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What about all the footballers who have collapsed and died during matches. They obviously had cardiac issues..
 
the count said:
What about all the footballers who have collapsed and died during matches. They obviously had cardiac issues..
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Yeah and they were legging it all over the place and knackered and suddenly popped. How could one possibly replicate those circumstances in a bedroom on your own? I wonder... Hmmm...
 
Woland said:
Yeah and they were legging it all over the place and knackered and suddenly popped. How could one possibly replicate those circumstances in a bedroom on your own? I wonder... Hmmm...
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I don't think they necessarily were.
I do know a top level Inter county Gaelic football player died in his sleep from an undiagnosed heart defect a few years back.
Didn't Muamba have similar and he nearly died as well
 
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I don't think they necessarily were.
I do know a top level Inter county Gaelic football player died in his sleep from an undiagnosed heart defect a few years back.
Didn't Muamba have similar and he nearly died as well
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I think the dead funny thing about Muamba was he was pronounced dead but they got him going again, then he was in a coma for ages, and he's dead religious, so his priest asked him what heaven was like and he said he saw nothing. It just went black and then a few weeks later he woke up in hospital. What a totally shit evangelist. Anyways, he was running around and playing footy. Your man playing Gaelic footy had been doing steroids since he was a kid and had just done a load of beak.
 
the count said:
What about all the footballers who have collapsed and died during matches. They obviously had cardiac issues..
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Was curious in to that, so looked in to muamba as a recent case.

Hearts have 2 things that can fuck up; pacing and structure.

Muamba seems to be pacing, as he needed a pacemaker afterwards (possibly AV node block). This is something that can just happen. Sometimes the cells that control hearts rhythm can just fuck up in a moment's notice.

Case of astori, he could have just had a massive cardiac event. Entirely unpredictable and can finish even a healthy heart. Could have been a thrombus, could have just has a coronary artery spasm. Or he could have been like muamba, and just had no one to resuscitate

The idea of a "weak heart" is something that is picked up easily as there's countless symptoms over months prior. Shortness of breath, syncope, oedema etc. An echocardiogram shows any valve regurgitation, which is the main cause of "weak heart".
 
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Guess my point is, he died from a heart defect, however that doesn't mean "weak heart". Sometimes things just fuck up. Especially at inopportune times.
 
Fabio said:
Guess my point is, he died from a heart defect, however that doesn't mean "weak heart". Sometimes things just fuck up. Especially at inopportune times.
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When is there ever an opportune time for things to fuck up?
 
Ijg said:
When is there ever an opportune time for things to fuck up?
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Surrounded by thousands of people and having a lead cardiologist in the first few rows

I'd rather a muamba than an astori
 
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Oncy said:
If I die with an Orange in my arse, electrodes on my plums and a Dyson on my cock I very much hope my family release the 'heart attack' defence
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If there's ever a thread regretfully informing the site that you died peacefully in your sleep from a 'heart attack", we'll all know you actually died with a smile on your face with your nads linked to the national grid, one of Del Monte's finest up your hoop and the finest British designed suction device that can be assembled in Malaysia.

Thereafter anyone that died is suspicious circumstances would have been deemed to have "Oncyed themselves".
 
Ijg said:
What are the chances of the Muamba one eh
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It's the kind of coincidences that would make you believe in God, if, you know, he hadn't spent the next 3 weeks not seeing him.
 
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Ijg said:
What are the chances of the Muamba one eh
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Without knowing the intricacies of the actual heat condition I think a lot will have some sign and symptoms, often minor.
If you are lucky enough to have someone with the knowledge to recognize the potential seriousness of the situation then that would some what increase your chances.
I think that's what happened to Ged who was incredibly lucky that the club doctor recognised that he was having a major cardiac event and insisted on him being rushed to hospital.
It's amazing how simple fortune, be it good or bad, can have such a life changing effect.
 
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Without knowing the intricacies of the actual heat condition I think a lot will have some sign and symptoms, often minor.
If you are lucky enough to have someone with the knowledge to recognize the potential seriousness of the situation then that would some what increase your chances.
I think that's what happened to Ged who was incredibly lucky that the club doctor recognised that he was having a major cardiac event and insisted on him being rushed to hospital.
It's amazing how simple fortune, be it good or bad, can have such a life changing effect.
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Yup.

1 in 3 people survive CPR outside of a hospital.

Let alone what ged had. That was full on fucking aortic dissection. He had no right to live, let alone manage again
 
Fabio said:
It's the kind of coincidences that would make you believe in God, if, you know, he hadn't spent the next 3 weeks not seeing him.
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It's mad because I'm not sure what I believe, but I think your perception of time must either continue after death, or freeze at your last moment. I can't logically get my head around ceasing to exist. How can you know what it's like to not exist if you've only ever existed?

But a mate of mine died for a minute or two as well and said it was just blackness.

But then you could argue that it was just blackness because they didn't die properly.
Or just fuck all happens.
 
Fabio said:
Yup.

1 in 3 people survive CPR outside of a hospital.

Let alone what ged had. That was full on fucking aortic dissection. He had no right to live, let alone manage again
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Yep, He was absolutely a walking dead man. Absolute miracle he didn't die.
I would have thought the 1/3 survival rate from outside of hospital CPR sounds very high.
Unless it is for witnessed arrests by fully trained and equipped medics.
 
the count said:
Yep, He was absolutely a walking dead man. Absolute miracle he didn't die.
I would have thought the 1/3 survival rate from outside of hospital CPR sounds very high.
Unless it is for witnessed arrests by fully trained and equipped medics.
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It's witnessed with decent CPR efforts. And that's "survive", not "survive the way you were"

It's more like 10% usually
 
Fabio said:
It's witnessed with decent CPR efforts. And that's "survive", not "survive the way you were"

It's more like 10% usually
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Sound about right.
Probably a lot less when you have some ould crank doing it.😉
 
I remember when I was a relatively new member here, Gary Speed had died and someone suggested it was probably as a result of a danger wank. Then someone else swore to never return to this place.
 
Woland said:
@Dave G This dude works in a professional capacity in this field.
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Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. There have been people keel over 20 minutes into a world cup game. How about the Tottenham kid a few years back who miraculously was saved? I'm pretty sure Spurs would have a decent backroom medical staff who would be able to pick up on a dodgy ticker.
 
Dave G said:
Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. There have been people keel over 20 minutes into a world cup game. How about the Tottenham kid a few years back who miraculously was saved? I'm pretty sure Spurs would have a decent backroom medical staff who would be able to pick up on a dodgy ticker.
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Again, it's not weakness that happened, as much as a spontaneous event

No one can predict things like muamba. It's not a structural issue, it's a electrical issue that doesn't present itself until it's near fatal.

And it was Bolton. Prob still used bloodletting
 
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