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Yep, we waited till the last day of his buyout clause to activate it, prior to that we had been negotiating for two weeks.
Endo we over paid. Gravernberch was signed by Munich for £17m, so despite him not playing much we more than paid double what Munich paid for him. If Klopp wanted him last season, why didn't they get him last season?
Jorge has shown nothing to deserve an extension, and a more competent D.o.F is needed.
Yes I understood that to be the case too. You can see why now as well!
Maybe but seems he just stole and repackaged it from elsewhere on Twitter. So could be something in it.
It actually makes sense if no one else is willing to go along with our crazy situation.
Munich paid €18.5m, 12M later we pay €40m for a player who is considered a flop. If he lives upto his potential no one will care.
Now Nat was supposed to be sold for £10m, big Jorge couldn't find a buyer for an HG talent who is forever dependable. If Julian Ward is coming back (beyond Indykhalia, I have found nothing to corroborate that Julian Ward is looking to comeback), hopefully, the club will give him the role to shape recruitment and transfers where by we sell talent that have passed their peak.
Reportedly on £65k/W, about average for the Prem
Gravenberch has over 100 games for Ajax and played in the CL as an 18 year old. Has 11 caps for Holland at the age of 21 and moved "cheaply" to Bayern because he had 12 months left on his contract. Bought as a young player to a set team and havent gotten his chance bar getting involved in 30 + games as a sub. But that doesnt change the fact that this a very talented player with a high ceiling. A flop? Thats a bit much for a kid going through manager changes etc.
If you look at other fees for similar players and the fact that he moved late in the window, its a very good deal.
Add that Edwards liked him, the data guys liked him, that he's clearly Klopps first choice and that he passed the eye test at Anfield in spectacular fashion.
34 mill. Fucking steal.
If you look at other fees for similar players and the fact that he moved late in the window, its a very good deal.
Add that Edwards liked him, the data guys liked him, that he's clearly Klopps first choice and that he passed the eye test at Anfield in spectacular fashion.
34 mill. Fucking steal.
I don't know of a reliable source for player wages (and why would there be one, to be fair), but I would take a guess that the average is pushed up by the top clubs, including us.
The kind of clubs who might want Phillips are less likely to be paying that on average, especially not with a fee on top.
We may well have fucked up a bit with him, but it's a long term fuck up if so. It's not just this summer.
Gravy has all been explained - the fee Bayern paid was low because he was going in to his final year.
He’d also given his word to Bayern and honoured it. That at least shows a bit of decency.
Endo… I mean, overpaid isn’t probably the right word - he cost £15m - that’s pretty much fuck all in todays market. I’d imagine he’s not on big money either, so there’s that to consider.
I mean - when you consider some of the sums paid for other players - we didn’t get rinsed that badly on any of the deals - in fact if you average out the 4 deals we’re bang on our £35m a player sweet spot!!!
Which is exactly why sticking in the boot makes no fucking sense whatsoever. He oversees signings and we’ve made great ones from a league he knows Better than anyone else at the club. If anything the speculation should be in favour or singing his praises.
Since when is 17m for a top flight teams captain overpaying when every man and his dog knows we had over 100m to spend?
Gravy went for 17m as he had 1 year left on his contract. He had 4 when we bought him. Both were very good quick deals.
Can you think of a top team that sold their captain for less than £17m?
Not a team where said captain was first choice week in week out and their main man.
Yes - equally Stuttgart are shite.
We didn’t pay over the odds by much - because he wasn’t worth very much given age, contract, etc - but we paid very much towards the upper end of what he was worth.
Is what it is - just funny how we seemingly haggle for weeks over a few £££m over Lavia and then don’t over Endo.
It’s almost as if we needed to be certain we signed someone… anyone.
Couldn’t disagree more. He’s 30 not 35.
Can you point me to calls please?
I don't think there is any doubt that neither Palace nor Stuttgart (or Fulham for that matter) were going to sell us their most important player just before the start of the season, unless we overpaid massively above their market value, and of these, we caved and picked the signing that was less outrageous in terms of price?
I'm glad we signed Endo but you can't deny the circumstances in which we signed him don't reflect well on our DOF.
We basically pulled an Al-Ittihad on them.
I'm glad we signed Endo but you can't deny the circumstances in which we signed him don't reflect well on our DOF.
We basically pulled an Al-Ittihad on them.
None of us really know what happens behind the scenes of course, but it hardly looks like a process that is working super-efficiently when we are signing one midfielder a week after the season has started and then another one in the very last hours before the window closes.
Not criticising the signings themselves, fees seem fine, players seem decent, but it's hard to argue that there is any advantage to not doing it earlier.
It's not a sackable offence, but it's not great either!
Not criticising the signings themselves, fees seem fine, players seem decent, but it's hard to argue that there is any advantage to not doing it earlier.
It's not a sackable offence, but it's not great either!
How legit is Indykaila these days?
Since when has IndyKalia been a source? He’s as much as a source as my next door neighbour Spongebob.
Indykalia has simply stolen and repackaged the news off others on Twitter so he's neither a bad nor good source. He's barely a source at all.
Seems quite a lot of ppl close to the club are saying Ward is seriously considering a return but only as a consultant to FSG, or some other part time role.
Edwards has been approached but wants no part of it apparently. Once Klopped twice shy.
Seems quite a lot of ppl close to the club are saying Ward is seriously considering a return but only as a consultant to FSG, or some other part time role.
Edwards has been approached but wants no part of it apparently. Once Klopped twice shy.
Former Liverpool sporting director Michael Edwards to return to football with advisory firm Ludonautics
By David Ornstein
11m ago
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Former Liverpool sporting director Michael Edwards is to make his much-anticipated comeback to sport by launching an advisory service alongside the club’s ex-director of research, Ian Graham.
Since leaving Anfield last summer there has been regular speculation about where Edwards (pictured left, alongside Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp and Fenway Sports Group president Mike Gordon) would appear next, with Chelsea among many sides in Britain and abroad to approach the Englishman.
But following a year-long break from the game, he is now preparing to return as a non-executive director of Graham’s new company, Ludonautics.
The firm will offer its skills and experience to ownership groups and teams as they look to engineer progress and success on and off the pitch.
Edwards’ role will not prevent him taking permanent employment elsewhere, however those with knowledge of the situation believe it is the focus of his attention for at least the immediate future, and are adamant that he does not intend to undertake another sporting director post in his career.
GO DEEPER
Michael Edwards — the visionary behind Liverpool’s remarkable rise
Edwards and Graham played a central part in the most decorated period of Liverpool’s modern history, helping bring a first Premier League title and a sixth European Cup to the red half of Merseyside.
While Edwards has developed a strong public reputation across the industry as a consequence of his work, Graham is not so high-profile yet is also regarded among the leading operators in his field.
Graham lent his expertise to the Premier League and Tottenham Hotspur before joining Liverpool in 2012. The Welshman built and implemented the competition’s first data science department, using statistics to assist decision-making on player recruitment, performance analysis and more. Prior to arriving at Liverpool in 2011, Edwards was also Tottenham, and previously Portsmouth.
The pair have turned down numerous opportunities to go in-house and replicate the Liverpool model for domestic and continental rivals.
Their desire was to run a business that can provide assistance to multiple clients in various divisions, potentially transitioning to different sports.
Existing and prospective club owners have already shown interest in contracting Ludonautics, which has lined up high-level staff for a project that is likely to properly get off the ground in 2024.
Graham will concentrate mainly on the data and Edwards’ input is seen as crucial when trying to educate and convince managers and hierarchies on how to incorporate it into everything they do.
By David Ornstein
11m ago
1
Former Liverpool sporting director Michael Edwards is to make his much-anticipated comeback to sport by launching an advisory service alongside the club’s ex-director of research, Ian Graham.
Since leaving Anfield last summer there has been regular speculation about where Edwards (pictured left, alongside Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp and Fenway Sports Group president Mike Gordon) would appear next, with Chelsea among many sides in Britain and abroad to approach the Englishman.
But following a year-long break from the game, he is now preparing to return as a non-executive director of Graham’s new company, Ludonautics.
The firm will offer its skills and experience to ownership groups and teams as they look to engineer progress and success on and off the pitch.
Edwards’ role will not prevent him taking permanent employment elsewhere, however those with knowledge of the situation believe it is the focus of his attention for at least the immediate future, and are adamant that he does not intend to undertake another sporting director post in his career.
GO DEEPER
Michael Edwards — the visionary behind Liverpool’s remarkable rise
Edwards and Graham played a central part in the most decorated period of Liverpool’s modern history, helping bring a first Premier League title and a sixth European Cup to the red half of Merseyside.
While Edwards has developed a strong public reputation across the industry as a consequence of his work, Graham is not so high-profile yet is also regarded among the leading operators in his field.
Graham lent his expertise to the Premier League and Tottenham Hotspur before joining Liverpool in 2012. The Welshman built and implemented the competition’s first data science department, using statistics to assist decision-making on player recruitment, performance analysis and more. Prior to arriving at Liverpool in 2011, Edwards was also Tottenham, and previously Portsmouth.
The pair have turned down numerous opportunities to go in-house and replicate the Liverpool model for domestic and continental rivals.
Their desire was to run a business that can provide assistance to multiple clients in various divisions, potentially transitioning to different sports.
Existing and prospective club owners have already shown interest in contracting Ludonautics, which has lined up high-level staff for a project that is likely to properly get off the ground in 2024.
Graham will concentrate mainly on the data and Edwards’ input is seen as crucial when trying to educate and convince managers and hierarchies on how to incorporate it into everything they do.
Let's be honest - you have absolutely no idea what he has or hasn't done !
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