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I still instinctively feel like the wheels could fall off at anytime and we could come unstuck in a game. Our matches and frailties have been too marginal to fully "believe" we can do it convingly enough to not have these reservations. We're still very open as a team and top heavy in attackers while lacking real depth in defense. We seem to have readdressed the balance that was lost though with the departure of Suarez, so who knows? Maybe all we need is a bit of luck?
Klopp has done a tremendous job to get us back in the thick of it so quickly, we're back to playing some breathtaking football again and really putting teams to the sword as an attacking force. If the defense can stay fit and start to get their shit together, then I can only see us continuing to progress. But like I say, I still think the old frailties will take some time to be eradicated.
Klopp has done a tremendous job to get us back in the thick of it so quickly, we're back to playing some breathtaking football again and really putting teams to the sword as an attacking force. If the defense can stay fit and start to get their shit together, then I can only see us continuing to progress. But like I say, I still think the old frailties will take some time to be eradicated.
This doubters to believers thingy is a bit of a cringey line to be honest but whatever's.
Onto the important stuff...
According to Sky Sports, since Klopp too charge in October 2015, we're literally first in the League when it comes to goals scored, possession, tackles per game and sprints per game. Now I know stats can be twisted any which way but that's some positive shit right there.
We have a highly energetic, free flowing team with skill, movement, goals....all under the Management of a high calibre Manager whom the players clearly admire and respect.
We're playing some great stuff and we've taken 7 points at Arsenal Spurs and Chelsea. That's seriously impressive. Yes we're not perfect and we really need to eradicate the sloppy, slow starts in certain games and the poxy goals etc but because we support the team all the negative things are scrutinised much more and the positives can be overlooked. We've also no European commitments which will undoubtedly be a factor in the closing months of the season.
If we take all that into consideration and forget we're Liverpool fans for a second, you'd be hard pressed to find reasons why this team can't go and challenge got the League. We might bottle it in a few weeks at home to United and then draw with West Brom and we're all scratching our heads again but right now we've fuck all to fear in this League.
Onto the important stuff...
According to Sky Sports, since Klopp too charge in October 2015, we're literally first in the League when it comes to goals scored, possession, tackles per game and sprints per game. Now I know stats can be twisted any which way but that's some positive shit right there.
We have a highly energetic, free flowing team with skill, movement, goals....all under the Management of a high calibre Manager whom the players clearly admire and respect.
We're playing some great stuff and we've taken 7 points at Arsenal Spurs and Chelsea. That's seriously impressive. Yes we're not perfect and we really need to eradicate the sloppy, slow starts in certain games and the poxy goals etc but because we support the team all the negative things are scrutinised much more and the positives can be overlooked. We've also no European commitments which will undoubtedly be a factor in the closing months of the season.
If we take all that into consideration and forget we're Liverpool fans for a second, you'd be hard pressed to find reasons why this team can't go and challenge got the League. We might bottle it in a few weeks at home to United and then draw with West Brom and we're all scratching our heads again but right now we've fuck all to fear in this League.
We won't win the league with this defence. Simple as that.
That said I didn't expect us to do challenge for the league.
We should finish top four I'd we can keep this up (or even improve), but as well the defence being shaky as fuck, we're not clinical enough. That may sound nuts considering how much we're scoring, but we've taken a lot more chances to score those goals than we should, & in many games that will cost us dearly, cos we won't always be able to create so many chances.
I'm happy enough with the job he's done so far.
That said I didn't expect us to do challenge for the league.
We should finish top four I'd we can keep this up (or even improve), but as well the defence being shaky as fuck, we're not clinical enough. That may sound nuts considering how much we're scoring, but we've taken a lot more chances to score those goals than we should, & in many games that will cost us dearly, cos we won't always be able to create so many chances.
I'm happy enough with the job he's done so far.
I am not saying that our defense is all that but I think it is important in its appraisal to take into account our current style of play.
With the new current trend towards emphasizing attack over defence I suspect that there will be other sides who will have out of character leaky defenses as well.
With the new current trend towards emphasizing attack over defence I suspect that there will be other sides who will have out of character leaky defenses as well.
We were ridiculously fortunate to get Klopp. He and his two buddies make a really professional team.
But they're competing against obscenely rich and powerful clubs. And our owners are still pretty flaky in their support. We'll need incredible luck for even Klopp's work to produce a title, but he's our best chance by a long, long way.
But they're competing against obscenely rich and powerful clubs. And our owners are still pretty flaky in their support. We'll need incredible luck for even Klopp's work to produce a title, but he's our best chance by a long, long way.
Based on last season anything can happen and with our situation we have the best possible manager to get us where we all want to be.
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We support a big big team - the question you should ask yourselves is why you would even doubt ? - especially since this league does not hold any super world class talent to create a unbalanced league. We are going to kill them all (words of Optimus Prime - Transformers 3).
MORON.
We support a big big team - the question you should ask yourselves is why you would even doubt ? - especially since this league does not hold any super world class talent to create a unbalanced league. We are going to kill them all (words of Optimus Prime - Transformers 3).
MORON.
Agreed. I think momentum is such a huge thing in football nowadays though and Liverpool as a Club feeds of it more than most in my view. It was massive on our way to Istanbul 2005 and it was there again in 2014 when we won 11 games on the spin and but for an unfortunate slip would've surely went on to win the League. It can carry us a long, long may and I'm not suggesting it will this season...I'm as worried as anyone of us coming crashing back down to earth with a bang but we've got a great thing going at the min and there's every reason to be optimistic and dare I say it having thoughts of a Title challenge and all the rest...against the odds or otherwise.
Last season after two cup final losses - I learnt something big; I was really pissed about it but when I look back there is something more to the club now bought about by the presence of Klopp. It is just so exciting from one game to the next - with this high pressing intensity game; we dominate games no matter the opponent and go for it in every game - the old cagey affair we use to see under GH, and Rafa is now gone - its all about the attack and blitzing the opposition - if we never win jack shit again and get this excitement from game to game - I will still love it. I think under Klopp - the team spirit has to be high; and how much the team succeeds will depend on the self-motivation of players - as far as I am concerned Klopp has setup the system; and provided them with the tactics and framework to succeed. They just have to use their brains - and I am truly on-board and fucking ready for the good/fun times ahead.
I honestly have no fear of the opposition that we may face now - I really don't have any doubts because I know we will give them the game of their miserable lives. Seriously - all of you who the fuck are Spurs, Man U, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, and the rest of the them ? - bring it on I say !!!!
Not being in Europe is of huge benefit in the league this year to us and at a crucial time for the players development under Klopp.
Less fatigue/injuries, much more time on the training ground implementing klopps methods and increased time for klopp and the staff to properly analyze matches and prepare thoroughly for the next test.
Our players are being afforded the opportunity to get Klopp's system into their dna in a way that would never have happened in a 60 game season.
It's not just a possible title challenge this year we should be excited about, this season might just prove the platform for a longer term Klopp legacy.
Less fatigue/injuries, much more time on the training ground implementing klopps methods and increased time for klopp and the staff to properly analyze matches and prepare thoroughly for the next test.
Our players are being afforded the opportunity to get Klopp's system into their dna in a way that would never have happened in a 60 game season.
It's not just a possible title challenge this year we should be excited about, this season might just prove the platform for a longer term Klopp legacy.
Largely agree, except for the very first bit. Not only do I not think the "doubters to believers" line is cringy, I think it was absolutely essential for Klopp to lay out right from the very beginning that this was what had to happen.
I tend to agree JJ.
We've been largely great this season so far, but need to keep that momentum going. I do fear there are another couple of Burnley results in us though, that might be where we come undone.
It was essential we started like this to get a proper run at the top four, bringing Champions League football back to Anfield has to be the bare minimum this season; but who knows where this form might take us.
It was essential we started like this to get a proper run at the top four, bringing Champions League football back to Anfield has to be the bare minimum this season; but who knows where this form might take us.
What is crucial is that we overcome that terrible mental frailty the team has when it's close to winning something. I really hope we take the League Cup ultra-seriously for that reason. We collapsed against Palace during the run-in, we were pitiful against Villa (of all teams) in the cup semi final, we choked against City in last year's final, and of course we crumbled in the Europa final. If this team could finally win something, then it can really go forward. But until then the doubts will inevitably remain.
It's odd, cos it's complete reverse of the recent past.
For at least a decade or so we would win trophies despite not being the most talented team there, & often weren't even the most in form team in any given competition. On top of that we would be sometimes outmatched, or even outplayed, in finals, yet would have that complete & utter self belief tat we could win it.
Now in the last couple of seasons we've been the most in form team, yet haven't had that self belief & will to win which helped us so much.
I dont think it's much of a stretch to correlate that habit with our less than solid defence. The fact that the side knows that being a couple of goals up in a game may not be enough, & that the opponents can so often score with every other set piece or quality ball in the box, must have a huge effect on players in big games who should be able to think playing it safe will shut the game down.
Snap.
I need to see us performing at a high level and winning over a period of time before I begin to believe that Liverpool aren't just setting me up for another fall.
Let's just enjoy the ride lads - this is going to be another roller coaster ride of a season.
At the end of the season - when we've all come together from far and wide to get pissed and celebrate our glorious title winning season at the first ever SCM We Are the Champions Drinkies, we'll look back on this thread with fond memories.
Don't worry.... you can all buy me a drink in late May/early June - depending on whether we're doing the double/triple.
At the end of the season - when we've all come together from far and wide to get pissed and celebrate our glorious title winning season at the first ever SCM We Are the Champions Drinkies, we'll look back on this thread with fond memories.
Don't worry.... you can all buy me a drink in late May/early June - depending on whether we're doing the double/triple.
I would add to that the lack of having a decent keeper who can dominate his box and having one that puts his teamates under pressure with injudicious passing doesn't help confidence either .I do think the defending set pieces is more of a problem generally for every side now we have a supposed crack down on holding in the box.
However I do also think we have shown some signs of improvement too and Klopp has the chance to organise and coach us into a better unit with more time available than last year.
We've made a promising start just by bringing Matip in, though there's a fair bit more work to do yet.
Still need a lot of convincing after the showing in the EL final last season. I know we have improved with the players we brought in, but nothing is proven until we win something. Very least we should achieve is top four.
Put an 18 year old Michael Owen and a 20 year old Steven Gerrard in this team and we will start shitting trophies likes Juande Ramos once again. Players who can step up in finals are a special breed. We were lucky we had two of them. Jury is out on our current set of stars in that aspect.
We did bottle it a bit, but my recollection is that we deserved a bit more out of the final against City than we got.
Still, two finals in one season was a marked improvement on the previous years.
That it was, and - Suarez aside - substantially with the same set of players. Of course it's true that we've a way to go yet, but based on what we've seen so far I'm increasingly confident we're on the right track.
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