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[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44931.msg1354890#msg1354890 date=1308992118]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44931.msg1354881#msg1354881 date=1308991670]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44931.msg1354879#msg1354879 date=1308991631]
Not convinced, but hey he's still miles better than anything we had playing out on the wing last season i guess.
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Erm Suarez...
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I don't think ive ever seen Suarez play on the wing.
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Saved me a job.
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Against Man C?
Whenever we played:
Meireles
Maxi Suarez
Kuyt
Wasn't Suarez on the wing? Didn't he provide crosses for many of the goals Maxi scored?
Maybe I've just got it wrong, maybe he was a striker playing on the wing.
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44931.msg1354890#msg1354890 date=1308992118]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44931.msg1354881#msg1354881 date=1308991670]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44931.msg1354879#msg1354879 date=1308991631]
Not convinced, but hey he's still miles better than anything we had playing out on the wing last season i guess.
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Erm Suarez...
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I don't think ive ever seen Suarez play on the wing.
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Saved me a job.
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Against Man C?
Whenever we played:
Meireles
Maxi Suarez
Kuyt
Wasn't Suarez on the wing? Didn't he provide crosses for many of the goals Maxi scored?
Maybe I've just got it wrong, maybe he was a striker playing on the wing.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44931.msg1354900#msg1354900 date=1308992526]
Say all you like and dress it up however you like, but buying Stewart Downing for those types of figures is fucking ridiculous.
In 12 months time we'll all be hoping we buy someone better. Guaranteed.
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That's a scary thought considering that you're pretty much the only poster I really trust about player qualities on this site.
Say all you like and dress it up however you like, but buying Stewart Downing for those types of figures is fucking ridiculous.
In 12 months time we'll all be hoping we buy someone better. Guaranteed.
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That's a scary thought considering that you're pretty much the only poster I really trust about player qualities on this site.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44931.msg1354906#msg1354906 date=1308992670]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44931.msg1354900#msg1354900 date=1308992526]
Say all you like and dress it up however you like, but buying Stewart Downing for those types of figures is fucking ridiculous.
In 12 months time we'll all be hoping we buy someone better. Guaranteed.
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That's a scary thought considering that you're pretty much the only poster I really trust about player qualities on this site.
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Downing is ok, but we need better than ok... And those english players have a tendency to fade a bit when the size of their paycheck increases. I am not comfortable with this one....
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44931.msg1354900#msg1354900 date=1308992526]
Say all you like and dress it up however you like, but buying Stewart Downing for those types of figures is fucking ridiculous.
In 12 months time we'll all be hoping we buy someone better. Guaranteed.
[/quote]
That's a scary thought considering that you're pretty much the only poster I really trust about player qualities on this site.
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Downing is ok, but we need better than ok... And those english players have a tendency to fade a bit when the size of their paycheck increases. I am not comfortable with this one....
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=44931.msg1354909#msg1354909 date=1308992829]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44931.msg1354906#msg1354906 date=1308992670]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44931.msg1354900#msg1354900 date=1308992526]
Say all you like and dress it up however you like, but buying Stewart Downing for those types of figures is fucking ridiculous.
In 12 months time we'll all be hoping we buy someone better. Guaranteed.
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That's a scary thought considering that you're pretty much the only poster I really trust about player qualities on this site.
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Downing is ok, but we need better than ok... And those english players have a tendency to fade a bit when the size of their paycheck increases. I am not comfortable with this one....
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That's not true at all; I think we need to look at players ability to perform on the pitch as oppsed to whether notions we think they possess based on their nationality.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44931.msg1354906#msg1354906 date=1308992670]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44931.msg1354900#msg1354900 date=1308992526]
Say all you like and dress it up however you like, but buying Stewart Downing for those types of figures is fucking ridiculous.
In 12 months time we'll all be hoping we buy someone better. Guaranteed.
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That's a scary thought considering that you're pretty much the only poster I really trust about player qualities on this site.
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Downing is ok, but we need better than ok... And those english players have a tendency to fade a bit when the size of their paycheck increases. I am not comfortable with this one....
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That's not true at all; I think we need to look at players ability to perform on the pitch as oppsed to whether notions we think they possess based on their nationality.
Good post Avvy, but again that's kinda 'loads of promises' that we're selling any player. Nottingham forest had more tradition & honours than almost every other club 20 years ago, look at them.
'Past performance is not a guarantee of future rewards' is a disclaimer on shares linked investments, & football clubs.
Key to your post is settling for 'average players', I don't believe Downing is average, he's a quality winger, & better than anyone else there for us for well over a decade, arguably two decades.
The fact is, Mata has CL football now, to leave that to come to us would be a huge career risk on his part, so if we cant attract him & have to settle for Downing, isn't that surprising, nor is it that bad, it's just the truth.
Have a look at Utd's side. It's full of solid, dependable players who are ultra reliable, & there's very few world class players, yet they're the benchmark, like it or not.
I think almost everyone on this site (notable exceptions, Liam, Sunny, Vlad & StGeorge) are looking at individual names & grimacing, without thinking that each of them improves our team & squad by a fair margin. That increase in team performance will allow the likes of Stevie, Suarez, & Carroll to shine all the more.
Teamwork is key here, not individual names. I personally think we have as much flair & star creativity as we can both attract & afford, considering the positions we need strengthening.
'Past performance is not a guarantee of future rewards' is a disclaimer on shares linked investments, & football clubs.
Key to your post is settling for 'average players', I don't believe Downing is average, he's a quality winger, & better than anyone else there for us for well over a decade, arguably two decades.
The fact is, Mata has CL football now, to leave that to come to us would be a huge career risk on his part, so if we cant attract him & have to settle for Downing, isn't that surprising, nor is it that bad, it's just the truth.
Have a look at Utd's side. It's full of solid, dependable players who are ultra reliable, & there's very few world class players, yet they're the benchmark, like it or not.
I think almost everyone on this site (notable exceptions, Liam, Sunny, Vlad & StGeorge) are looking at individual names & grimacing, without thinking that each of them improves our team & squad by a fair margin. That increase in team performance will allow the likes of Stevie, Suarez, & Carroll to shine all the more.
Teamwork is key here, not individual names. I personally think we have as much flair & star creativity as we can both attract & afford, considering the positions we need strengthening.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44931.msg1354906#msg1354906 date=1308992670]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44931.msg1354900#msg1354900 date=1308992526]
Say all you like and dress it up however you like, but buying Stewart Downing for those types of figures is fucking ridiculous.
In 12 months time we'll all be hoping we buy someone better. Guaranteed.
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That's a scary thought considering that you're pretty much the only poster I really trust about player qualities on this site.
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This is how it works Modo :
Say he's going to flop : 50% chance of being right.
Say he's going to be no better than average : 75% chance of being right.
Say he's going to be no better than good : 99% chance of being right.
SAy he's going to be brilliant : 99% chance of being wrong.
Always play the odds 😉
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44931.msg1354900#msg1354900 date=1308992526]
Say all you like and dress it up however you like, but buying Stewart Downing for those types of figures is fucking ridiculous.
In 12 months time we'll all be hoping we buy someone better. Guaranteed.
[/quote]
That's a scary thought considering that you're pretty much the only poster I really trust about player qualities on this site.
[/quote]
This is how it works Modo :
Say he's going to flop : 50% chance of being right.
Say he's going to be no better than average : 75% chance of being right.
Say he's going to be no better than good : 99% chance of being right.
SAy he's going to be brilliant : 99% chance of being wrong.
Always play the odds 😉
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=44931.msg1354913#msg1354913 date=1308993144]
Good post Avvy, but again that's kinda 'loads of promises' that we're selling any player. Nottingham forest had more tradition & honours than almost every other club 20 years ago, look at them.
'Past performance is not a guarantee of future rewards' is a disclaimer on shares linked investments, & football clubs.
Key to your post is settling for 'average players', I don't believe Downing is average, he's a quality winger, & better than anyone else there for us for well over a decade, arguably two decades.
The fact is, Mata has CL football now, to leave that to come to us would be a huge career risk on his part, so if we cant attract him & have to settle for Downing, isn't that surprising, nor is it that bad, it's just the truth.
Have a look at Utd's side. It's full of solid, dependable players who are ultra reliable, & there's very few world class players, yet they're the benchmark, like it or not.
I think almost everyone on this site (notable exceptions, Liam, Sunny, Vlad & StGeorge) are looking at individual names & grimacing, without thinking that each of them improves our team & squad by a fair margin. That increase in team performance will allow the likes of Stevie, Suarez, & Carroll to shine all the more.
Teamwork is key here, not individual names. I personally think we have as much flair & star creativity as we can both attract & afford, considering the positions we need strengthening.
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The improving the team by a fair margin is an intersting one. Will Downing improve on what we got with a fair enough margin, taking 16-20 mill pound into concideration? And if we also take into concideration what 20 mill can buy us elsewhere will he then improve by fair enough margin?
Utd is a kind of benchmark. They have been boring as pooh this year, but still grinded out narrow wins.... But will people in the long run pay top money to watch a Wayne Rooney putting another defensive leftside shift?
Good post Avvy, but again that's kinda 'loads of promises' that we're selling any player. Nottingham forest had more tradition & honours than almost every other club 20 years ago, look at them.
'Past performance is not a guarantee of future rewards' is a disclaimer on shares linked investments, & football clubs.
Key to your post is settling for 'average players', I don't believe Downing is average, he's a quality winger, & better than anyone else there for us for well over a decade, arguably two decades.
The fact is, Mata has CL football now, to leave that to come to us would be a huge career risk on his part, so if we cant attract him & have to settle for Downing, isn't that surprising, nor is it that bad, it's just the truth.
Have a look at Utd's side. It's full of solid, dependable players who are ultra reliable, & there's very few world class players, yet they're the benchmark, like it or not.
I think almost everyone on this site (notable exceptions, Liam, Sunny, Vlad & StGeorge) are looking at individual names & grimacing, without thinking that each of them improves our team & squad by a fair margin. That increase in team performance will allow the likes of Stevie, Suarez, & Carroll to shine all the more.
Teamwork is key here, not individual names. I personally think we have as much flair & star creativity as we can both attract & afford, considering the positions we need strengthening.
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The improving the team by a fair margin is an intersting one. Will Downing improve on what we got with a fair enough margin, taking 16-20 mill pound into concideration? And if we also take into concideration what 20 mill can buy us elsewhere will he then improve by fair enough margin?
Utd is a kind of benchmark. They have been boring as pooh this year, but still grinded out narrow wins.... But will people in the long run pay top money to watch a Wayne Rooney putting another defensive leftside shift?
If they're winning, yes.
Does anyone here really think that CL football with an average team is more enticing than joining the LFC revolution under KK ? I know the average footballers' IQ level seems to be well below 100 (roughly the general population's average) but really do they not consider next season or the season after and think only of the coming season ? I think I'd give them more credit than that.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44931.msg1354919#msg1354919 date=1308993617]
If they're winning, yes.
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I am not sure.. They won last year, and the year before... Sooner or later winning is not enough?
If they're winning, yes.
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I am not sure.. They won last year, and the year before... Sooner or later winning is not enough?
I'll answer that when we're in that position 😉
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=44931.msg1354921#msg1354921 date=1308993756]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44931.msg1354919#msg1354919 date=1308993617]
If they're winning, yes.
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I am not sure.. They won last year, and the year before... Sooner or later winning is not enough?
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It's always enough ... unless you are Abramovich.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44931.msg1354919#msg1354919 date=1308993617]
If they're winning, yes.
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I am not sure.. They won last year, and the year before... Sooner or later winning is not enough?
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It's always enough ... unless you are Abramovich.
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=44931.msg1354923#msg1354923 date=1308993822]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=44931.msg1354921#msg1354921 date=1308993756]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44931.msg1354919#msg1354919 date=1308993617]
If they're winning, yes.
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I am not sure.. They won last year, and the year before... Sooner or later winning is not enough?
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It's always enough ... unless you are Abramovich.
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Well they won a record 19th league last year with an boring average team for them. And they even went to the CL final... But they were tought a lesson there, and I believe it hurts more than they want to show that they were openly spunked in front of the whole world. I have seen so many excuses that, well it was Barcelona, and it is not a shame to loose to them, but the lost in a shameful way, and it drowned their 19th title a little. It is not enoug to win the 20th title next season, they have met a new standard I think.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=44931.msg1354921#msg1354921 date=1308993756]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44931.msg1354919#msg1354919 date=1308993617]
If they're winning, yes.
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I am not sure.. They won last year, and the year before... Sooner or later winning is not enough?
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It's always enough ... unless you are Abramovich.
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Well they won a record 19th league last year with an boring average team for them. And they even went to the CL final... But they were tought a lesson there, and I believe it hurts more than they want to show that they were openly spunked in front of the whole world. I have seen so many excuses that, well it was Barcelona, and it is not a shame to loose to them, but the lost in a shameful way, and it drowned their 19th title a little. It is not enoug to win the 20th title next season, they have met a new standard I think.
In the long run people would pay to watch it if we'd just won our 19th title, & gotten to a another CL final, like they have, yeah.
The fee isn't important TBH. Sounds daft, but look at it this way, we cant attract the very best, we don't have CL football, simple as that. We have to then look at the very next best we can attract, if that's Downing, & he's overpriced, tough. We either buy mediocre prices who offer 'value' & don't improve, or we overpay & improve.
That's it, there's no in-between. Yes, should Mata declare his undying love for LFC, say he believes we will get in the CL & he can live without it for a season, & if the price is dropped to a level we can afford, of course he's the better option.
However, in the real world it isn't a realistic option.
The use of Suarez was an interesting example earlier, there was only us & Spurs that came in seriously for him, & Spurs would have got him had his scouts not said he did the same job as Van Der Vaart (who was still performing well before that Jan window). So it's not as if we beat off loads of high flying CL clubs to his signature.
The fee isn't important TBH. Sounds daft, but look at it this way, we cant attract the very best, we don't have CL football, simple as that. We have to then look at the very next best we can attract, if that's Downing, & he's overpriced, tough. We either buy mediocre prices who offer 'value' & don't improve, or we overpay & improve.
That's it, there's no in-between. Yes, should Mata declare his undying love for LFC, say he believes we will get in the CL & he can live without it for a season, & if the price is dropped to a level we can afford, of course he's the better option.
However, in the real world it isn't a realistic option.
The use of Suarez was an interesting example earlier, there was only us & Spurs that came in seriously for him, & Spurs would have got him had his scouts not said he did the same job as Van Der Vaart (who was still performing well before that Jan window). So it's not as if we beat off loads of high flying CL clubs to his signature.
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=44931.msg1354920#msg1354920 date=1308993729]
Does anyone here really think that CL football with an average team is more enticing than joining the LFC revolution under KK ? I know the average footballers' IQ level seems to be well below 100 (roughly the general population's average) but really do they not consider next season or the season after and think only of the coming season ? I think I'd give them more credit than that.
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With a CL team, there is always that small, 5-10% chance that they might actually have a miracle year and win the whole thing (us in 2005 for example). Footballers have short careers, I don't blame them for not wanting to burn a year out of top competition, I don't think it's as cut and dried as you're making it.
Does anyone here really think that CL football with an average team is more enticing than joining the LFC revolution under KK ? I know the average footballers' IQ level seems to be well below 100 (roughly the general population's average) but really do they not consider next season or the season after and think only of the coming season ? I think I'd give them more credit than that.
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With a CL team, there is always that small, 5-10% chance that they might actually have a miracle year and win the whole thing (us in 2005 for example). Footballers have short careers, I don't blame them for not wanting to burn a year out of top competition, I don't think it's as cut and dried as you're making it.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44931.msg1354922#msg1354922 date=1308993814]
I'll answer that when we're in that position 😉
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Haha. well, When spending a lot of time watching Liverpool not winning, we might as well play good football when not winning!!
I'll answer that when we're in that position 😉
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Haha. well, When spending a lot of time watching Liverpool not winning, we might as well play good football when not winning!!
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=44931.msg1354926#msg1354926 date=1308994066]
In the long run people would pay to watch it if we'd just won our 19th title, & gotten to a another CL final, like they have, yeah.
The fee isn't important TBH. Sounds daft, but look at it this way, we cant attract the very best, we don't have CL football, simple as that. We have to then look at the very next best we can attract, if that's Downing, & he's overpriced, tough. We either buy mediocre prices who offer 'value' & don't improve, or we overpay & improve.
That's it, there's no in-between. Yes, should Mata declare his undying love for LFC, say he believes we will get in the CL & he can live without it for a season, & if the price is dropped to a level we can afford, of course he's the better option.
However, in the real world it isn't a realistic option.
The use of Suarez was an interesting example earlier, there was only us & Spurs that came in seriously for him, & Spurs would have got him had his scouts not said he did the same job as Van Der Vaart (who was still performing well before that Jan window). So it's not as if we beat off loads of high flying CL clubs to his signature.
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As much as I hate the prospect of buying Downing for 19m pounds, this post is right on the money. God damn it.
In the long run people would pay to watch it if we'd just won our 19th title, & gotten to a another CL final, like they have, yeah.
The fee isn't important TBH. Sounds daft, but look at it this way, we cant attract the very best, we don't have CL football, simple as that. We have to then look at the very next best we can attract, if that's Downing, & he's overpriced, tough. We either buy mediocre prices who offer 'value' & don't improve, or we overpay & improve.
That's it, there's no in-between. Yes, should Mata declare his undying love for LFC, say he believes we will get in the CL & he can live without it for a season, & if the price is dropped to a level we can afford, of course he's the better option.
However, in the real world it isn't a realistic option.
The use of Suarez was an interesting example earlier, there was only us & Spurs that came in seriously for him, & Spurs would have got him had his scouts not said he did the same job as Van Der Vaart (who was still performing well before that Jan window). So it's not as if we beat off loads of high flying CL clubs to his signature.
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As much as I hate the prospect of buying Downing for 19m pounds, this post is right on the money. God damn it.
Sorry to go off topic, but why wasn't there big interest in Suarez? Concerns over his attitude/conduct?
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=44931.msg1354920#msg1354920 date=1308993729]
Does anyone here really think that CL football with an average team is more enticing than joining the LFC revolution under KK ? I know the average footballers' IQ level seems to be well below 100 (roughly the general population's average) but really do they not consider next season or the season after and think only of the coming season ? I think I'd give them more credit than that.
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Hahaha, you're all refusing to look at this from a NEUTRAL perspective.
From their perspective we had a capable manager in Hodgson yet were playing very badly, then a legendary ex-player & manager was brought in as a last resort, we sold our best striker for years to a rival & hit lucky spending the cash on Suarez, then we played much better footy & still only finished seventh.
Now we're overpaying for British talent looking to build a side for the next few years, with no guarantee that last season's start wont be repeated.
Yes, we know there's more to it than that, but I guarantee that summary is how 99% of neutral fans & players see it.
Does anyone here really think that CL football with an average team is more enticing than joining the LFC revolution under KK ? I know the average footballers' IQ level seems to be well below 100 (roughly the general population's average) but really do they not consider next season or the season after and think only of the coming season ? I think I'd give them more credit than that.
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Hahaha, you're all refusing to look at this from a NEUTRAL perspective.
From their perspective we had a capable manager in Hodgson yet were playing very badly, then a legendary ex-player & manager was brought in as a last resort, we sold our best striker for years to a rival & hit lucky spending the cash on Suarez, then we played much better footy & still only finished seventh.
Now we're overpaying for British talent looking to build a side for the next few years, with no guarantee that last season's start wont be repeated.
Yes, we know there's more to it than that, but I guarantee that summary is how 99% of neutral fans & players see it.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44931.msg1354930#msg1354930 date=1308994243]
Sorry to go off topic, but why wasn't there big interest in Suarez? Concerns over his attitude/conduct?
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Well it defos show that slightly more than the Downing fee can get you top performers!
Sorry to go off topic, but why wasn't there big interest in Suarez? Concerns over his attitude/conduct?
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Well it defos show that slightly more than the Downing fee can get you top performers!
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44931.msg1354930#msg1354930 date=1308994243]
Sorry to go off topic, but why wasn't there big interest in Suarez? Concerns over his attitude/conduct?
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Possibly due to how many thousands of high flying, high scoring players from the Dutch league come here & flop miserably.
Sorry to go off topic, but why wasn't there big interest in Suarez? Concerns over his attitude/conduct?
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Possibly due to how many thousands of high flying, high scoring players from the Dutch league come here & flop miserably.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=44931.msg1354932#msg1354932 date=1308994368]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44931.msg1354930#msg1354930 date=1308994243]
Sorry to go off topic, but why wasn't there big interest in Suarez? Concerns over his attitude/conduct?
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Well it defos show that slightly more than the Downing fee can get you top performers!
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Or, seeing as Kenny scouted him from the start to the last, that the man knows good football players. So therefore we should trust his opinion about Downing, & not a bunch of people on the internet who don't think he's good enough.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44931.msg1354930#msg1354930 date=1308994243]
Sorry to go off topic, but why wasn't there big interest in Suarez? Concerns over his attitude/conduct?
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Well it defos show that slightly more than the Downing fee can get you top performers!
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Or, seeing as Kenny scouted him from the start to the last, that the man knows good football players. So therefore we should trust his opinion about Downing, & not a bunch of people on the internet who don't think he's good enough.
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=44931.msg1354934#msg1354934 date=1308994519]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=44931.msg1354932#msg1354932 date=1308994368]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44931.msg1354930#msg1354930 date=1308994243]
Sorry to go off topic, but why wasn't there big interest in Suarez? Concerns over his attitude/conduct?
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Well it defos show that slightly more than the Downing fee can get you top performers!
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Or, seeing as Kenny scouted him from the start to the last, that the man knows good football players. So therefore we should trust his opinion about Downing, & not a bunch of people on the internet who don't think he's good enough.
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I am not worried about Kenny getting a decent season out of Downing. But I still disagree that buying Downing is the way to go to reach our hairy goals about winning everything!
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=44931.msg1354932#msg1354932 date=1308994368]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44931.msg1354930#msg1354930 date=1308994243]
Sorry to go off topic, but why wasn't there big interest in Suarez? Concerns over his attitude/conduct?
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Well it defos show that slightly more than the Downing fee can get you top performers!
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Or, seeing as Kenny scouted him from the start to the last, that the man knows good football players. So therefore we should trust his opinion about Downing, & not a bunch of people on the internet who don't think he's good enough.
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I am not worried about Kenny getting a decent season out of Downing. But I still disagree that buying Downing is the way to go to reach our hairy goals about winning everything!
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=44931.msg1354915#msg1354915 date=1308993386]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44931.msg1354906#msg1354906 date=1308992670]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44931.msg1354900#msg1354900 date=1308992526]
Say all you like and dress it up however you like, but buying Stewart Downing for those types of figures is fucking ridiculous.
In 12 months time we'll all be hoping we buy someone better. Guaranteed.
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That's a scary thought considering that you're pretty much the only poster I really trust about player qualities on this site.
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This is how it works Modo :
Say he's going to flop : 50% chance of being right.
Say he's going to be no better than average : 75% chance of being right.
Say he's going to be no better than good : 99% chance of being right.
SAy he's going to be brilliant : 99% chance of being wrong.
Always play the odds 😉
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True!
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44931.msg1354900#msg1354900 date=1308992526]
Say all you like and dress it up however you like, but buying Stewart Downing for those types of figures is fucking ridiculous.
In 12 months time we'll all be hoping we buy someone better. Guaranteed.
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That's a scary thought considering that you're pretty much the only poster I really trust about player qualities on this site.
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This is how it works Modo :
Say he's going to flop : 50% chance of being right.
Say he's going to be no better than average : 75% chance of being right.
Say he's going to be no better than good : 99% chance of being right.
SAy he's going to be brilliant : 99% chance of being wrong.
Always play the odds 😉
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True!
So Maxi was muck for most of the season, chipped in with a few goals at the end and now he's cemented his place in the team. He's a decent squad player. I'm not that happy about Downing coming but he's an improvement on what we've had playing at left wing. By a long shot.
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[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=44931.msg1354920#msg1354920 date=1308993729]
Does anyone here really think that CL football with an average team is more enticing than joining the LFC revolution under KK ? I know the average footballers' IQ level seems to be well below 100 (roughly the general population's average) but really do they not consider next season or the season after and think only of the coming season ? I think I'd give them more credit than that.
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With a CL team, there is always that small, 5-10% chance that they might actually have a miracle year and win the whole thing (us in 2005 for example). Footballers have short careers, I don't blame them for not wanting to burn a year out of top competition, I don't think it's as cut and dried as you're making it.
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it's far far less than 5-10% !
The last time a 'small' team won it, it was Porto in 2004, the last time before that Borrusia Dortmund in 1997 and the last time one made the final (other than 2004 when Monaco played Porto) was Bayer Leverkusen in 2002, Valencia in 2000 & 2001 then Sampdoria in 1997. Since more and more the finalists are coming from the monied clubs I think it's safe to say that the chances of a club other than one of the elite making the final are now at an all time low.
If we say there are an average of maybe 60 teams per year over the period of 1997 to 2011 (there were 76 in 2010/11) then that's 15x60=900. Divide 900 by the number of 'small clubs' making a final (6) and that's 150:1 or less than 0.66% of a chance of making a CL final, unless you play for one of the elite. The chance of winning it less than 0.22%. Not good odds.
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=44931.msg1354920#msg1354920 date=1308993729]
Does anyone here really think that CL football with an average team is more enticing than joining the LFC revolution under KK ? I know the average footballers' IQ level seems to be well below 100 (roughly the general population's average) but really do they not consider next season or the season after and think only of the coming season ? I think I'd give them more credit than that.
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With a CL team, there is always that small, 5-10% chance that they might actually have a miracle year and win the whole thing (us in 2005 for example). Footballers have short careers, I don't blame them for not wanting to burn a year out of top competition, I don't think it's as cut and dried as you're making it.
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it's far far less than 5-10% !
The last time a 'small' team won it, it was Porto in 2004, the last time before that Borrusia Dortmund in 1997 and the last time one made the final (other than 2004 when Monaco played Porto) was Bayer Leverkusen in 2002, Valencia in 2000 & 2001 then Sampdoria in 1997. Since more and more the finalists are coming from the monied clubs I think it's safe to say that the chances of a club other than one of the elite making the final are now at an all time low.
If we say there are an average of maybe 60 teams per year over the period of 1997 to 2011 (there were 76 in 2010/11) then that's 15x60=900. Divide 900 by the number of 'small clubs' making a final (6) and that's 150:1 or less than 0.66% of a chance of making a CL final, unless you play for one of the elite. The chance of winning it less than 0.22%. Not good odds.
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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=44931.msg1354934#msg1354934 date=1308994519]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=44931.msg1354932#msg1354932 date=1308994368]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44931.msg1354930#msg1354930 date=1308994243]
Sorry to go off topic, but why wasn't there big interest in Suarez? Concerns over his attitude/conduct?
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Well it defos show that slightly more than the Downing fee can get you top performers!
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Or, seeing as Kenny scouted him from the start to the last, that the man knows good football players. So therefore we should trust his opinion about Downing, & not a bunch of people on the internet who don't think he's good enough.
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I am not worried about Kenny getting a decent season out of Downing. But I still disagree that buying Downing is the way to go to reach our hairy goals about winning everything!
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Our "hairy" goals?
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[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=44931.msg1354932#msg1354932 date=1308994368]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44931.msg1354930#msg1354930 date=1308994243]
Sorry to go off topic, but why wasn't there big interest in Suarez? Concerns over his attitude/conduct?
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Well it defos show that slightly more than the Downing fee can get you top performers!
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Or, seeing as Kenny scouted him from the start to the last, that the man knows good football players. So therefore we should trust his opinion about Downing, & not a bunch of people on the internet who don't think he's good enough.
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I am not worried about Kenny getting a decent season out of Downing. But I still disagree that buying Downing is the way to go to reach our hairy goals about winning everything!
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Our "hairy" goals?
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