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Another name I mentioned now we're strongly linked to him. This kid has great ball retention and is very press resistant but he isn't a CDM, he is a CM. We need a CDM more than a CM
http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/threads/midfielders-other-than-bellingham.197420/page-27#post-2215458
Nah, it'll defo be on loan with the option of them giving us money.
Dunno, the cameo I watched v Senegal in his full international debut he's playing a LCM role but in other clips back in Brazil he's very much the deepest of the midfielders.....maybe a bit in the mould of a Douglas Luiz?
His goals/assists record says he's more of a #6 than #8.
It's kinda hard to tell if he's really press resistant playing for fluminese. The league is so slow and have a lot more time on the ball.
Not seen anything to suggest that anywhere but even if that was so, what if for example he completes 45 of 55 passes (so 82% success rate) which isn't great but it isn't awful. Say 7-8 of those passes came via being slightly overhit (forward passes) between the lines or over the defence and only 1 real sloppy misplaced pass and in the same game he wins the ball back in the mid/final third 3 times and on 2 occasions it leads to the build up to goals.
The phrase alone is a bit vague and not much can be taken from it unless someone's seen him enough times.
It was an observation someone on here made from his stats/videos. Obviously stats can be very misleading. What would an 82% pass success rate in Brazil equate to in the PL where time on the ball is far more limited.
Are there any names you haven't mentioned?
Profile and Position
Sitting at 176 cm, Andre is a defensive midfielder who prefers to use his right foot. He’s largely played in the position right in front of the defense in a 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 as the “number 6” in the double-pivot [even if his shirt is number 7]. He’s very dynamic and mobile, and his size gives him the ability to be shifty and quick in his dribbles when carrying the ball out of the back and progressing into the final third. Because of his technical ability on the ball, he’s largely seen waltzing forward and attempting to be as creative as possible whilst maintaining his defensive duties, as evidenced by his heatmap below.
When it comes to pluses and minuses with him before we delve deeper into those said areas, we can reference these two charts courtesy of @ChicagoDmitry and his app McLachBot which also uses FBRef stats for conversion.
It’s evident that the player’s consistent ability to tackle, take people on, and pass the ball is what is key to his success, but with that comes a solid amount of turning the ball over that needs to be worked on as Andre sometimes trusts himself too much via the pass or the dribble, in which case possession is lost and may put the opposition in a position of danger for his own team.
Tackling
What I find most fascinating about Andre is the fact that his ability to tackle opponents rarely relies on him having to go to ground. He is constantly aware of which side of his body he has to shift in order to not be beaten in a 1v1 situation. When facing a counter-attack or anything of sorts, he uses his speed in order to catch up to opponents and pluck the ball away from them. It’s a fantastic attribute to possess when the side presses high up the pitch, but he’s also the main man when it comes to defending transitions.
Furthermore, he manages to excel when it comes to tackles and interceptions and it immediately shows up on the stat sheet. With 5.6 total duels won, of which 5.3 are on the ground and 2 tackles attempted per game, you can tell immediately what his main task is – win the ball and place it either to a teammate or progress by himself. He’s also managed to only be dribbled past, on average, once per game.
Passing/Playmaking
It might sound like it from the title above but no, Andre is most certainly not a playmaker or a creative focal point for his team. He has a high percentage of successful passes, yes, but most of those are aimed at keeping possession tight and the side in control, rather than needle-threading balls that aim to split defenses open. In a way, the young player resembles Arsenal’s Jorginho by moving a lot and trying to keep recycling play through him, but most of his passes are sideways/backwards in order to keep beating the minor/major press and subsequently tiring out the opponent.
That being said, it’s no knock on him and it doesn’t mean his game is solely based on that, but he’s not someone who Flu hope to have creating from deep. Andre is smart, he knows who to pick out with his passes and when, and he aims to quickly distribute the ball to another receiver on the flanks or in the middle who can progress the ball even quicker, or simply just recycle it to a defender/full-back and move into space in order to receive. As such, he manages roughly 86 touches per game with a good 66.4 accurate passes per game, which is 92% of his total passes. He splits 34 of those in his own half and 32 of those in the opposition half, showcasing said quick distribution whilst also giving away the key areas he occupies when receiving the ball.
In comparison, he rarely attempts more long-range passes, although he’s quite successful with them [3 successful on average – 77%]. It begs the question why he doesn’t attempt it even more as in comparison Joao Gomes [1.2/63 % but a low number] and Danilo [2.6 but 54%] have both struggled when it comes to consistency in that department. Below is a chart of all of Andre’s touches in the last 5 games of Fluminense, demonstrating how active he wants to be in the all-round game rather than just being a pure destroyer.
Dribbling
Similarly to Joao Gomes during his time at Flamengo, Andre is also tasked with moving the ball high up the pitch if no option is available. Due to his size and his shiftiness, one of his best attributes is his dribbling. As he aims to beat opponents 1v1, dribble out of the press or simply just progress play in a different way, Andre is surprisingly crafty, racking up 2.3 successful dribbles last season and 1.3 this year, although in a shorter period of time.
His short frame and ability to use his weaker foot in tight spaces help him turn quickly whilst keeping his balance and beating his opponent. That being said, it’s where one of his main flaws arises. As much as Andre is very good on the dribble and very confident in his ability to beat his man, he sometimes becomes overly confident.
Trusting himself to move past his marker with the ball at his feet is what sometimes gets the better of him as he’s quickly dispossessed, which in turn leads to quick transitions against Fluminense. He is working on improving that aspect of his game, but he carries on having a bad “turnover” stat as seen in the chart above, and in 2022, he’s managed to lose possession off a bad pass or dribble 8.5 times which is a definite issue for someone sitting in front of the center backs.
Sitting at 176 cm, Andre is a defensive midfielder who prefers to use his right foot. He’s largely played in the position right in front of the defense in a 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 as the “number 6” in the double-pivot [even if his shirt is number 7]. He’s very dynamic and mobile, and his size gives him the ability to be shifty and quick in his dribbles when carrying the ball out of the back and progressing into the final third. Because of his technical ability on the ball, he’s largely seen waltzing forward and attempting to be as creative as possible whilst maintaining his defensive duties, as evidenced by his heatmap below.
When it comes to pluses and minuses with him before we delve deeper into those said areas, we can reference these two charts courtesy of @ChicagoDmitry and his app McLachBot which also uses FBRef stats for conversion.
It’s evident that the player’s consistent ability to tackle, take people on, and pass the ball is what is key to his success, but with that comes a solid amount of turning the ball over that needs to be worked on as Andre sometimes trusts himself too much via the pass or the dribble, in which case possession is lost and may put the opposition in a position of danger for his own team.
Tackling
What I find most fascinating about Andre is the fact that his ability to tackle opponents rarely relies on him having to go to ground. He is constantly aware of which side of his body he has to shift in order to not be beaten in a 1v1 situation. When facing a counter-attack or anything of sorts, he uses his speed in order to catch up to opponents and pluck the ball away from them. It’s a fantastic attribute to possess when the side presses high up the pitch, but he’s also the main man when it comes to defending transitions.
Furthermore, he manages to excel when it comes to tackles and interceptions and it immediately shows up on the stat sheet. With 5.6 total duels won, of which 5.3 are on the ground and 2 tackles attempted per game, you can tell immediately what his main task is – win the ball and place it either to a teammate or progress by himself. He’s also managed to only be dribbled past, on average, once per game.
Passing/Playmaking
It might sound like it from the title above but no, Andre is most certainly not a playmaker or a creative focal point for his team. He has a high percentage of successful passes, yes, but most of those are aimed at keeping possession tight and the side in control, rather than needle-threading balls that aim to split defenses open. In a way, the young player resembles Arsenal’s Jorginho by moving a lot and trying to keep recycling play through him, but most of his passes are sideways/backwards in order to keep beating the minor/major press and subsequently tiring out the opponent.
That being said, it’s no knock on him and it doesn’t mean his game is solely based on that, but he’s not someone who Flu hope to have creating from deep. Andre is smart, he knows who to pick out with his passes and when, and he aims to quickly distribute the ball to another receiver on the flanks or in the middle who can progress the ball even quicker, or simply just recycle it to a defender/full-back and move into space in order to receive. As such, he manages roughly 86 touches per game with a good 66.4 accurate passes per game, which is 92% of his total passes. He splits 34 of those in his own half and 32 of those in the opposition half, showcasing said quick distribution whilst also giving away the key areas he occupies when receiving the ball.
In comparison, he rarely attempts more long-range passes, although he’s quite successful with them [3 successful on average – 77%]. It begs the question why he doesn’t attempt it even more as in comparison Joao Gomes [1.2/63 % but a low number] and Danilo [2.6 but 54%] have both struggled when it comes to consistency in that department. Below is a chart of all of Andre’s touches in the last 5 games of Fluminense, demonstrating how active he wants to be in the all-round game rather than just being a pure destroyer.
Dribbling
Similarly to Joao Gomes during his time at Flamengo, Andre is also tasked with moving the ball high up the pitch if no option is available. Due to his size and his shiftiness, one of his best attributes is his dribbling. As he aims to beat opponents 1v1, dribble out of the press or simply just progress play in a different way, Andre is surprisingly crafty, racking up 2.3 successful dribbles last season and 1.3 this year, although in a shorter period of time.
His short frame and ability to use his weaker foot in tight spaces help him turn quickly whilst keeping his balance and beating his opponent. That being said, it’s where one of his main flaws arises. As much as Andre is very good on the dribble and very confident in his ability to beat his man, he sometimes becomes overly confident.
Trusting himself to move past his marker with the ball at his feet is what sometimes gets the better of him as he’s quickly dispossessed, which in turn leads to quick transitions against Fluminense. He is working on improving that aspect of his game, but he carries on having a bad “turnover” stat as seen in the chart above, and in 2022, he’s managed to lose possession off a bad pass or dribble 8.5 times which is a definite issue for someone sitting in front of the center backs.
What if we can find a link between him and Brighton?
Is he then guaranteed to be any resemblance to that of a generational talent?
No one is like King Binny. There is only one King.
I’m more Prince Charming with poor copy + paste skills.
Some highly dubious comments there. Excited about his tackling? Which is crap in the first chart (ignore the second based on 345 mins) vs the MLS and some other dubious leagues? Those don't look like the stats of a DM.Profile and Position
Sitting at 176 cm, Andre is a defensive midfielder who prefers to use his right foot. He’s largely played in the position right in front of the defense in a 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 as the “number 6” in the double-pivot [even if his shirt is number 7]. He’s very dynamic and mobile, and his size gives him the ability to be shifty and quick in his dribbles when carrying the ball out of the back and progressing into the final third. Because of his technical ability on the ball, he’s largely seen waltzing forward and attempting to be as creative as possible whilst maintaining his defensive duties, as evidenced by his heatmap below.
When it comes to pluses and minuses with him before we delve deeper into those said areas, we can reference these two charts courtesy of @ChicagoDmitry and his app McLachBot which also uses FBRef stats for conversion.
It’s evident that the player’s consistent ability to tackle, take people on, and pass the ball is what is key to his success, but with that comes a solid amount of turning the ball over that needs to be worked on as Andre sometimes trusts himself too much via the pass or the dribble, in which case possession is lost and may put the opposition in a position of danger for his own team.
Tackling
What I find most fascinating about Andre is the fact that his ability to tackle opponents rarely relies on him having to go to ground. He is constantly aware of which side of his body he has to shift in order to not be beaten in a 1v1 situation. When facing a counter-attack or anything of sorts, he uses his speed in order to catch up to opponents and pluck the ball away from them. It’s a fantastic attribute to possess when the side presses high up the pitch, but he’s also the main man when it comes to defending transitions.
Furthermore, he manages to excel when it comes to tackles and interceptions and it immediately shows up on the stat sheet. With 5.6 total duels won, of which 5.3 are on the ground and 2 tackles attempted per game, you can tell immediately what his main task is – win the ball and place it either to a teammate or progress by himself. He’s also managed to only be dribbled past, on average, once per game.
Passing/Playmaking
It might sound like it from the title above but no, Andre is most certainly not a playmaker or a creative focal point for his team. He has a high percentage of successful passes, yes, but most of those are aimed at keeping possession tight and the side in control, rather than needle-threading balls that aim to split defenses open. In a way, the young player resembles Arsenal’s Jorginho by moving a lot and trying to keep recycling play through him, but most of his passes are sideways/backwards in order to keep beating the minor/major press and subsequently tiring out the opponent.
That being said, it’s no knock on him and it doesn’t mean his game is solely based on that, but he’s not someone who Flu hope to have creating from deep. Andre is smart, he knows who to pick out with his passes and when, and he aims to quickly distribute the ball to another receiver on the flanks or in the middle who can progress the ball even quicker, or simply just recycle it to a defender/full-back and move into space in order to receive. As such, he manages roughly 86 touches per game with a good 66.4 accurate passes per game, which is 92% of his total passes. He splits 34 of those in his own half and 32 of those in the opposition half, showcasing said quick distribution whilst also giving away the key areas he occupies when receiving the ball.
In comparison, he rarely attempts more long-range passes, although he’s quite successful with them [3 successful on average – 77%]. It begs the question why he doesn’t attempt it even more as in comparison Joao Gomes [1.2/63 % but a low number] and Danilo [2.6 but 54%] have both struggled when it comes to consistency in that department. Below is a chart of all of Andre’s touches in the last 5 games of Fluminense, demonstrating how active he wants to be in the all-round game rather than just being a pure destroyer.
Dribbling
Similarly to Joao Gomes during his time at Flamengo, Andre is also tasked with moving the ball high up the pitch if no option is available. Due to his size and his shiftiness, one of his best attributes is his dribbling. As he aims to beat opponents 1v1, dribble out of the press or simply just progress play in a different way, Andre is surprisingly crafty, racking up 2.3 successful dribbles last season and 1.3 this year, although in a shorter period of time.
His short frame and ability to use his weaker foot in tight spaces help him turn quickly whilst keeping his balance and beating his opponent. That being said, it’s where one of his main flaws arises. As much as Andre is very good on the dribble and very confident in his ability to beat his man, he sometimes becomes overly confident.
Trusting himself to move past his marker with the ball at his feet is what sometimes gets the better of him as he’s quickly dispossessed, which in turn leads to quick transitions against Fluminense. He is working on improving that aspect of his game, but he carries on having a bad “turnover” stat as seen in the chart above, and in 2022, he’s managed to lose possession off a bad pass or dribble 8.5 times which is a definite issue for someone sitting in front of the center backs.
It's a valid point but he's playing in a Fluminese side at 20/21 years of age, in a much better team he could rise to the challenge and find it more comfortable playing around more technical players, and yes stats of course can be misleading but other than highlights/clips of him that's all we really have to go by for someone pretty much no one wouldn't seen live.
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I'm only messing with you Hansern, anyone who's a founding member of SCM is a king in their own right in my eyes!!!!! & I'm not oblivious to know you are 1 of the top dogs on that tree. 🙂
I think it's Fluminese who have the most fucked up formation I have ever seen. No distinguished patterns of play, players follow the ball and group together in regions of the pitch, etc.
Welldone for uploading the images, it isn't easyProfile and Position
Sitting at 176 cm, Andre is a defensive midfielder who prefers to use his right foot. He’s largely played in the position right in front of the defense in a 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 as the “number 6” in the double-pivot [even if his shirt is number 7]. He’s very dynamic and mobile, and his size gives him the ability to be shifty and quick in his dribbles when carrying the ball out of the back and progressing into the final third. Because of his technical ability on the ball, he’s largely seen waltzing forward and attempting to be as creative as possible whilst maintaining his defensive duties, as evidenced by his heatmap below.
When it comes to pluses and minuses with him before we delve deeper into those said areas, we can reference these two charts courtesy of @ChicagoDmitry and his app McLachBot which also uses FBRef stats for conversion.
It’s evident that the player’s consistent ability to tackle, take people on, and pass the ball is what is key to his success, but with that comes a solid amount of turning the ball over that needs to be worked on as Andre sometimes trusts himself too much via the pass or the dribble, in which case possession is lost and may put the opposition in a position of danger for his own team.
Tackling
What I find most fascinating about Andre is the fact that his ability to tackle opponents rarely relies on him having to go to ground. He is constantly aware of which side of his body he has to shift in order to not be beaten in a 1v1 situation. When facing a counter-attack or anything of sorts, he uses his speed in order to catch up to opponents and pluck the ball away from them. It’s a fantastic attribute to possess when the side presses high up the pitch, but he’s also the main man when it comes to defending transitions.
Furthermore, he manages to excel when it comes to tackles and interceptions and it immediately shows up on the stat sheet. With 5.6 total duels won, of which 5.3 are on the ground and 2 tackles attempted per game, you can tell immediately what his main task is – win the ball and place it either to a teammate or progress by himself. He’s also managed to only be dribbled past, on average, once per game.
Passing/Playmaking
It might sound like it from the title above but no, Andre is most certainly not a playmaker or a creative focal point for his team. He has a high percentage of successful passes, yes, but most of those are aimed at keeping possession tight and the side in control, rather than needle-threading balls that aim to split defenses open. In a way, the young player resembles Arsenal’s Jorginho by moving a lot and trying to keep recycling play through him, but most of his passes are sideways/backwards in order to keep beating the minor/major press and subsequently tiring out the opponent.
That being said, it’s no knock on him and it doesn’t mean his game is solely based on that, but he’s not someone who Flu hope to have creating from deep. Andre is smart, he knows who to pick out with his passes and when, and he aims to quickly distribute the ball to another receiver on the flanks or in the middle who can progress the ball even quicker, or simply just recycle it to a defender/full-back and move into space in order to receive. As such, he manages roughly 86 touches per game with a good 66.4 accurate passes per game, which is 92% of his total passes. He splits 34 of those in his own half and 32 of those in the opposition half, showcasing said quick distribution whilst also giving away the key areas he occupies when receiving the ball.
In comparison, he rarely attempts more long-range passes, although he’s quite successful with them [3 successful on average – 77%]. It begs the question why he doesn’t attempt it even more as in comparison Joao Gomes [1.2/63 % but a low number] and Danilo [2.6 but 54%] have both struggled when it comes to consistency in that department. Below is a chart of all of Andre’s touches in the last 5 games of Fluminense, demonstrating how active he wants to be in the all-round game rather than just being a pure destroyer.
Dribbling
Similarly to Joao Gomes during his time at Flamengo, Andre is also tasked with moving the ball high up the pitch if no option is available. Due to his size and his shiftiness, one of his best attributes is his dribbling. As he aims to beat opponents 1v1, dribble out of the press or simply just progress play in a different way, Andre is surprisingly crafty, racking up 2.3 successful dribbles last season and 1.3 this year, although in a shorter period of time.
His short frame and ability to use his weaker foot in tight spaces help him turn quickly whilst keeping his balance and beating his opponent. That being said, it’s where one of his main flaws arises. As much as Andre is very good on the dribble and very confident in his ability to beat his man, he sometimes becomes overly confident.
Trusting himself to move past his marker with the ball at his feet is what sometimes gets the better of him as he’s quickly dispossessed, which in turn leads to quick transitions against Fluminense. He is working on improving that aspect of his game, but he carries on having a bad “turnover” stat as seen in the chart above, and in 2022, he’s managed to lose possession off a bad pass or dribble 8.5 times which is a definite issue for someone sitting in front of the center backs.
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