German article on the recent occurrence of cardiac issues in football

[SummerOnions]

I've basically abandoned GC bc it's a bag of wank the past year or so. Let's not bring that stuff in here.

It could be cos you're going on less benders

 

[darkstarexodus]

It could be cos you're going on less benders

Nah, I stopped going on regular benders a few years ago and GC wasn't shite then.

 

[SummerOnions]

Nah, I stopped going on regular benders a few years ago and GC wasn't shite then.

Haha yeah I was joking. If I stumble in there at 7am my brain can't handle it.

I think in general it's just missing new conversation. Everything loaded up onto the same thread

 

[darkstarexodus]

Haha yeah I was joking. If I stumble in there at 7am my brain can't handle it.

I think in general it's just missing new conversation. Everything loaded up onto the same thread

What the GC could use is more graphs. We definitely haven't had enough graphs.

 

[Atlas]

Are we adding Baseball players to this list?

 

[StevieM]

Haha yeah I was joking. If I stumble in there at 7am my brain can't handle it.

I think in general it's just missing new conversation. Everything loaded up onto the same thread

You’ll just have Dantes bring mental in more threads - those 2 threads are designed to keep him busy... you know... like a kitten with a ball of wool... or setting two shovels up against a wall and asking Dreamie to take his pick.

He’ll be out wandering around the forums calling everyone woke snowflakes everywhere before you know it.

No-one will be safe.

Our only hope is some newbie calls him a lefty... and he goes into s state of shock for a few days like that last time.

 

[Rosco]

 

[Rosco]

5 times as many footballer have dropped dead this year than typically.


I'm sure it nothing to worry about

 

[Woland]

Covid is bad yeah

 

[Hansern]

Obsessed much….

 

[StevieM]

The Gold Coast teen in the top left story was back playing football again last week with a little defib fitted to her heart - don’t think that one is likely to be COVID related at all.

 

[Markeh]

Someone might have a point

https://www.wsj.com/articles/resear...covid-19-vaccines-and-myocarditis-11636290002

As U.S. health authorities expand use of the leading Covid-19 vaccines, researchers investigating heart-related risks linked to the shots are exploring several emerging theories, including one centered on the spike protein made in response to vaccination.

Researchers aren’t certain why the messenger RNA vaccines, one from Pfizer Inc. and partner BioNTech SE and the other from Moderna Inc., are likely causing the inflammatory heart conditions myocarditis and pericarditis in a small number of cases.

Some theories center on the type of spike protein that a person makes in response to the mRNA vaccines. The mRNA itself or other components of the vaccines, researchers say, could also be setting off certain inflammatory responses in some people.

One new theory under examination: improper injections of the vaccine directly into a vein, which sends the vaccine to heart muscle.

To find answers, some doctors and scientists are running tests in lab dishes and examining heart-tissue samples from people who developed myocarditis or pericarditis after getting vaccinated.


Myocarditis describes inflammation of the heart muscle, while pericarditis refers to inflammation of the sac surrounding the muscle.

Covid-19 itself can cause both conditions. They have also been reported in a smaller number of people who got an mRNA vaccine, most commonly in men under 30 years and adolescent males.

About 877 confirmed cases of myocarditis in vaccinated people under 30 years have been reported in the U.S., out of 86 million mRNA vaccine doses administered, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The risk is higher within seven days of the second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, the Food and Drug Administration says. Most myocarditis cases in vaccinated people are relatively mild, and patients get better on their own or with minimal treatment, doctors say.

The CDC recommends that anyone 5 years and older should get vaccinated, saying the benefits of preventing Covid-19 illness, hospitalizations and death far outweigh the risk of myocarditis, even in younger males.

Researchers have been trying to understand the link between the cases and vaccination, as health authorities expand the vaccination campaign by recommending boosters and broadening use of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine to younger children.

The FDA has, however, held up authorizing use of the Moderna vaccine in adolescents while it investigates the risk.

Some theories about the vaccines’ link to myocarditis center on the spike protein on the surface of the coronavirus.

The spike protein helps the virus gain entry into human cells to replicate. The mRNA vaccines are designed to cause the body to make a certain version of the spike protein, which then sets off an immune response.

The immune response includes neutralizing antibodies that target the spike protein and thereby block the virus’s ability to get inside cells and replicate. The immune response can protect a person against Covid-19 or lessen its severity if someone is exposed to the virus.

Yet there may be similarities between the spike protein and proteins found in the heart muscle, prompting the body’s immune defenses to mobilize against the heart, according to Biykem Bozkurt, a professor of medicine specializing in cardiology at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.

The antibodies against the spike protein may have the unintended effect of acting against heart proteins, said Dr. Bozkurt, who co-wrote a review of vaccine-associated myocarditis in the journal Circulation in July.

This “molecular mimicry” theory hasn’t been fully tested in vaccinated people and doesn’t explain why myocarditis only occurs in certain people, she said.

Some of the mRNA in the vaccines may also be taken up by heart cells known as cardiomyocytes, said Jay Schneider, a consultant in cardiovascular medicine at the Mayo Clinic’s Jacksonville, Fla., campus.

These cells may then produce the spike protein of the coronavirus, which could draw an antibody response against them, Dr. Schneider said. He said he has conducted lab tests and found that heart cells have taken up the Moderna vaccine and then expressed the spike protein.

Dr. Schneider hasn’t yet published results from these experiments in a peer-reviewed journal, and said they should be interpreted with caution.

Some doctors have theorized that improper injections of the vaccines may be contributing.

The shots are supposed to be injected into the shoulder muscle, also known as the deltoid muscle. If the injection accidentally reaches a vein, it could lead to delivery of some of the vaccine to the heart through blood vessels.

Hong Kong researchers found that injecting mice intravenously with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine induced both myocarditis and pericarditis in the animals, according to results published online in August by the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases.

That myocarditis appears to happen more among younger males after vaccination than in other age and sex groups suggests a link to the hormone testosterone, which is usually at high levels in younger males, according to researchers.

Testosterone may heighten an inflammatory immune response, Dr. Bozkurt said, leading to myocarditis in some male adolescents and young men.

Some studies have suggested that Moderna’s vaccine carries a higher risk of myocarditis than Pfizer’s.

 

[Squiggles]

Rosco is trawling the internet to find new ways to refrain from cardio.

 

[Rosco]

I'm doing lots of cardio since I picked up this baby recently

 

[Markeh]

I'm doing lots of cardio since I picked up this baby recently View attachment 2044

Can you get a kfc bucket in that basket?

 

[Rosco]

There's no KFC locally unfortunately.

I can get 20 chicken nuggets in there easily though. I could get 100 in there.

 

[Markeh]

There's no KFC locally unfortunately.

I can get 20 chicken nuggets in there easily though. I could get 100 in there.

kfc has gone to shit anyway you’re better off with the nugz

 

[Rosco]

Sheffield United midfielder John Fleck was taken to hospital after collapsing on the pitch during their Championship match at Reading on Tuesday night.

Play was halted for almost 11 minutes, with Fleck receiving medical treatment and getting back to his feet with the aid of an oxygen mask before he was eventually stretchered off.

Fleck was conscious when taken to hospital for further checks.

"Concerning moments as urgent medical attention needed for John Fleck," Sheffield United said in their live updates on Twitter.

"Play is yet to restart but the Scottish midfielder is on his feet and receiving further medical care

 

[Halmeister]

I remember it being a massive shock, and the first instance that I can recall, when Marc Vivien-Foe collapsed. It's happening with alarming regularity now. Even before the vaccines. I personally think it's probably down to widespread doping in the sport.

 

[Woland]

It'll be because covid causes myocarditis. The NFL were having problems with it way before vaccines got rolled out.

 

[Halmeister]

It'll be because covid causes myocarditis. The NFL were having problems with it way before vaccines got rolled out.

It has been happening at an increasing amount before Covid too, though

 

[Woland]

Yeah maybe, but this is from last August. At least they were screening for it in America. You'd think they would here too

https://www.espn.co.uk/college-foot...vid-19-fuels-power-5-concern-season-viability

 

[dantes]

I remember it being a massive shock, and the first instance that I can recall, when Marc Vivien-Foe collapsed. It's happening with alarming regularity now. Even before the vaccines. I personally think it's probably down to widespread doping in the sport.

How about you stop, delete this post, and wait for more info before commenting?

 

[StevieM]

How about you stop, delete this post, and wait for more info before commenting?

I’m sure he would if he was going definitive - which he wasn’t.

I’m pretty sure, you know what “probably” means, although I can’t be entirely sure.

 

[Halmeister]

How about you stop, delete this post, and wait for more info before commenting?

I'm not pretending that I'm some superior authority that knows for sure.

 

[Halmeister]

"I personally think it's probably..." is a pretty good caveat

 

[dantes]

"I personally think it's probably..." is a pretty good caveat

You know absolutely nothing in this universe definitively, nothing aside from the fact of your own existence. I don't waste time attaching a caveat to something I know with 90% certainty, when I would not do it for something I know with 99.999% certainty. But, when Lippy was triggered and whined about it, I provided the exact probability I had in mind. What happened? He bitched some more and called me a dickhead. So you're full of shit. It's nothing to do with caveats, it's to do with your feels.

 

[Halmeister]

And what are my feels? What am I feeling?

 

[dantes]

And what are my feels? What am I feeling?

I have zero interest in your feels. They are along the lines of racism being a sensitive issue, your feelings on that are irrelevant aside from them being more sensitive and evocative of other feels. So in that instance you're refraining from expressing the most probable explanation until it is 100% undeniable solely because it is about racism. In this case, you feel nothing about footballers abusing steroids, there's no evocative feels for you when it comes to doping, so now you're happy to determine the most probable explanation.

 

[Hansern]

Cant wait for the 1st of December. The forum is gonna be bliss.