Does Wenger get a % from the profit margin?

[Oncy]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46639.msg1389730#msg1389730 date=1314562721]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46639.msg1389729#msg1389729 date=1314562665]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46639.msg1389726#msg1389726 date=1314562518]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46639.msg1389724#msg1389724 date=1314562136]
And besides, no gooner ever called me ni&£er.
[/quote]

what's that got to do with anything?

anyway, with the players arsenal have coming back they are more than capable of going on a run so I don't want to see the chances of that run increased by them spending money.
[/quote]Oh sorry. My mistake, i thought you wanted to know what i wanted, not what i thought you wanted.

[/quote]

ha ha touché 🙂
[/quote]*knucks*

 

[Richey]

[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46639.msg1389709#msg1389709 date=1314560743]
He should be sacked. I don't understand the sympathy he's getting from some posters here. He hasn't won anything for 6 years. Rafa went less without a trophy and there was a witch hunt and Rafa's hands were tied more in the market. Conceding 8 goals is humiliating. They are out of the championship race already and probably top 4 too. They've sold 4 of their better players to the team sitting on top of the league. His time is up.
[/quote]

How do you know Benitez's hands were 'more tied in the market'? We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes at Arsenal. Maybe if Wenger blurted out all of his problems at Arsenal the same way Benitez did we might be seeing things rather differently.

 

[KopKing]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=46639.msg1389732#msg1389732 date=1314562928]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46639.msg1389709#msg1389709 date=1314560743]
He should be sacked. I don't understand the sympathy he's getting from some posters here. He hasn't won anything for 6 years. Rafa went less without a trophy and there was a witch hunt and Rafa's hands were tied more in the market. Conceding 8 goals is humiliating. They are out of the championship race already and probably top 4 too. They've sold 4 of their better players to the team sitting on top of the league. His time is up.
[/quote]

How do you know Benitez's hands were 'more tied in the market'? We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes at Arsenal. Maybe if Wenger blurted out all of his problems at Arsenal the same way Benitez did we might be seeing things rather differently.
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Because I read Brian Reade's book.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46639.msg1389733#msg1389733 date=1314563016]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=46639.msg1389732#msg1389732 date=1314562928]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46639.msg1389709#msg1389709 date=1314560743]
He should be sacked. I don't understand the sympathy he's getting from some posters here. He hasn't won anything for 6 years. Rafa went less without a trophy and there was a witch hunt and Rafa's hands were tied more in the market. Conceding 8 goals is humiliating. They are out of the championship race already and probably top 4 too. They've sold 4 of their better players to the team sitting on top of the league. His time is up.
[/quote]

How do you know Benitez's hands were 'more tied in the market'? We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes at Arsenal. Maybe if Wenger blurted out all of his problems at Arsenal the same way Benitez did we might be seeing things rather differently.
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Because I read Brian Reade's book.
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Does that say what is going on at Arsenal then?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46639.msg1389733#msg1389733 date=1314563016]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=46639.msg1389732#msg1389732 date=1314562928]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46639.msg1389709#msg1389709 date=1314560743]
He should be sacked. I don't understand the sympathy he's getting from some posters here. He hasn't won anything for 6 years. Rafa went less without a trophy and there was a witch hunt and Rafa's hands were tied more in the market. Conceding 8 goals is humiliating. They are out of the championship race already and probably top 4 too. They've sold 4 of their better players to the team sitting on top of the league. His time is up.
[/quote]

How do you know Benitez's hands were 'more tied in the market'? We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes at Arsenal. Maybe if Wenger blurted out all of his problems at Arsenal the same way Benitez did we might be seeing things rather differently.
[/quote]

Because I read Brian Reade's book.
[/quote] I never knew he'd written a behind the scenes account of Arsenal.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=46639.msg1389732#msg1389732 date=1314562928]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46639.msg1389709#msg1389709 date=1314560743]
He should be sacked. I don't understand the sympathy he's getting from some posters here. He hasn't won anything for 6 years. Rafa went less without a trophy and there was a witch hunt and Rafa's hands were tied more in the market. Conceding 8 goals is humiliating. They are out of the championship race already and probably top 4 too. They've sold 4 of their better players to the team sitting on top of the league. His time is up.
[/quote]

How do you know Benitez's hands were 'more tied in the market'? We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes at Arsenal. Maybe if Wenger blurted out all of his problems at Arsenal the same way Benitez did we might be seeing things rather differently.
[/quote]I do agree.
Arsene just isnt the type to say 'Were fucked, the board have ruined us, we are working on a mental budget thats why im signing young players for the future because we cant compete on a level playing field on account of were fucked' whereas Benitez has a history of it. Did it at Valencia, Liverpool and Inter.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I couldn't give a toss about Wenger. He's a tit. Long may Arsenal and Spurs problems continue. I'm glad they both lost as it dents the fortunes of two of our rivals for CL spots. We can concentrate on doing the same to Utd, City and Chelsea.

 

[Oncy]

Its fucking simple right. If you are a manager and you have 50m to spend and your back 4 has gibbs, koscielny and djorou in it you SPEND 50m.
If you say 'I think we have the players to compete this year' then you dont have 50m to spend.
I can understand why people think they are minted.......actually i do, its because the press in this country suck Fergie off and use every chance they have to aim digs at the likes of Rafa and Wenger. They say shit like 'Hes too proud to spend money' TOO FUCKING PROUD!! and the tattoo'd fuckwits say 'Yeah that Wenger is a caaant, whys he keepin all that money for, we should be signing Messi and that' and never stop to think WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD A MANAGER NOT SPEND HIS FUCKEN BUDGET.
Smoke and mirrors man im telling ya.

 

[Richey]

I think his preferred way of doing things is to buy young players and not spend massive sums on players, but he has spent when he has needed to in the past, and in any case if he could I believe he would have been buying more of the younger players in recent years.

If you look at the last 6 years (since they moved into the Emirates) they have spent 87 million and have brought in 170 million

If you then look at the 6 years before that they spent 106 million and brought in 58 million

So either Wenger just suddenly became really tight 6 years ago or, for some reason, he hasn't had access to the same level of funds in the last 6 years compared to before

 

[Hansern]

The only odd thing about that is that the chairman has stated several times that they have money to spend.

They've sold players for 60 odd mill this summer. Add CL money, high income through match day revenue and selling fucking apartments at Highbury - they've got some money to spend.

My Arsenal supporting mates are starting lose faith in him, as he's doing exactly the same thing he did at Monaco, getting to caught up in his "project".

They bid 23 mill for Mata aswell, so there are some money in that piggybank.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=46639.msg1389742#msg1389742 date=1314564414]
I think his preferred way of doing things is to buy young players and not spend massive sums on players, but he has spent when he has needed to in the past, and in any case if he could I believe he would have been buying more of the younger players in recent years.

If you look at the last 6 years (since they moved into the Emirates) they have spent 87 million and have brought in 170 million

If you then look at the 6 years before that they spent 106 million and brought in 58 million

So either Wenger just suddenly became really tight 6 years ago or, for some reason, he hasn't had access to the same level of funds in the last 6 years compared to before
[/quote]Naaaaaah hes got faaaaaackin billions to spendzzzzzz

 

[Richey]

To be honest I think he's done well keeping them in the top 4 all this time. Wasn't that the excuse as to why we fell out of the top 4? Because we didn't have a huge net spend?

 

[MaBigTip]

Money this money that, will he spend will he not. Lets forget that for a moment; what the hell is wrong with his decision making these days. No one in there right mind would continue to play Robin Van "let me get the fuck out of the box" up front on his own in the Premier League when they have a good proven goalscorer who is strong in the air constantly on the bench that could allow RvP to drop behind him pull away from defenders and let him shoot more often. Why is Arshavin still there let alone playing? Hell they should have tried Lansbury on the right and Walcott left (in general I think he would be better there, worth a shot at some point) today. I'm not sure AoC is very good and if he does end up so it will take him a while to get there. He has no cover for his one DM. In general he plays with fire in the market but its his team selections that have become questionable. And lets not even get started on his now standard unorganized and aerially weak defense. Think the pressure has got to him, I wonder if he can find his way out of it.

 

[Hansern]

Why would the club and CEO say that they have an substantital amount to spend on players this summer if they didnt? And that was before the sales of Nasri and Fabregas.

The truth probably lies somewhere in between, but as my Arsenal supporting mate said; it doesnt feel like a football club anymore everything is just business. Buying young talent cheap and then selling them on.

City have probably funded half of Arsenals total income on players these last few transfer windows.

 

[KopKing]

City are sitting top of the league with 4 ex Arsenal players. whoever made that decision should be sacked, it's criminal, as is conceding EIGHT goals.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46639.msg1389752#msg1389752 date=1314566451]
City are sitting top of the league with 4 ex Arsenal players. whoever made that decision should be sacked, it's criminal, as is conceding EIGHT goals.
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Was that in Brian Reade's book too?

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46639.msg1389751#msg1389751 date=1314566291]
Why would the club and CEO say that they have an substantital amount to spend on players this summer if they didnt? And that was before the sales of Nasri and Fabregas.

The truth probably lies somewhere in between, but as my Arsenal supporting mate said; it doesnt feel like a football club anymore everything is just business. Buying young talent cheap and then selling them on.

City have probably funded half of Arsenals total income on players these last few transfer windows.
[/quote]Hmmmm that is a head scratcher isnt it. Why would a ceo of a company tell the press that it was a succesful solvent well run cash rich company?
*scratches head*

 

[Hansern]

Not everyone is Hicks you know.
Strange that the general concencuss from Arsenal fans are that they have money, but that the buck stops with Wenger. But we who have no ties to the club are adament that they dont.

*scratches head*

 

[FoxForceFive]

I'm more inclined to believe farky & andys ideas, as I've been saying for ages.

Its either that, or wengers gone batshit, I'm about 70/30 between the two.

 

[Richey]

So the fact that the money coming in from sales started to exceed that being spent around the same time that the club built that new and expensive stadium is just a weird coincidence then?

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46639.msg1389765#msg1389765 date=1314568106]
Not everyone is Hicks you know.
Strange that the general concencuss from Arsenal fans are that they have money, but that the buck stops with Wenger. But we who have no ties to the club are adament that they dont.

*scratches head*
[/quote]What has hicks got to do with it?
Ceo's dont come out and say we are skint.
They just dont.
And the reason the fans think its the manager is because thats what the club want them to think.
The board will support the manager when the flack flies, who supports the board if the fans stop showing up, or turn up outside the ground to protest.
Jesus man havnt you seen the end of the Dark knight?

They DONT have any money im telling you. They hopefully can free up some of the Nasrigas money, because they fucking need it.

 

[Squiggles]

There was reports recently suggesting that there was money available from sales, but the board and Wenger were clashing about how best to spend it.

This would make a lot of sense.

 

[Hansern]

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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46639.msg1389765#msg1389765 date=1314568106]
Not everyone is Hicks you know.
Strange that the general concencuss from Arsenal fans are that they have money, but that the buck stops with Wenger. But we who have no ties to the club are adament that they dont.

*scratches head*
[/quote]What has hicks got to do with it?
Ceo's dont come out and say we are skint.
They just dont.
And the reason the fans think its the manager is because thats what the club want them to think.
The board will support the manager when the flack flies, who supports the board if the fans stop showing up, or turn up outside
the ground to protest.
Jesus man havnt you seen the end of the Dark knight?

They DONT have any money im telling you. They hopefully can free up some of the Nasrigas money, because they fucking need it.

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Is was a mere reference to that not everyone involved in football is a leach and doesnt want whats best for the club.

Ivan Gazidies have been saying all summer that they have money to spend, at fans Q & As and in interviews. The Arsenal insiders have according to my mates said that they have money to spend. So, Im inclined to belive so untill Wenger says otherwise.

But, my good friend and brother, who cares eh? The most important thing is that we're in a good state financially and are going to win the league. Thats what counts.

 

[Farkmaster]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=46639.msg1389854#msg1389854 date=1314591576]
There was reports recently suggesting that there was money available from sales, but the board and Wenger were clashing about how best to spend it.

This would make a lot of sense.
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I know what you mean by make a lot of sense, but think about this for a second. You keep your team in the champions league for several years in an increasingly competitive league. You do this by buying better on a budget than all the other managers in the league.

There's a desperate need for funds, and the board query how you are spending it?


Come on. I tend to think that the issues at the board are with one another, and Wenger is caught in the middle.

 

[themn]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46639.msg1389724#msg1389724 date=1314562136]

And besides, no gooner ever called me ni&£er.
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Ooh, I seened what you done there !

Nice.

Nice.

 

[Oncy]

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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46639.msg1389724#msg1389724 date=1314562136]

And besides, no gooner ever called me ni&£er.
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Ooh, I seened what you done there !

Nice.

Nice.
[/quote]Spiderniel never..... 🙁

 

[themn]

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[quote author=themn link=topic=46639.msg1389917#msg1389917 date=1314610400]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46639.msg1389724#msg1389724 date=1314562136]

And besides, no gooner ever called me ni&£er.
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Ooh, I seened what you done there !

Nice.

Nice.
[/quote]Spiderniel never..... 🙁
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*sigh* Aye...

 

[RedZeppelin]

Ok so perhaps there are some financial constraints on wenger but even still , the players he has bought have been very hit and miss in recent years . I mean this summer they've spent decent money on Chamberlin and Gervinho . Now both may prove to be great buys in future but would he not have been better served to spend that money on a proper defender , keeper or def mid which are players they really need ? . And it's been like that for a few seasons really . He's not spent well to supplement the good young players he has brought through.


And if the blame for their poor finances is being laid on the stadium , a stadium already open 5 yrs ....will we not suffer the same issues with ours (if ever built ) ?

 

[robinhood]

They've got plenty of ability in attack though, they really just need to sort out their defence and learn how to get stuck in a bit more.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=RedZeppelin link=topic=46639.msg1389984#msg1389984 date=1314616776]
Ok so perhaps there are some financial constraints on wenger but even still , the players he has bought have been very hit and miss in recent years . I mean this summer they've spent decent money on Chamberlin and Gervinho . Now both may prove to be great buys in future but would he not have been better served to spend that money on a proper defender , keeper or def mid which are players they really need ? . And it's been like that for a few seasons really . He's not spent well to supplement the good young players he has brought through.


And if the blame for their poor finances is being laid on the stadium , a stadium already open 5 yrs ....will we not suffer the same issues with ours (if ever built ) ?
[/quote]

Fair point, I'm not sure he has necessarily done the best he could with what he has had to spend but maybe that is a problem with the wage structure there. That would fit in with them reportedly missing out on some players as well as some of their star players leaving.

I suspect that, whereas in the past young players have been able to fill in the gaps when star players have left, the problem now is that star players have gone early than he would have wanted without the young players being ready to step in.

Regarding our new stadium, that depends on how it is funded and how we plan for it financially really but yes I imagine there will be an impact on our transfer spending if we have a commitment to pay back money to banks year on year.