, Hyypia, Riise, Alonso, Masher, Reina, Gary Mac, etc.
But for myriad reasons - tactics, luck, injuries, insanity, Lucas, squad depth, beachballs, whatever, those teams often approached and achieved greatness, but not for long enough, or consistently enough to win the title.
Which is the *only* true measure of a great team. You don't win the title - you aren't one.
But for myriad reasons - tactics, luck, injuries, insanity, Lucas, squad depth, beachballs, whatever, those teams often approached and achieved greatness, but not for long enough, or consistently enough to win the title.
Which is the *only* true measure of a great team. You don't win the title - you aren't one.
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Which is the *only* true measure of a great team. You don't win the title - you aren't one.
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small margins though, gh missed out on the title by 7 points to a record breaking arsenal and rafa missed out by 4 points to a record breaking manu (most clean sheets).
Which is the *only* true measure of a great team. You don't win the title - you aren't one.
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small margins though, gh missed out on the title by 7 points to a record breaking arsenal and rafa missed out by 4 points to a record breaking manu (most clean sheets).
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which is fair enough, you must admit though it's harder than ever to win the league.
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which is fair enough, you must admit though it's harder than ever to win the league.
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which is fair enough, you must admit though it's harder than ever to win the league.
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i dunno about that, i think things have equalised a bit in the last couple of years. the hardest it's ever been was in 2005, 2006 and 2007, with a club spending truly astonishing amounts of money and in possession of one of the best managers in europe.
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which is fair enough, you must admit though it's harder than ever to win the league.
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i dunno about that, i think things have equalised a bit in the last couple of years. the hardest it's ever been was in 2005, 2006 and 2007, with a club spending truly astonishing amounts of money and in possession of one of the best managers in europe.
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which is fair enough, you must admit though it's harder than ever to win the league.
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I don't think it is Neil, I think you have seasons where teams fall away (which you could argue Chelsea and Arsenal did two seasons ago) so the points totals can be impacted by that. Then you have seasons like Peter said where Chelsea were on top of everything financially and managerially. Over the last few years the league has gotten increasingly more competitive.
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which is fair enough, you must admit though it's harder than ever to win the league.
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I don't think it is Neil, I think you have seasons where teams fall away (which you could argue Chelsea and Arsenal did two seasons ago) so the points totals can be impacted by that. Then you have seasons like Peter said where Chelsea were on top of everything financially and managerially. Over the last few years the league has gotten increasingly more competitive.
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Which is the *only* true measure of a great team. You don't win the title - you aren't one.
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small margins though, gh missed out on the title by 7 points to a record breaking arsenal and rafa missed out by 4 points to a record breaking manu (most clean sheets).
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We actually lost less games than them that season, I think.
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Which is the *only* true measure of a great team. You don't win the title - you aren't one.
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small margins though, gh missed out on the title by 7 points to a record breaking arsenal and rafa missed out by 4 points to a record breaking manu (most clean sheets).
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We actually lost less games than them that season, I think.
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