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England's penalty takers

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Rosco

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Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney, Milner and Barry


According to this article:

Fabio Capello has decided who his penalty takers will be for a potential shoot-out in Sunday's second-round match against Germany, with England confident they can buck the recent trend and prevail should the game end in spot-kicks.

The Italian, unlike some previous England managers, has made a point of instructing his players to practise penalties at the end of every training session since the squad first convened for their pre-tournament preparations in Austria last month. A quartet – Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney and the inexperienced James Milner – have been earmarked to step forward, with Gareth Barry expected to be the fifth nominee.

The five have regularly taken penalties for their clubs and have spent extra time practising against Capello's No1, David James, since the tournament began this month. All four World Cup meetings between Germany and England have been level at 90 minutes, suggesting penalties may await on Sunday. That is ominous given the English have left their last two major finals after losing shoot-outs to Portugal – Gerrard, Lampard and Jamie Carragher missed in Gelsenkirchen four years ago – and succumbed to Germany in that manner at Italia 90 and Euro 96.

"The manager is on to the penalty takers to make sure we're doing it properly in training and not messing around," Gerrard said. "He wants us to do in training what we do in a game: pick a spot and not change your mind. It is massive pressure. I didn't handle it in 2006, so if I'm put in that situation again I will try and deal with the pressure a lot better. All you can do is be ready, not shy away from it and have the bottle to step up, especially if you've missed one before. I'll be ready."

England's record contrasts markedly with that of their rivals in Bloemfontein. The Germans have not missed a penalty in a World Cup shoot-out since Uli Stielike against France in 1982 – they have fluffed only two ever – scoring all 12 of their efforts en route to eliminating Mexico in 1986, England in 1990 and Argentina in 2006. Lukas Podolski's miss in the recent loss to Serbia was their first failure in 18 attempts, and they had not passed up a World Cup penalty in normal time since 1974.

"I can understand that, when people look at what's happened over the years, all you remember is losing to Germany on penalties, but this is a different game and a different team," Jermain Defoe said. His goal propelled England, who will again wear all-red against Germany, into the knockout phase but he has missed six of his past 11 penalties at Tottenham. "It's about having a clear head. Forget about what happened before and focus.

"We practise them at the end of every session. The manager gets the goalkeepers in and Jamo stands there screaming: 'Come on, are you boys up for it?' We aren't walking up from the halfway line – some countries do that – but there's still pressure. The manager blows a whistle and you take them. If you score he doesn't really say anything. That is a good sign. He's confident. He knows the lads are confident and ready if called up. We're really relaxed."

Tension is already starting to build ahead of Sunday's match with Franz Beckenbauer, a World Cup winner as captain in 1974 and manager in 1990, following his initial criticism that England had regressed into a "kick and rush" team by claiming Capello's side appeared "burnt out" after finishing second in Group C. "A game like this should be a semi-final, not a last 16 game," he said. "Stupidly, the English have slipped up a little by finishing second in their group.

"The English look a little tired. There is a good reason for that: the Premier League players have got to play far more games than their Bundesliga colleagues, including two national cup competitions. When it comes to a World Cup or a European Championships, they are burnt out. Our players, on the other hand, seem to be in a physically better condition. Of course we respect them, but we certainly don't fear them. England's first two appearances at the World Cup were paltry, but they improved against Slovenia."

Capello, who passed up the opportunity to watch Italy's elimination to go on safari in Pilanesberg, remains confident that his side broke through a psychological barrier by defeating Slovenia in the final group game and can now set their sights on eliminating another of the perceived major football nations in the knockout stage of a World Cup for the first time since the final in 1966.

"I know these players," the Italian said. "They needed that victory. I needed it. But they can compete against all the teams in the competition and the level and I'm sure the performance and spirit of the team will be at this level."
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40729.msg1126106#msg1126106 date=1277458529]
penalties? that's a bit presumptuous, isn't it?
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A manager who likes to plan what could happen on the pitch. Shocking.

If he didn't have a plan, he would no doubt be hearing your stinging 'Crapello' line.
 
Milner? That's a big ask of someone who's barely a fringe player and is very young.

Surely you'd get Defoe to take one.
 
England have some very good penalty takers now.. however.. its highly unlikely to finish in the first 5..

Lampard
Gerrard
Barry
Rooney

they are all unlikely to miss..

Crouch takes a good penalty doesnt he?

Heskey would probably fall during the run up..

Id imagine Ashley Cole taking a good pen.. his ego and ability to ignore shit and experience at the highest level should help him out.
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=40729.msg1126200#msg1126200 date=1277466489]
Milner? That's a big ask of someone who's barely a fringe player and is very young.

Surely you'd get Defoe to take one.
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I've seen Defoe miss a couple this season.
Milner would be a good un.
 
[quote author=TheFasterBlade link=topic=40729.msg1126210#msg1126210 date=1277467705]
His goal propelled England, who will again wear all-red against Germany, into the knockout phase but he has missed six of his past 11 penalties at Tottenham.
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Surely that qualifies him to take one for England ?
 
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[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=40729.msg1126200#msg1126200 date=1277466489]
Milner? That's a big ask of someone who's barely a fringe player and is very young.

Surely you'd get Defoe to take one.
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I've seen Defoe miss a couple this season.
Milner would be a good un.
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Milner strikes me as a very level-headed young man. Capello's first five seem a pretty sensible line-up to me provided he's confident Barry will last 120 minutes.
 
milner will be ok. I remember Owen taking one in 98 and he was only 18yrs old, top corner !!

Didn't carra get bought on back in 2006 just to take a pen then missed it, hope our boys don't miss one if needed.

Terry woulld be a worry, a bit of a Stuart Pearce thing in Euro 96 after Terry's miss in Russia

I think we will beat the Germans and I honestly think it is no certainty that Argies will beat MExico

Todays games will be interesting

I hope England win as I have a big pissup planned for next saturday
 
Carra's first penalty was very good, then it was clear he would miss when he had to re-take it.

I've said it many a time and am probably crazy, but we should have took Hargreaves as the 23rd man just to come on and take a penalty if necessary.
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=40729.msg1126200#msg1126200 date=1277466489]
Milner? That's a big ask of someone who's barely a fringe player and is very young.


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After his performance on Wednesday, I suspect Milner is now first choice at RM ahead of Lennon or SWP. Plus he seems to have been around in the Premier League forever.
 
Dopes anyone else think a list of who are 5 penalty takers would be getting out could be dangerous?

Surely the Germans will now study how those players take pens, just in case.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40729.msg1126106#msg1126106 date=1277458529]
penalties? that's a bit presumptuous, isn't it?
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You need a "Do you really want to post this?" button.
 
No doubt the Germany vs England game will be tight and may well go to Penalties.

I'd go: Gerrard, Lampard, Cole, Rooney and Barry.

I'm hoping for a result in 90' as pens are too stressful.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40729.msg1126476#msg1126476 date=1277496174]
Dopes anyone else think a list of who are 5 penalty takers would be getting out could be dangerous?

Surely the Germans will now study how those players take pens, just in case.
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Yeah, I'd have preferred us to sit on this info.too.

But most of all, like jexy, I hope we can beat them in the 90. A shootout against the Jairmens I can do without.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40729.msg1126106#msg1126106 date=1277458529]
penalties? that's a bit presumptuous, isn't it?
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You need a "Do you really want to post this?" button.
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hahaha. So true.
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=40729.msg1126481#msg1126481 date=1277496289]
No doubt the Germany vs England game will be tight and may well go to Penalties.

I'd go: Gerrard, Lampard, Cole, Rooney and Barry.

I'm hoping for a result in 90' as pens are too stressful.
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The reason they're stressful is because England are shit at them.

During the shootout against Milan in Istanbul I was cool as a cucumber.
 
Hell's teeth, I wasn't. Though it helped enormously to see the Kaiser walk up to take the first one. At that point I actually thought we'd win the thing, but I was still bricking it until The Dude's final save. After that the rest is a blur.
 
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[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=40729.msg1126481#msg1126481 date=1277496289]
No doubt the Germany vs England game will be tight and may well go to Penalties.

I'd go: Gerrard, Lampard, Cole, Rooney and Barry.

I'm hoping for a result in 90' as pens are too stressful.
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The reason they're stressful is because England are shit at them.

During the shootout against Milan in Istanbul I was cool as a cucumber.
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Ha ha true.

Although I think we beat Spain in a shootout once.
 
They are all proven penalty takers for their clubs and don't tend to miss many. But since club form usually doesn't count for much in an England shirt, I wouldn't be too hopeful.

I don't think the game will go to penalties anyway.
 
Why? 'Coz the Jairmens are so much better? I don't buy that, not if we can get anywhere near the players' potential.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40729.msg1126607#msg1126607 date=1277545575]not if we can get anywhere near the players' potential.
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Given that we've not seen the players play to their full potential nearly ever in a major international tournament, you can probably forgive the scepticism.
 
The Germans aren't better man for man, but they are a better team.

But maybe they shouldn't be delighted- I got this statistical factoid sent to me last night:

"according to Radio 4's (strangely engrossing) statistics programme 'More or Less' today, the German's have a 94% success rate when it comes to successfully scoring penalties in the World Cup, versus England's rather less impressive 50% rate.

Which, according to bi-nominal distribution, means that if Sunday's game does go to penalties,statistically, England have only a >1.4% chance of winning it."
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=40729.msg1126611#msg1126611 date=1277545786]
The Germans aren't better man for man, but they are a better team.

But maybe they shouldn't be delighted- I got this statistical factoid sent to me last night:

"according to Radio 4's (strangely engrossing) statistics programme 'More or Less' today, the German's have a 94% success rate when it comes to successfully scoring penalties in the World Cup, versus England's rather less impressive 50% rate.

Which, according to bi-nominal distribution, means that if Sunday's game does go to penalties,statistically, England have only a >1.4% chance of winning it."

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They should post that factoid on the wall in England's dressing room. That should get them going, although someone will have to explain it to Wayne.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40729.msg1126607#msg1126607 date=1277545575]not if we can get anywhere near the players' potential.
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Given that we've not seen the players play to their full potential nearly ever in a major international tournament, you can probably forgive the scepticism.
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Point is, I said "anywhere near" their potential. I'm painfully well aware that we have hardly ever seen them play to the max, but we've gone some way towards it at times and I reckon that could be enough, against a good but IMO by no means outstanding German team.
 
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