Eva Carneiro

[Squiggles]

And he says leave it, yet the player has banged his head when he's fallen & later dies.

Who gets the blame? Certainly not the manager.

It's a medical decision & the medics deal with it, if you let a manager make the decision every time it could be catastrophic.

Nah, she had good intentions, but that doesn't automatically make her decision correct. The point doesn't stand, even when you try to take it to the extreme. The referee stops play if there's been a collision of heads and to be honest it's usually very obvious when something is seriously wrong. This was an innocuous injury which didn't need immediate attention. Jose's point is valid, even if he has made it like a cunt.

 

[Red Mullet]

Nah, she had good intentions, but that doesn't automatically make her decision correct. The point doesn't stand, even when you try to take it to the extreme. The referee stops play if there's been a collision of heads and to be honest it's usually very obvious when something is seriously wrong. This was an innocuous injury which didn't need immediate attention. Jose's point is valid, even if he has made it like a cunt.

Not sure where the FA will stand legally if a referee makes medical judgements and it goes wrong.

Jose is right in that she has to read the game better but she should be allowed to make medical decisions irrespective of what's going on in the game.

 

[hamstrung_pigeon]

Jose as classy as ever.

At the end of the day, it had no bearing on the result. He should have acknowledged that and just made sure it never happened again. If they had conceded, you could understand him being pissed off.

However, the fallout from it just shows him up for being an absolute bellend and a nasty piece of work. I would love it if they imploded this season.

This. And this is the incident again, at the 8:50 mark of this clip:



Hazard looks like he's taken a knee in the abdomen or pelvis. Even if he didn't or the contact wasn't as heavy as he made it look, I can imagine seeing it at the sidelines and thinking "ooh... that could be nasty". Mourinho complaining about Swansea counter-attacking with 11 against 9 because Hazard had to come off is just ridiculous - Chelsea had the free kick and if he were so concerned about conceding, all they had to do was kick the ball back to the keeper and bring Hazard back in to relaunch an attack.

He couldn't go ballistic at Hazard for not sitting up, waving off the physios and continuing, so just picks on the soft target.

 

[gkmacca]

Nah, she had good intentions, but that doesn't automatically make her decision correct. The point doesn't stand, even when you try to take it to the extreme. The referee stops play if there's been a collision of heads and to be honest it's usually very obvious when something is seriously wrong. This was an innocuous injury which didn't need immediate attention. Jose's point is valid, even if he has made it like a cunt.

Lots of injuries that appear innocuous turn out to be more serious. You either take medical expertise seriously and respect it, or you don't. If you do, you have to let the medical staff react as they think fit. If you don't, you may as well make that fat bloke the Chelski doctor - you can rely on him to just stand there and say 'Yes boss' all the time.

New club doctor Gary 'Fat Bloke' Staker looks on prudently as a Chelski player appears to spontaneously combust.

Is that serious, Gary?

Doubt it, JT, but I'll ask the boss when he's not so busy. Want a cake?

 

[gkmacca]

This. And this is the incident again, at the 8:50 mark of this clip:



Hazard looks like he's taken a knee in the abdomen or pelvis. Even if he didn't or the contact wasn't as heavy as he made it look, I can imagine seeing it at the sidelines and thinking "ooh... that could be nasty". Mourinho complaining about Swansea counter-attacking with 11 against 9 because Hazard had to come off is just ridiculous - Chelsea had the free kick and if he were so concerned about conceding, all they had to do was kick the ball back to the keeper and bring Hazard back in to relaunch an attack.

He couldn't go ballistic at Hazard for not sitting up, waving off the physios and continuing, so just picks on the soft target.

And seeing as Mourinho has claimed that Hazard is not given enough protection by refs, that he's frequently assaulted and deliberately knocked about, it's outrageous that the manager should then dismiss it when he appears injured.

 

[mark1975]

Nah, she had good intentions, but that doesn't automatically make her decision correct. The point doesn't stand, even when you try to take it to the extreme. The referee stops play if there's been a collision of heads and to be honest it's usually very obvious when something is seriously wrong. This was an innocuous injury which didn't need immediate attention. Jose's point is valid, even if he has made it like a cunt.

Maybe, but you're not really in a position to assess that from the sidelines adequately. It fuels the point that his players play act. As he said, they got hit on the break, so they were in an advanced position trying to gain an advantage. If he doesn't want his medical staff to react incorrectly, maybe his players shouldn't feign injury.

He's a dick and he's trying to deflect the blame. If any other manager in the league carried on the way he does, they would be hung out to dry by the media. First the sexist comments about Rafa's wife, now alienating a member of staff over doing her job? He's getting to that point where people gradually turn against him and he gets his knickers in a twist and does one, again. Same old. It's what he does, enjoys a few seasons at a club before he upsets the applecart too much and the rot starts to get a bit to close to him.

 

[dmishra]

What did he say about Rafa's wife?

 

[mark1975]

What did he say about Rafa's wife?

That she should get back in the kitchen, or something. He tried to put a modern spin on it, something about cooking healthy food. Coz Rafa's fat.

 

[dmishra]

Complete thundercunt.

 

[cloggypop]

I noticed that they dropped points so it's not really working.

 

[gkmacca]

Now this article by Martin 'Just one more wafer-thin mint' Samuels is one reason why Mourinho was drawn back to England. It's because only the English media indulge him. The Italians saw through him in a second, and he hated it. The Spanish weren't far behind. In those places his stupid, petty and daft comments are just held up as stupid, petty and daft. Here, however, the English hacks, like medieval Biblical scholars, pore over his words until they can find some sense in them. Pathetic.

The problem with the keenness of Chelsea’s medical staff on Saturday was that a layman, Jose Mourinho, was proven right.

Eden Hazard wasn’t injured. He was just knackered. He stayed down after a foul by Ashley Williams for that reason.
It is often why players go to ground late in the day — boxers will take an eight count for the same reason — and Mourinho, as a football professional, knew it. When he spoke of everyone on the bench needing to understand the game, it wasn’t a sexist dig at his female doctor, Eva Carneiro.

Mourinho was simply saying that not all insight comes from books.

The moment Carneiro and physiotherapist Jon Fearn entered the pitch, Hazard would be made to return from the sidelines — a stupid rule, considering he was the one fouled — and that would leave Chelsea significantly outnumbered and vulnerable to counter-attack.

As Hazard wasn’t hurt, it was an error. Considering Chelsea’s excellent record with injuries last season it would be harsh in the extreme if the subsequent change in Carneiro’s role at the club came from this one mistake — but perhaps it is not the first time she has overstretched her authority in Mourinho’s eyes.

The doctor will have one form of expertise, but Mourinho has another, and while it is the referee who decides whether the medical team can enter the field, surely in marginal cases there has to be consensus with the manager, too.

Next week, Martin explains why the Witchfinder General was entitled to dunk a few women in the river.

 

[Fabio]

Hopefully a Chelsea player breaks his leg now she's not allowed on the bench.

Ideally a cisse style break where it needed further breaking to allow circulation back

 

[Rosco]

Hazard clearly either needed or wanted a bit of medical attention.

Isn't this his fault?

 

[Fabio]

Hazard clearly either needed or wanted a bit of medical attention.

Isn't this his fault?

Yeah, but he's not gonna blame him. He's too valuable

 

[Jack D Rips]

Yeah thankfully Samuels is not a doctor. I'd hate to be on the pitch injured waiting for that fat fuck to reach me.

 

[gkmacca]

Yeah thankfully Samuels is not a doctor. I'd hate to be on the pitch injured waiting for that fat fuck to reach me.

He'd ask for his request to go on the pitch be added to the agenda for the next committee meeting (medical-football interactions [match-time issues B: marginal cases 540-3-GCX] first quarter 2015/16 season), where he would explain his reasoning whilst looking longingly at a plate of fake croissants and toast. Then, provided a consensus with the manager can be reached, he'd ask for his actions to be retrospectively confirmed via video revision.

 

[FreshRed]

This. And this is the incident again, at the 8:50 mark of this clip:



Hazard looks like he's taken a knee in the abdomen or pelvis. Even if he didn't or the contact wasn't as heavy as he made it look, I can imagine seeing it at the sidelines and thinking "ooh... that could be nasty". Mourinho complaining about Swansea counter-attacking with 11 against 9 because Hazard had to come off is just ridiculous - Chelsea had the free kick and if he were so concerned about conceding, all they had to do was kick the ball back to the keeper and bring Hazard back in to relaunch an attack.

He couldn't go ballistic at Hazard for not sitting up, waving off the physios and continuing, so just picks on the soft target.

The question I have is how Jose thinks Hazard is going to help defend while lying on the pitch. His whole argument is that doctor forced them to play with 9 men, but it is not like Hazard was actually playing at that moment. And the air or stuffing had been knocked out of him. He did just bounce up and get back. If anything, the doctor coming on bought Hazard time to recover from the knock and they were a man down for less time.

Just a classic case of deflection from Jose and targeting those least able to defend themselves.

 

[Arn]

He will do whatever it takes to win. If he destroys someones career along the way then he won't care. He is totally ruthless.

 

[cloggypop]

Hope she sues him.

 

[Judge Jules]

She won't if she still wants to stay there. If she decides she has to leave, though, there might well be a chance that being removed from matchday duties would give her a case for constructive dismissal.

 

[leftpeg]

He will do whatever it takes to win. If he destroys someones career along the way then he won't care. He is totally ruthless.

Ferguson was ruthless cunt. Mourinho is just a bullying cunt. Small man syndrome.

 

[gkmacca]

Yep. Deep down in his own mind he's still the PE teacher with a clipboard surrounded by top players. In spite of all he's won there's still an insecurity there.

 

[dantes]

Hope she sues him.

Female - check
Hot - check.
Latin - check
Bullied by boss - check

I got this.

 

[Rosco]

Female - check
Hot - check.
Latin - check
Bullied by boss - check

I got this.

Will still never sleep with Dantes - check

 

[peekay]

The Chelsea doctor Eva Carneiro, who has been stripped of her first team duties by Jose Mourinho, was twice beckoned onto the pitch on Saturday by referee Michael Oliver to treat Eden Hazard ahead of the incident which infuriated the Chelsea manager.

Carneiro was told on Tuesday that she would no longer be Chelsea’s on-field doctor on matchdays after the incident in which she and head physiotherapist Jon Fearn ran on to treat Hazard in the final minutes of the 2-2 draw with Swansea on Saturday – against Mourinho’s wishes.

Yet footage shows that in the moments before the Chelsea medical team entered the field of play the referee Oliver twice turned to the bench after Hazard went down, following a challenge from Gylfi Sigurdsson, and signalled for the pair to come on. If Carneiro was to take her case further then Oliver’s intervention in the sequence of events would be a powerful piece of evidence on her behalf.

Under the General Medical Council good medical practice guidelines, Carneiro would have been obliged to enter the pitch when referee Oliver called her on – regardless of whether Mourinho wanted her to treat the player or not. Ignoring that request would put her in breach of one of the GMC’s first tenets under the “safety and quality” responsibilities.

Doctors are advised that they are obliged by the GMC to “take prompt action if you think that patient safety, dignity or comfort is being compromised”. As medical care providers, Carneiro and Fearn are required to put the principles of the GMC above the wishes of their employer.

 

[StevieM]

Jose Mourinho acting like a right cunt.

Wow.

Who have thought that possible?

 

[Oncy]

Id have so many groin injurys if she was my physio

 

[Molbystwin]

Jose as classy as ever.

At the end of the day, it had no bearing on the result. He should have acknowledged that and just made sure it never happened again. If they had conceded, you could understand him being pissed off.

However, the fallout from it just shows him up for being an absolute bellend and a nasty piece of work. I would love it if they imploded this season.

This. I can grudgingly respect his desire to win and the trophies his teams have won, I can also appreciate the mind games and wind ups and instilling a nastiness into his teams, the almost pathological hatred of losing. It's skillful and it works, or at least it works when you've got a billionaire behind you.

It isn't pleasant nor is it classy but it's a useful tool for him.

Then you have poking people in the eye.... I'm sorry but...
Then you have the fact that for Mourinho it's not about the happiness of the fans nor the glory of his players it's purely and simply about him.
Then you have this, nothing short of hanging out a member of his back room staff to dry very publicly, in order to what? To deflect attention away from a single poor performance? To put the shits up his own team with his ruthlessness? What the fuck is that?

I couldn't agree more Rafiagra, You are dead right, it's just plain nastiness on his part... Fucking nasty utter cunt like behaviour. It is also phenomenally bad man (or in this case woman) management and I truly hope it comes back to bite him on the ass.
What a nasty fucking prick.

 

[Molbystwin]

Now this article by Martin 'Just one more wafer-thin mint' Samuels is one reason why Mourinho was drawn back to England. It's because only the English media indulge him. The Italians saw through him in a second, and he hated it. The Spanish weren't far behind. In those places his stupid, petty and daft comments are just held up as stupid, petty and daft. Here, however, the English hacks, like medieval Biblical scholars, pore over his words until they can find some sense in them. Pathetic.



Next week, Martin explains why the Witchfinder General was entitled to dunk a few women in the river.

Thinking about it maybe the stink it will leave may shine light on what is actually a silly rule... That's not why Maureen did what he did however, and even if you feel that the doc made a mistake you just don't destroy somebody's career like that... It's a cunts move.

 

[Jack D Rips]

She didn't make a mistake. She was called on to the pitch by the referee.