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Friend, no longer.

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Yeah it’s strange. VAR is supposed to come in only when there’s a clear and obvious error. So Friend was advised to go check the replay due to his clear and obvious error of not giving a penalty. Hardly fair. But then he’s a shit ref so maybe it’s a culmination of bad decisions?
 
The problem is whether this was for an isolated incident (the penalty) or for overall performance. It could make referees in more reticent to give penalties (which in general would affect those teams that attack more - us for example) as it's easier to defend not giving one than giving one that may define a match.
 
Have a "like" for the title, @Red rose!

And yeah, Kevin Friend is generally considered to be one of the worst Premier League referees. Hope they replace him with someone better.
 
Have a "like" for the title, @Red rose!

And yeah, Kevin Friend is generally considered to be one of the worst Premier League referees. Hope they replace him with someone better.

The league should have full time professional refereres as well, and be open to refs from other countries being in charge of games.

The problem is PGMOL and just the overall level of quality with todays refs.
In general I dont think there is to much wrong with VAR, just the people using it.
 
The league should have full time professional refereres as well, and be open to refs from other countries being in charge of games.

The problem is PGMOL and just the overall level of quality with todays refs.
In general I dont think there is to much wrong with VAR, just the people using it.
They are professional.

The issue is they are abused from grass roots level, so either most of the decent refs think fuck this. And the talent pool is already low because many people don't even want to put themselves through it.

Many years ago I thought about doing a ref course when it was offered to me. However my thought process was I can't be arsed with the abuse. I'm not saying I'd be a good ref btw. I'd have probably been shite.
 
I doubt they're worse now than they used to be. The scrutiny is far greater, partly because the financial stakes are far higher, and the job was always a difficult one anyway, even at lower levels (I ran and played in a side at college, and between games I used to referee or run the line elsewhere to help keep my fitness up).
 
I doubt they're worse now than they used to be. The scrutiny is far greater, partly because the financial stakes are far higher, and the job was always a difficult one anyway, even at lower levels (I ran and played in a side at college, and between games I used to referee or run the line elsewhere to help keep my fitness up).

Yeah, and the game is faster than ever – they needed to improve in many areas just to catch up and not be a total disaster.
 
They are professional.

The issue is they are abused from grass roots level, so either most of the decent refs think fuck this. And the talent pool is already low because many people don't even want to put themselves through it.

Many years ago I thought about doing a ref course when it was offered to me. However my thought process was I can't be arsed with the abuse. I'm not saying I'd be a good ref btw. I'd have probably been shite.
Can I just check my comprehension, here? Is this sort of understanding defence of the refereeing profession "woke"?

I find most referees (including ones in amateur/kids football) are utter bellends and invite the abuse, but that is probably "refist", and also doesnt take into account of whether the egg or chicken came first.

PS - please do not invite the twat in here to discuss
 
And yes if it was for more than one incident on various occasions why highlight Liverpool FC.
The problem is whether this was for an isolated incident (the penalty) or for overall performance. It could make referees in more reticent to give penalties (which in general would affect those teams that attack more - us for example) as it's easier to defend not giving one than giving one that may define a match.
 
Yeah, and the game is faster than ever – they needed to improve in many areas just to catch up and not be a total disaster.
Which makes it even more baffling that there are EPL refs that carry massive guts. How the hell could these people be allowed to be in such shape?
 
But Friend's penalty decision made no difference to the outcome of the match. The ref during the Spurs game cost us millions of dollars in prize money for changing the outcome. He deserves sanctioning more than Friend.
 
Friend probably said he's going to start ignoring the advice from VAR internally.. hence the demotion.
 
It's weird to demote him when VAR told him he made a clear and obvious error.
 
Lets not fool ourselves now. It wasn't a penalty. We've been fucked over before by VAR for sure in more meaningful situations. But Jota initiated contact and had lost control of the ball. The VAR review should have confirmed it was a goal kick.
 
Lets not fool ourselves now. It wasn't a penalty. We've been fucked over before by VAR for sure in more meaningful situations. But Jota initiated contact and had lost control of the ball. The VAR review should have confirmed it was a goal kick.

Completely agree. Which is what makes this more puzzling. He's had VAR in his ear probably telling him all the reasons it's a pen, that he lost his own thought process. Similar to van dijks injury last year. They got bogged down in the offside that the simple thing was overlooked
 
I think the one big area of improvement for referees in England would be the instituting the kind of thought process that would allow them to stick with their on-field decision unless the VAR really shows something they didn't see or consider in the moment. At the moment, every time the ref gets called to the monitor, you know the decision will be overturned (not so in other leagues, from what I saw) – they completely lose the confidence in their own judgement as soon as there is a voice in their ear.
 
I think the one big area of improvement for referees in England would be the instituting the kind of thought process that would allow them to stick with their on-field decision unless the VAR really shows something they didn't see or consider in the moment. At the moment, every time the ref gets called to the monitor, you know the decision will be overturned (not so in other leagues, from what I saw) – they completely lose the confidence in their own judgement as soon as there is a voice in their ear.
Which is also why there should be a panel. It makes so much sense.

If all 3 think it should be reversed. Then it's clear and obvious.

If they don't all agree then the ref can be called over and he can stick with the on field decision etc.
 
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