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Fabinho, Keita and Shaq

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rurikbird

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This has been Fabinho's best game for us so far – his passing, tackling, aggression, multiple dangerous shots at goal – this game showcased an impressive range of skills and he was exactly the kind of a well-rounded midfielder that we needed to take advantage of United dropping deep to defend, helping us win the midfield battle physically as well as technically. I loved how his first touch was always positive – setting up the next pass or movement designed to hurt the opposition rather than just to protect the ball.



All this being said, I still think his positioning is a weakness – we cannot afford our DM to be stuck in no-man's land multiple times per match while opponents drive at our back 4. The goal we conceded is a typical example of this – Fabinho gets sucked in, trying to challenge Lingard, even though he has no realistic chance of winning the ball. Lingard makes an easy layoff to Herrera who bombs into the space where Fabinho should have been, which eventually leads to the goal. In the 2nd half, before Henderson came in, I was quite worried about the lack of protection from Fabinho for our back 4 – even with United's lethargic attack, they managed to run directly at our back 4 through the middle several times, which means our midfield wasn't doing its job in those moments.

I think defensively the main difference between Fabinho and Henderson is that Hendo knows he's not a great tackler and therefore he's worked on his positioning to the point where he is almost always able to pop up in front of the opponent with the ball, not necessarily winning it straight away, but preventing the most dangerous option of developing the attack. Fabinho is naturally a far better tackler, but it looks like this quality led to some bad habits, where he thinks that losing position is not a big deal as he can always recover and win the ball with a sideways or from behind tackle – not such a good idea at the top level, especially with the way referees are adjudicating these incidents nowadays! I'm being pointedly critical of him here, because I think this is the one remaining obvious weakness in his game and one he should be able to improve with coaching – he's got everything else in his locker to be one hell of a midfielder.

Now to Keita. He also showed an impressive set of skills – but overall had a far less effective display than Fabinho. He was determined to take the ball forward and run at defenders at every opportunity, which certainly showed some guts and impressive dribbling ability, but the end result of all this effort was I think one solitary earned free-kick; rest of the time he just turned over possession to Man United. His passing was what let him down time and again – the timing or the accuracy was just off, where someone like Shaqiri in the same position would have probably created a few clear-cut chances for Mo and Sadio. We saw how effective he can be against the likes of Burnley, but he needs quite a bit of growth and coaching to understand how to use his skills against better opposition. In this game, United just had too many bodies behind the ball for him to be able to dribble his way beyond the defensive line.

Finally, I thought Shaqiri had his breakthrough moment as Liverpool player yesterday. To make THIS kind of impact after coming on as a sub, scoring twice in front of the Kop in a hitherto frustrating game against United – you couldn't have dreamed it up any better. I guess his bicycle-kick goal against them in the pre-season was a precursor of things to come. His personality didn't seem like a natural fit in this team, but when things are tough you do need this kind of ruthless mad fucker who thinks he's better than everyone else and plays like it. If I'm asked to select our strongest 11 for a title-deciding game right now, Shaqiri would be in it.

By the way, in the post-match interview on American TV, the first question they asked him was whether this was the best moment of his career – to which he couldn't help but laugh and said he's won Champions League with Bayern Munich and while this was important, it's just one PL game. Other questions were similarly condescending overtones: "how does it feel to come from Stoke to play at a big club like Liverpool" – but I thought he dealt with it graciously enough and said all the right words.
 
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I found it frustrating as hell that twice we broke in the early parts of the game with Mane and he had ample time to give the ball to Keita - who's a far better passer than he is - and he waited to the last second and cocked up good moves ...
 
It's important not to read too much into performances , we were playing against midtable dross.

They're actually terrible, a few good players hampered by mediocrity and negative tactics.

That said , Fabinho was immense and Shaqiri offers something nobody has given us since Coutinho left , finding pockets of space and and looking for killer balls and smart 1-2s continuously.

Keita was a bit hit n miss yesterday
 
I think its fair to say Keita has been hit and miss so far, that said when hes on he clearly has a change of pace/direction that no other midfield option we have can match. I dont think we will see the best pf him until the back end of the season at the earliest. He seems to drift out of games at times and while he always shows for the ball he doesnt demand it the way stronger personalities do.

Take a look at the two goals Shaqiri got yesterday. For the first he basically tells Clyne to get out of the way hes hitting it, for the second when the ball breaks Salah is under no illusions that Shaqiri is going to do anything other than take the shot and gets out of his line of sight.

Keita will come good he just needs a couple of games where he can get into the groove and get on the same wavelength as his teammates.
 
It all depends on the game. Man U's midfield could barely pass the ball. Also, I'm not sure about that tackling stat, they even highlighted a tackle by Fabinho yesterday on MOTD that created a chance. So he can't have zero tackles.
 
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At the minute kieta cant be mentioned in the same breath as fab and shaq. Yesterday, was a really disappointing performance from keita.
 
Fabinho was MOTM for me yesterday and Keita's now beginning to show glimpses of what everyone connected with the Bundesliga raved about last season, but out of these three the standout overall for me this season has been Shaqiri, and I say that as someone who was pretty sceptical about the signing. He's defo after a regular first team place in his own right and I love that. His energy and.edge remind me of the Tasmanian Devil from the Bugs Bunny Show:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=c54SvkgQ04A
 
Shaq will certainly get to start a few games over the festive fixture list. As soon as he came off the bench I believed we would beat them. He has already proved that 13m was another stunning piece of business.
 
One advantage to using Shaq as a sub is that, unlike those many players that seem less than interested during a game, Shaq is watching the for the space he might exploit when he gets on. In this interview he says that he had observed pockets of space behind their midfield and knew he could fill his boots when he got on:



(About 10mins in).
 
Soz like. I've got a hangover you could donate to medical science, and while I thought Fabinho was the best player on the park until the little kosovon khaos kube came on, I don't recall specifics.
 
Soz like. I've got a hangover you could donate to medical science, and while I thought Fabinho was the best player on the park until the little kosovon khaos kube came on, I don't recall specifics.

Well, he made tackles, passed it brilliantly, and was aggressive in every aspect of his game. And he was the best player on the park. It was ace to see.
 
The best thing about these three players is that they are all starting to settle in, show what they can do, and are proving already that not only will they be exellent players for us going forward but that they have strengthened the squad and given us options just when we need them most, right now. I love how we have high quality choices no matter how Klopp sets us up.
 
Love this Fabinho stat from Sundays game:

One of the former Monaco midfielder's great strengths is his willingness to take a chance and pass to the forwards. His top two pass combinations on Sunday were 10 to Firmino and eight to Salah.
 
Well, he made tackles, passed it brilliantly, and was aggressive in every aspect of his game. And he was the best player on the park. It was ace to see.

He really was, he dominated the pitch really, which took alot of pressure off the backline. Plus it's refreshing after years of shitting ourselves whenever a team has a setpiece against us, that we now have tonnes of players who can dominate in aerial onslaughts, the sort you get against route one shite like Stoke and Manchester United.
 
The best thing i loved about Fabinho was his patience and to keep trying things which he has practised on the training ground or part his own vision which he wants to execute. Henderson would have never attempted such passes and dare to control the ball in those tight spaces like Fabinho.
I think he tried that chipped or lobbed pass 3-4 times yesterday. The first occasion was on 35 seconds in that video. I actually saw that during the game and I was so happy that he is trying something different which our midfielders almost never do and although the first pass was not correct, the pass itself just got me excited.
 
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This moment disappointed me from Keita. If he checks back on his left instead of trying to blast the ball through a defender and De Gea at an acute angle, Firmino, Mane and Salah are all ready for a tap-in. He absolutely has the quality to see things like this and execute them; this means mentally or emotionally he wasn't at his sharpest in this game.
 
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This moment disappointed me from Keita. If he checks back on his left instead of trying to blast the ball through a defender and De Gea at an acute angle, Firmino, Mane and Salah are all ready for a tap-in. He absolutely has the quality to see things like this and execute them; this means mentally or emotionally he wasn't at his sharpest in this game.
Yeah sorry but 99% of forwards would also go for the shot. Always a chance of slipping it through the keeper's legs.
 
Made me think of Hamann. That's a good thing. Except for the pass. He could never have done that.
 
Fabinho won loads of tackles yesterday?
Really depends what the "tackle" stat is. Are you only credited a "tackle" if you go to ground?

Does it differ from an "interception"?

Perhaps, that's the point he's trying to make.

That the tackle stat would credit Fabinho with 0 tackles yesterday, but he actually made countless interceptions which are probably more important as it means he's on his feet still to pass the ball.
 
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