FFP

[binomial]

 

[binomial]

I'M FUCKING BORED LEAVE ME ALONE.

 

[Modo]

 

[Markeh]

 

[The Nomad]

 

[Dreambeliever]

FUCK
FUCK
PRICKS

would have worked better.

 

[bluebell]

I think there's an honest conversation to be had here, I wonder if Qatar will still be interested in PSG after the WC? Qatar's GDP figure per capita has almost halved
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{th=rowspan:2}Subregion{/th}
{th=rowspan:2}Region{/th}
{th=colspan:2}IMF[3]{/th}
{th=colspan:2}UN[4]{/th}
{th=colspan:2}World Bank[5]{/th}
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{th}Estimate{/th}
{th}Year{/th}
{th}Estimate{/th}
{th}Year{/th}
{th}Estimate{/th}
{th}Year{/th}
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Monaco (more){/td}
{td}Western Europe{/td}
{td}Europe{/td}
{td=colspan:2}N/A{/td}
{td}190,532{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
{td}190,513{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
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{td=scope:row}

Liechtenstein (more){/td}
{td}Western Europe{/td}
{td}Europe{/td}
{td=colspan:2}N/A{/td}
{td}179,258{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
{td}180,367{/td}
{td}2018{/td}
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{td=scope:row}

Luxembourg (more){/td}
{td}Western Europe{/td}
{td}Europe{/td}
{td}131,782{/td}
{td}2021{/td}
{td}115,481{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
{td}115,874{/td}
{td}2020{/td}
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{td=scope:row}

Bermuda (more){/td}
{td}Northern America{/td}
{td}Americas{/td}
{td=colspan:2}N/A{/td}
{td}117,768{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
{td}117,098{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
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{td=scope:row}

Cayman Islands (more){/td}
{td}Caribbean{/td}
{td}Americas{/td}
{td=colspan:2}N/A{/td}
{td}92,692{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
{td}91,393{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
{/tr}
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{td=scope:row}

Switzerland (more){/td}
{td}Western Europe{/td}
{td}Europe{/td}
{td}94,696{/td}
{td}2021{/td}
{td}85,135{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
{td}86,602{/td}
{td}2020{/td}
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{td=scope:row}

Ireland (more){/td}
{td}Northern Europe{/td}
{td}Europe{/td}
{td}94,556{/td}
{td}2021{/td}
{td}81,637{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
{td}83,813{/td}
{td}2020{/td}
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{td=scope:row}

Macau (more){/td}
{td}Eastern Asia{/td}
{td}Asia{/td}
{td}58,004{/td}
{td}2021{/td}
{td}84,097{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
{td}86,118{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
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{td=scope:row}

Norway (more){/td}
{td}Northern Europe{/td}
{td}Europe{/td}
{td}81,995{/td}
{td}2021{/td}
{td}74,986{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
{td}67,295{/td}
{td}2020{/td}
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United States (more){/td}
{td}Northern America{/td}
{td}Americas{/td}
{td}68,309{/td}
{td}2021{/td}
{td}65,134{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
{td}63,544{/td}
{td}2020{/td}
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Iceland (more){/td}
{td}Northern Europe{/td}
{td}Europe{/td}
{td}65,273{/td}
{td}2021{/td}
{td}71,345{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
{td}59,261{/td}
{td}2020{/td}
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{td=scope:row}

Denmark (more){/td}
{td}Northern Europe{/td}
{td}Europe{/td}
{td}67,218{/td}
{td}2021{/td}
{td}60,657{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
{td}60,909{/td}
{td}2020{/td}
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{td=scope:row}

Singapore (more){/td}
{td}South-eastern Asia{/td}
{td}Asia{/td}
{td}64,103{/td}
{td}2021{/td}
{td}64,103{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
{td}59,798{/td}
{td}2020{/td}
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{td=scope:row}

Qatar (more){/td}
{td}Western Asia{/td}
{td}Asia{/td}
{td}59,143{/td}
{td}2021{/td}
{td}64,782{/td}
{td}2019{/td}
{td}50,806{/td}
{td}2020{/td}
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[King Binny]

 

[Hansern]

The salary cap is discussed at 70% of certain parts of the clubs turnover.
Ligue 1 is introducing this is 23/24.

I look forward to reading about PSG new 2 billion sponsor deal with some Qatari company.

 

[The Nomad]

The salary cap is discussed at 70% of certain parts of the clubs turnover.
Ligue 1 is introducing this is 23/24.

I look forward to reading about PSG new 2 billion sponsor deal with some Qatari company.

And City's.

 

[MomoWASright]

The salary cap is discussed at 70% of certain parts of the clubs turnover.
Ligue 1 is introducing this is 23/24.

I look forward to reading about PSG new 2 billion sponsor deal with some Qatari company.

That’ll cover on payroll payments. We know these shady fuckers love a bit of off payroll remuneration.

 

[Beamrider]

Given the corruption in football generally, introducing these rules is going to lead to all kinds of off-payroll payments and dodgy consultancy arrangements. It'll be an absolute field-day for agents and there'll be tax evasion going on all over the shop.
I doubt anyone involved in the consultation is going to bother to mention that - so long as they don't get caught, most of them don't care.
The ability of clubs to attract the very top players is going to depend on their willingness to do dealings outside the books.
The rules aren't perfect but they don't need to be changed radically, they just need someone with a pair of bollocks and a degree of common sense to enforce them and to impose (serious) sporting rather than financial sanctions for breaches.

 

[peekay]

UEFA to oil clubs - You can break the rules as long we get a share of the pie. Feels like they are waving the white flag here.

Interesting they use the term salary caps similar to NBA and NFL as NBA and NFL have different types of structure. NFL has hard salary caps. You cannot exceed that amount. NBA has soft salary caps with luxury tax. The luxury tax amounts are pretty high. For example, if you are a repeat offender with salaries 15 million over the cap, you have to pay 4.25 dollars for every dollar you exceed 15 million. And that money is distributed to the rest of the team.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

I'm not sure I really understand what FFP was trying to achieve. Saying you can only spend what you make, is more about making sure teams don't go into debt. And it means that what City and the likes are doing is fine, they're not going to end up in debt.

If teams actually do spend more than they can afford, what should happen? Fine the club's that are having financial issues?

I think people misunderstood it to be attempting to level the playing field, which benchmarking it against earnings doesn't do. It just means the richest can spend the most, and will therefore have a better chance of staying at the top. Leveling the playing field, is more about evening out earnings and salary caps not related to earnings.

 

[darkstarexodus]

UEFA to oil clubs - You can break the rules as long we get a share of the pie. Feels like they are waving the white flag here.

Interesting they use the term salary caps similar to NBA and NFL as NBA and NFL have different types of structure. NFL has hard salary caps. You cannot exceed that amount. NBA has soft salary caps with luxury tax. The luxury tax amounts are pretty high. For example, if you are a repeat offender with salaries 15 million over the cap, you have to pay 4.25 dollars for every dollar you exceed 15 million. And that money is distributed to the rest of the team.

Given the vast differential in financial resources across teams and leagues, I think a soft cap like the NBA or MLB males more sense than a hard cap like NHL or NFL.

Especially with the taxes paid being redistributed down the football chain. This could help strengthen some of the second tier leagues and make clubs like Ajax and Celtic, for example, more competitive in Europe again.

 

[the count]

Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola has challenged the club's critics to come up with the evidence if they believe the Blues are breaking Financial Fair Play rules.
Thirteen months after the Court of Arbitration for Sport overturned City's two-year ban from European competition for breaching Uefa's FFP rules, questions about the club's spending are again being raised.

Guardiola defended City's British record £100m signing of England midfielder Jack Grealish.
The Spanish manager insists the deal was only possible because of the £60m-worth of sales by the club over the past 12 months, including the £11m received from Borussia Dortmund following Jadon Sancho's move to Manchester United.


However, with City understood to be preparing an offer in excess of the sum they spent on Grealish to try to persuade Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy to let Harry Kane join them, Guardiola responded to a fresh broadside from Jurgen Klopp.
The Liverpool manager said his club could not be compared to City because "obviously they have no limits".
It is a view Guardiola rejects.
"We have limits because of FFP," said the City boss. "We are on the same page like everyone. After that, each club decides what they want to do. Every season we have passed the controls that are there for everyone. If we are wrong, prove it."

Guardiola evidently feels the criticism of City's Abu Dhabi-based ownership is triggered by clubs whose own owners do not wish to invest on the same scale.
"I have said before, there are owners who want the benefits for themselves," he said.
"Our owners don't want to lose money but if they can spend, they will.
"In the past, [Manchester] United won a lot of titles because they spent more money than the other clubs. You remember that? They spent more than Manchester City because we couldn't do it.
"Before it was one club, or two, or two and a half. Then other clubs arrived - Chelsea with [Roman] Abramovich, us with Sheikh Mansour. They want to be in this world. What is the problem?"


For many, the problem is that City's spending threatens to take them so far clear of almost every other club that meaningful competition becomes impossible.
Guardiola uses his own Champions League successes with Barcelona in 2009 and 2011 to reject that theory as well.
"There are no guarantees," he said. "You can win with different squads, different players and in different situations.
"At Barcelona, I had the best player I ever seen in my life, Lionel Messi, in the academy. We won the Champions League twice with seven players from the academy at zero costs. Each club has its own reality."

 

[rubans]

Zero costs, yes Pep. Barca never brought anyone in your time and La Masia was run for free by the monestry next door and was in fact the first fully carbon postive sport institution in the world, what a twat.
Close the audit, nothing to see here...

 

[Holle]

Who takes this cunting fraud seriously anyway?

 

[bluebell]

Barca's debt stands at £1.15bn
Borrowed £60m to cover payroll and construction work
Salaries 103% of turnover. Does anyone know if they've paid out over £600m in salaries or has their T/O fallen to below £600m?

 

[King Binny]

Thread on how PSG are likely to still be able to meet UEFA’s Financial Fair Play (FFP) targets:

 

[dmishra]

The amazing thing to note is that our wage bill is the 5th highest in Europe, well above Bayern, United, Juventus and Chelsea.

Clearly, the likes of Salah are actually earning far more than the reported 200k.

 

[MomoWASright]

The amazing thing to note is that our wage bill is the 5th highest in Europe, well above Bayern, United, Juventus and Chelsea.

Clearly, the likes of Salah are actually earning far more than the reported 200k.

The REPORTED wage bills of those clubs. We know city use third parties to top up income which is what happened with Mancini. I’d be shocked if the true wages aren’t elsewhere in the accounts like image rights being classed as other expenses.

 

[doctor_mac]

The amazing thing to note is that our wage bill is the 5th highest in Europe, well above Bayern, United, Juventus and Chelsea.

Clearly, the likes of Salah are actually earning far more than the reported 200k.

Don't we have this innovative wage structure that has large performance-based bonuses? So if, like Salah, you are consistently one of the top scorers in the league, it stands to reason that he's doing very well from the bonuses (which I take it are factored into those reported wage bills?)

 

[StevieM]

Don't we have this innovative wage structure that has large performance-based bonuses? So if, like Salah, you are consistently one of the top scorers in the league, it stands to reason that he's doing very well from the bonuses (which I take it are factored into those reported wage bills?)

Is that how Chaucer’s Pilgrims are doing it?

 

[Brizzle]

Don't we have this innovative wage structure that has large performance-based bonuses? So if, like Salah, you are consistently one of the top scorers in the league, it stands to reason that he's doing very well from the bonuses (which I take it are factored into those reported wage bills?)

This is how it should be - if we are winning the league and the CL, i'd expect wages through performance bonuses to have us in the top few clubs in Europe.

 

[Squiggles]

The amazing thing to note is that our wage bill is the 5th highest in Europe, well above Bayern, United, Juventus and Chelsea.

Clearly, the likes of Salah are actually earning far more than the reported 200k.

The heavily incentivised nature of our contracts makes it difficult to ever have a real picture on what's going on. It will be lower next year as we won fuck all (yay)

 

[StevieM]

I’ve got no problem with paying our players the best wages in the world if they’re delivering trophies.

That’s how it should be.

 

[Rosco]

The amazing thing to note is that our wage bill is the 5th highest in Europe, well above Bayern, United, Juventus and Chelsea.

Clearly, the likes of Salah are actually earning far more than the reported 200k.

And we know the correlation between wage bill and league position.

So the whole Klopp miracle working story needs to be kept in check.

 

[StevieM]

And we know the correlation between wage bill and league position.

So the whole Klopp miracle working story needs to be kept in check.

Oh don’t talk that bollocks again.

 

[Rosco]

Oh don’t talk that bollocks again.

I know you don't like facts Stevie. Hard luck.