For fucks sake. Hodgson's flipchart
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[quote author=crump link=topic=43217.msg1235287#msg1235287 date=1292704761]
Define reality then you nobthrob. It's comedy innit.
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no need to get angry, crump. I was just saying it's hearsay, believable hearsay mind, but hearsay nonetheless.
Define reality then you nobthrob. It's comedy innit.
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no need to get angry, crump. I was just saying it's hearsay, believable hearsay mind, but hearsay nonetheless.
Footballers are not very bright, remember. I can see Carra and Gerrard preferring a manager who talks to the players and engages with them on a regular basis - like Houllier. You would think most players would like that, but it could be a cultural thing. Benitez was seen to be cold, authoritarian and distant. It could just be the Spanish speaking players preferring a Spanish manager, but it could also be that they want their manager to be a proper latino patriarch. And that the style of cosy old Roy doesnt command the same respect.
Let's be absolutely clear, besides Kenny, Steven Gerrard is more important than ANYONE currently employed by LFC, and I would hope his views are considered appropriately.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=43217.msg1235325#msg1235325 date=1292713864]
Let's be absolutely clear, besides Kenny, Steven Gerrard is more important than ANYONE currently employed by LFC, and I would hope his views are considered appropriately.
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even if he were an advocate of the long term appointment of roy?
Let's be absolutely clear, besides Kenny, Steven Gerrard is more important than ANYONE currently employed by LFC, and I would hope his views are considered appropriately.
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even if he were an advocate of the long term appointment of roy?
I'm fucking hammereed if that helps?
REALLY hammered. I thank you.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=43217.msg1235325#msg1235325 date=1292713864]
Let's be absolutely clear, besides Kenny, Steven Gerrard is more important than ANYONE currently employed by LFC, and I would hope his views are considered appropriately.
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I concur, although Roy is a useless wanker that should never have been employed in the first place.
Let's be absolutely clear, besides Kenny, Steven Gerrard is more important than ANYONE currently employed by LFC, and I would hope his views are considered appropriately.
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I concur, although Roy is a useless wanker that should never have been employed in the first place.
Must say I'm a bit suspicious of the opening post (sorry crump). It just reads exactly like the kind of thing that the Benitez cult would want to be true about Hodgson. All that attention to detail re the opponents... how many times was Rafa slagged off for obsessing over the other team rather than just sending LFC out to 'play their own way'. Now Roy's getting slagged for the opposite. Plus, who's supposed to have leaked all this information? One of the players? One of the scouts? Commoli himself?
I don't know... I've come to hate Hodgson for the stuff I hear him say in the media and the stuff I watch us do on the pitch. I don't need dubious rumours like these to make me want him gone. And what worries me is the timing, with Benitez making ultimata in Milan. PLEASE don't bring him back!
I don't know... I've come to hate Hodgson for the stuff I hear him say in the media and the stuff I watch us do on the pitch. I don't need dubious rumours like these to make me want him gone. And what worries me is the timing, with Benitez making ultimata in Milan. PLEASE don't bring him back!
I would take most of this with a pinch of salt.
However this sort of thing is what happens if you think players have , or at least voice, an opinion.
It's up to the owners/executive management to say who or who is not right for the club.
I think the job has turned out too big for Roy, I think he is a rabbit caught in the headlamps, but the last few games I would say it's down to the players including Torres, in particular, and Maxi that we dropped points.
I don't think John Henry for one minute can't see what is going on , or need a bunch of over-paid under-achieving employees, to tell him who they like or don't like.
regards
However this sort of thing is what happens if you think players have , or at least voice, an opinion.
It's up to the owners/executive management to say who or who is not right for the club.
I think the job has turned out too big for Roy, I think he is a rabbit caught in the headlamps, but the last few games I would say it's down to the players including Torres, in particular, and Maxi that we dropped points.
I don't think John Henry for one minute can't see what is going on , or need a bunch of over-paid under-achieving employees, to tell him who they like or don't like.
regards
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=43217.msg1235413#msg1235413 date=1292759540]
I wouldn't be surprised if Carragher is supporting him given the recent contract renewal. I have no idea about the rest of them.
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it would be easy to dismiss anyone's opinion who supports roy but kenny supports roy.
I wouldn't be surprised if Carragher is supporting him given the recent contract renewal. I have no idea about the rest of them.
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it would be easy to dismiss anyone's opinion who supports roy but kenny supports roy.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=43217.msg1235416#msg1235416 date=1292760377]
I don't think John Henry for one minute can't see what is going on , or need a bunch of over-paid under-achieving employees, to tell him who they like or don't like.
regards
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if henry/nesv have a vision for the club then I doubt they will let any individual stand in the way of that vision regardless of the individuals standing at the club.
I don't think John Henry for one minute can't see what is going on , or need a bunch of over-paid under-achieving employees, to tell him who they like or don't like.
regards
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if henry/nesv have a vision for the club then I doubt they will let any individual stand in the way of that vision regardless of the individuals standing at the club.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=43217.msg1235413#msg1235413 date=1292759540]
I wouldn't be surprised if Carragher is supporting him given the recent contract renewal. I have no idea about the rest of them.
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it would be easy to dismiss anyone's opinion who supports roy but kenny supports roy.
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Kenny supports Roy, because Roy is manager of the Club, and Kenny works for the Club.
Kenny was involved in picking Roy, because he was best of what was left after the first 2 choices said no, and Kenny was told he wasn't eligable.
Kenny wanted the job for himself, presumably because he KNEW he'd be a better manager than Roy
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=43217.msg1235413#msg1235413 date=1292759540]
I wouldn't be surprised if Carragher is supporting him given the recent contract renewal. I have no idea about the rest of them.
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it would be easy to dismiss anyone's opinion who supports roy but kenny supports roy.
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Kenny supports Roy, because Roy is manager of the Club, and Kenny works for the Club.
Kenny was involved in picking Roy, because he was best of what was left after the first 2 choices said no, and Kenny was told he wasn't eligable.
Kenny wanted the job for himself, presumably because he KNEW he'd be a better manager than Roy
Fucking hell.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=43217.msg1235416#msg1235416 date=1292760377]
I would take most of this with a pinch of salt.
However this sort of thing is what happens if you think players have , or at least voice, an opinion.
It's up to the owners/executive management to say who or who is not right for the club.
I think the job has turned out too big for Roy, I think he is a rabbit caught in the headlamps, but the last few games I would say it's down to the players including Torres, in particular, and Maxi that we dropped points.
I don't think John Henry for one minute can't see what is going on , or need a bunch of over-paid under-achieving employees, to tell him who they like or don't like.
regards
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Great post. At every club, whenever there is a power vacuum at the top, the most influential players tend to step up and fill that vacuum and in 99% of the cases, it ends up in disaster. We have not had strong leadership for the best part of 18 months. It is now imperative that NESV step up and let everyone know who the boss is.
I would take most of this with a pinch of salt.
However this sort of thing is what happens if you think players have , or at least voice, an opinion.
It's up to the owners/executive management to say who or who is not right for the club.
I think the job has turned out too big for Roy, I think he is a rabbit caught in the headlamps, but the last few games I would say it's down to the players including Torres, in particular, and Maxi that we dropped points.
I don't think John Henry for one minute can't see what is going on , or need a bunch of over-paid under-achieving employees, to tell him who they like or don't like.
regards
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Great post. At every club, whenever there is a power vacuum at the top, the most influential players tend to step up and fill that vacuum and in 99% of the cases, it ends up in disaster. We have not had strong leadership for the best part of 18 months. It is now imperative that NESV step up and let everyone know who the boss is.
Yeah, it's great when a club's owner stands up and let's everyone know who the boss is.
I love it when Abramovich does it, and I bet the Chelsea fans do too. Or those Indian chicken farmers at Blackburn. Or that fat cunt Mike Ashley.
It's ace!
The fucking boss is the manager.
I don't want to hear a fucking dickie-bird from some foreign cunt who knows fuck all about the club, or some foreign cunt glorified scout with a stupid job title.
Employ a proper manager, sign cheques, help build the squad, shut the fuck up.
I love it when Abramovich does it, and I bet the Chelsea fans do too. Or those Indian chicken farmers at Blackburn. Or that fat cunt Mike Ashley.
It's ace!
The fucking boss is the manager.
I don't want to hear a fucking dickie-bird from some foreign cunt who knows fuck all about the club, or some foreign cunt glorified scout with a stupid job title.
Employ a proper manager, sign cheques, help build the squad, shut the fuck up.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43217.msg1235479#msg1235479 date=1292779317]
Yeah, it's great when a club's owner stands up and let's everyone know who the boss is.
I love it when Abramovich does it, and I bet the Chelsea fans do too. Or those Indian chicken farmers at Blackburn. Or that fat cunt Mike Ashley.
It's ace!
The fucking boss is the manager.
I don't want to hear a fucking dickie-bird from some foreign cunt who knows fuck all about the club, or some foreign cunt glorified scout with a stupid job title.
Employ a proper manager, sign cheques, help build the squad, shut the fuck up.
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That's the way it perhaps should be Bren, but it's probably a thing of the past. In the old scheme of things the Chairman was just that , the head of a committee that ran the club, and in the majority of cases the important decisions were collective ones. Few people outside Liverpool would have know who Sir John Smith was despite him presiding over the most successful club in the country. Yes even then there were a few publicity seeking chairman, Manny Cousins from Leeds and Bob Lord from Burnley for example.
These days Chairmen are a thing of the past, certainly in the premiership, and it's now owners, collective decisions are no more, it's the owners that hire and fire and so become better known, it's also the owners that carry the can from the fans. I don't see NESV and Henry being along the lines of those mentioned, but we need a strong owner , and it's up to him to decide who has the most important job in the club, not the players, regardless of how influential they are, or it all just becomes, well.....unmanageable, and risks creating factions in the dressing room, which can't happen
regards
Yeah, it's great when a club's owner stands up and let's everyone know who the boss is.
I love it when Abramovich does it, and I bet the Chelsea fans do too. Or those Indian chicken farmers at Blackburn. Or that fat cunt Mike Ashley.
It's ace!
The fucking boss is the manager.
I don't want to hear a fucking dickie-bird from some foreign cunt who knows fuck all about the club, or some foreign cunt glorified scout with a stupid job title.
Employ a proper manager, sign cheques, help build the squad, shut the fuck up.
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That's the way it perhaps should be Bren, but it's probably a thing of the past. In the old scheme of things the Chairman was just that , the head of a committee that ran the club, and in the majority of cases the important decisions were collective ones. Few people outside Liverpool would have know who Sir John Smith was despite him presiding over the most successful club in the country. Yes even then there were a few publicity seeking chairman, Manny Cousins from Leeds and Bob Lord from Burnley for example.
These days Chairmen are a thing of the past, certainly in the premiership, and it's now owners, collective decisions are no more, it's the owners that hire and fire and so become better known, it's also the owners that carry the can from the fans. I don't see NESV and Henry being along the lines of those mentioned, but we need a strong owner , and it's up to him to decide who has the most important job in the club, not the players, regardless of how influential they are, or it all just becomes, well.....unmanageable, and risks creating factions in the dressing room, which can't happen
regards
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=43217.msg1235325#msg1235325 date=1292713864]
Let's be absolutely clear, besides Kenny, Steven Gerrard is more important than ANYONE currently employed by LFC, and I would hope his views are considered appropriately.
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Just because he is important it doesn't mean he is right, and if he is supporting Roy then he clearly isn't.
Let's be absolutely clear, besides Kenny, Steven Gerrard is more important than ANYONE currently employed by LFC, and I would hope his views are considered appropriately.
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Just because he is important it doesn't mean he is right, and if he is supporting Roy then he clearly isn't.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=43217.msg1235620#msg1235620 date=1292841910]
These niggling rumours about there being a problem between Roy and Reina/Torres just don't seem to be going away, do they?
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But why shouldnt it be a problem. They are two ambitious players, with international gold medals to their name, and they are given this fuckhead of an idiot to work with...
These niggling rumours about there being a problem between Roy and Reina/Torres just don't seem to be going away, do they?
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But why shouldnt it be a problem. They are two ambitious players, with international gold medals to their name, and they are given this fuckhead of an idiot to work with...
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