Does Wenger get a % from the profit margin?

[juniormember]

May sound silly, or even stupid, but does he get a percentage of Arsenal's annual profit?
I can't for the life of me figure out why he's refused to spend any significant amount of money in replacing players, starting around the time Henry and Viera left, continuing through the Adebayor /Kolo transfers, and now Nasri and Fabregas.

Look at the shite he's got this season. Makes no sense. It's beyond stubborn, bordering on complete stupidity.

Does he have something to gain by not spending?

 

[Richey]

Maybe he just thinks he can do it his way. Its not as if his methods have really failed him in the past is it?

 

[Red Mullet]

If we're speculating, maybe Arsenals books aren't really in order ???

 

[spider-Neil]

wenger wants to be the only sane manager (realistic prices for players) in an insane world. he has 4 days to save his season.

 

[juniormember]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=46639.msg1389426#msg1389426 date=1314547261]
Maybe he just thinks he can do it his way. Its not as if his methods have really failed him in the past is it?
[/quote]

I can't remember the prices of all his players, but didn't Henry cost over 12m (price considered to be on the high side back then)?

His formula, back when he was winning trophies, was the blood in talented youths amongst some very experienced players that could guide them through tough games.

That hasn't been his formula for maybe 5 years. It's been youth, youth, youth and sell all the experienced ones without finding replacements.

 

[Portly]

I think it's pride. Wenger clearly loves to identify talented young players and develop them until they are stars. I think he regards it as a sign of weakness to spend large amounts in the transfer market.

Now they are struggling I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger resigned because he couldn't take the humiliation.

And I wouldn't like to be the manager who takes over at the Emirates, because the whole thing is Wenger's creation.

 

[DHSC]

His methods might have worked in the past, but there are more clubs that are richer nowadays with extensive scouting networks that might negate one of his strong points.

 

[King Binny]

It seems so distant from the season where they went 49 games unbeaten.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=46639.msg1389428#msg1389428 date=1314547306]
If we're speculating, maybe Arsenals books aren't really in order ???
[/quote]

Well I imagine they had to pay a lot out for the new stadium and have to manage the repayments, so the fact that Wenger does not spending big money anyway probably suits them quite well.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=Portly link=topic=46639.msg1389432#msg1389432 date=1314547496]
I think it's pride. Wenger clearly loves to identify talented young players and develop them until they are stars. I think he regards it as a sign of weakness to spend large amounts in the transfer market.

Now they are struggling I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger resigned because he couldn't take the humiliation.

And I wouldn't like to be the manager who takes over at the Emirates, because the whole thing is Wenger's creation.
[/quote]

True to a degree, but any manager taking over will still inherit a good squad, an excellent stadium and (if Wenger really is just a bit tight) money to spend on new players. I can think of worse jobs.

 

[Halmeister]

I mentioned this in the weekend games thread. Something must be going on behind the scenes stopping him from spending. It can't be down to his stubborness alone, surely?

 

[Red Mullet]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=46639.msg1389438#msg1389438 date=1314548015]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=46639.msg1389432#msg1389432 date=1314547496]
I think it's pride. Wenger clearly loves to identify talented young players and develop them until they are stars. I think he regards it as a sign of weakness to spend large amounts in the transfer market.

Now they are struggling I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger resigned because he couldn't take the humiliation.

And I wouldn't like to be the manager who takes over at the Emirates, because the whole thing is Wenger's creation.
[/quote]

True to a degree, but any manager taking over will still inherit a good squad, an excellent stadium and (if Wenger really is just a bit tight) money to spend on new players. I can think of worse jobs.
[/quote]


Taking on Fergies job when he retires is just as bad.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=46639.msg1389448#msg1389448 date=1314548364]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=46639.msg1389438#msg1389438 date=1314548015]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=46639.msg1389432#msg1389432 date=1314547496]
I think it's pride. Wenger clearly loves to identify talented young players and develop them until they are stars. I think he regards it as a sign of weakness to spend large amounts in the transfer market.

Now they are struggling I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger resigned because he couldn't take the humiliation.

And I wouldn't like to be the manager who takes over at the Emirates, because the whole thing is Wenger's creation.
[/quote]

True to a degree, but any manager taking over will still inherit a good squad, an excellent stadium and (if Wenger really is just a bit tight) money to spend on new players. I can think of worse jobs.
[/quote]


Taking on Fergies job when he retires is just as bad.
[/quote]

Well, that depends when they go.

Arsenal aren't doing so well right now so any new manager would probably have less pressure to do well straight away. United are still winning titles most years so the pressure would be on instantly wouldn't it?

 

[Red Mullet]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=46639.msg1389453#msg1389453 date=1314548586]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=46639.msg1389448#msg1389448 date=1314548364]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=46639.msg1389438#msg1389438 date=1314548015]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=46639.msg1389432#msg1389432 date=1314547496]
I think it's pride. Wenger clearly loves to identify talented young players and develop them until they are stars. I think he regards it as a sign of weakness to spend large amounts in the transfer market.

Now they are struggling I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger resigned because he couldn't take the humiliation.

And I wouldn't like to be the manager who takes over at the Emirates, because the whole thing is Wenger's creation.
[/quote]

True to a degree, but any manager taking over will still inherit a good squad, an excellent stadium and (if Wenger really is just a bit tight) money to spend on new players. I can think of worse jobs.
[/quote]


Taking on Fergies job when he retires is just as bad.
[/quote]

Well, that depends when they go.

Arsenal aren't doing so well right now so any new manager would probably have less pressure to do well straight away. United are still winning titles most years so the pressure would be on instantly wouldn't it?
[/quote]


Pressure will definitely be on for Fergies replacement.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=46639.msg1389470#msg1389470 date=1314548896]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=46639.msg1389453#msg1389453 date=1314548586]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=46639.msg1389448#msg1389448 date=1314548364]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=46639.msg1389438#msg1389438 date=1314548015]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=46639.msg1389432#msg1389432 date=1314547496]
I think it's pride. Wenger clearly loves to identify talented young players and develop them until they are stars. I think he regards it as a sign of weakness to spend large amounts in the transfer market.

Now they are struggling I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger resigned because he couldn't take the humiliation.

And I wouldn't like to be the manager who takes over at the Emirates, because the whole thing is Wenger's creation.
[/quote]

True to a degree, but any manager taking over will still inherit a good squad, an excellent stadium and (if Wenger really is just a bit tight) money to spend on new players. I can think of worse jobs.
[/quote]


Taking on Fergies job when he retires is just as bad.
[/quote]

Well, that depends when they go.

Arsenal aren't doing so well right now so any new manager would probably have less pressure to do well straight away. United are still winning titles most years so the pressure would be on instantly wouldn't it?
[/quote]


Pressure will definitely be on for Fergies replacement.
[/quote]

Well, yes that is what I said

 

[Red Mullet]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=46639.msg1389478#msg1389478 date=1314548994]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=46639.msg1389470#msg1389470 date=1314548896]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=46639.msg1389453#msg1389453 date=1314548586]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=46639.msg1389448#msg1389448 date=1314548364]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=46639.msg1389438#msg1389438 date=1314548015]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=46639.msg1389432#msg1389432 date=1314547496]
I think it's pride. Wenger clearly loves to identify talented young players and develop them until they are stars. I think he regards it as a sign of weakness to spend large amounts in the transfer market.

Now they are struggling I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger resigned because he couldn't take the humiliation.

And I wouldn't like to be the manager who takes over at the Emirates, because the whole thing is Wenger's creation.
[/quote]

True to a degree, but any manager taking over will still inherit a good squad, an excellent stadium and (if Wenger really is just a bit tight) money to spend on new players. I can think of worse jobs.
[/quote]


Taking on Fergies job when he retires is just as bad.
[/quote]

Well, that depends when they go.

Arsenal aren't doing so well right now so any new manager would probably have less pressure to do well straight away. United are still winning titles most years so the pressure would be on instantly wouldn't it?
[/quote]


Pressure will definitely be on for Fergies replacement.
[/quote]

Well, yes that is what I said
[/quote]


Huh? What happened to the beginning of my sentence? It's missing the 'I agree' bit.


Anyway, would have thought if Arsene balls this season up and he goes, the Arsenal board would be just as demanding on the new manager to rectify the situation. They wouldn't say 'Yeah, Arsene didn't win us anything for 6 years so you have time'

 

[Farkmaster]

I've been saying this forever, but no one seems to think it's possible.


I don't believe large amounts of money are available to Wenger. I don't believe, for a fucking second, that he'd allow his team to be raped and not bring in quality replacements that cost money, on some stupid principle. I think there are some limits on wage levels as well that are restricting their ability to hold on to players.


He's getting thrown under the bus right now, despite the fact that through the lean times of financing the stadium, he's had them doing what they need to do on a shoestring. I think, for whatever reason, perhaps contractual, he has yet to strike back about it, but the whole thing just sounds off.


There's a reason he sounds defeated, and I think it starts at the top.

Why there isn't any real questioning of this, and it's all laid on the manager's lap, I don't know. If they are stupid enough to get rid of him, we may hear hints of why.

 

[Buddha]

I'm with Farky. I think Wenger's hands are tied more than the board let on.

He's a fantastic coach who's worked wonders (and produced some cracking football) over the years. he doesn't desreve half the stick he's getting right now.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

Have they sorted out the ownership problem yet?

If not maybe that is why Wenger can't go out and spend?

 

[KopPoNok]

They spent too much on hot prospect, I got the same problem back in the championship manager years ...

 

[RedZeppelin]

What about Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger? "We were very weak in some departments and Man Utd had a lot of class. You always feel humiliated when you concede eight goals," said the Frenchman - but, more pertinently, he is asked if he is going to quit: "No." Has he considered it? "No." Does he have the confidence of his employers still? "Yes, I think so." He went on... "The solution in England is always to buy players, but it doesn't always happen like that."

hmm ...it's such a strange situation at arsenal . Do they have money or not ? I mean surely they do ..they've been in the emirates a few yrs , charge insane amounts for tickets and they must have had some financial plan when building that allowed a player budget ..and that's not to mention a number of large sales they've made .
So why isn't he spending or at least trying to? . Nobody is saying to completely throw his philosophy out the window but surely the best would be be a bit of both ...bring the best talent like wilshere through and supplement with essential buys , players with experience .

It's bizarre really . They've paid the price for not making any significant progress over the last 3 yrs or so . During that period we've heard the same old things , they play the best football in england, they just need some more experience , they just need one or two players . And well nothing has changed , people were still saying these things at the end of last season . So to me I think the fans and some players have lost alot of faith in the 'plan' and that things would eventually work out . I mean it's been downhill since they lost that Carling cup final to brum , it really hit them hard , especially as they lost it due to all the flaws people have been highlighting for some time now .

So Wenger has to take a massive amount of the blame for this . He nearly seems obsessed with his "philosophy" . And it's not even like his old winning teams which were built on strength , pace and skill . I mean of course they will be better when they get their injured players back but even still they're nothing too special .

Anyway , obviously for our 1st aim of champs league football this is all good for us and i couldn't care too much about them .. it's just interesting to see how quickly a team can slide into trouble for so many different reasons . It's a bit like what happened to us , the more negative people are , the media , the fans ...the more it influences the whole club and players .

 

[KopKing]

He should be sacked. I don't understand the sympathy he's getting from some posters here. He hasn't won anything for 6 years. Rafa went less without a trophy and there was a witch hunt and Rafa's hands were tied more in the market. Conceding 8 goals is humiliating. They are out of the championship race already and probably top 4 too. They've sold 4 of their better players to the team sitting on top of the league. His time is up.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=46639.msg1389618#msg1389618 date=1314553914]
I've been saying this forever, but no one seems to think it's possible.


I don't believe large amounts of money are available to Wenger. I don't believe, for a fucking second, that he'd allow his team to be raped and not bring in quality replacements that cost money, on some stupid principle. I think there are some limits on wage levels as well that are restricting their ability to hold on to players.


He's getting thrown under the bus right now, despite the fact that through the lean times of financing the stadium, he's had them doing what they need to do on a shoestring. I think, for whatever reason, perhaps contractual, he has yet to strike back about it, but the whole thing just sounds off.


There's a reason he sounds defeated, and I think it starts at the top.

Why there isn't any real questioning of this, and it's all laid on the manager's lap, I don't know. If they are stupid enough to get rid of him, we may hear hints of why.
[/quote]I think this is bang on Fark. Their 'pots of cash' is all smoke and mirrors and Arsenes 'we've got loads of cash' is just the party line. He's a team player and is taking the long view. They still have YEARS more of paying for that stadium and the real estate at highbury is a massive fucking millstone around their necks. They moved grounds bang on the credit crunch and thought they would have hundreds of luxury penthouses in prime real estate in london making them a fortune, when in fact what they have is massive realty bills for a stadium and a fucking landfill.
Arsene Wenger has single handedly taken all the flak and taken responsibility for everything thats gone wrong. Fact is he's a fucking genius and a football man through and through.
I hope they loosen the purse strings for him in the next week. One of these fucking fatcats need to help him out, give him a fighting chance. And every single man jack of that board, the fans, the playing staff, the backers and the banks should line up to kiss his arse, because despite the noises from the press that its all his fault, he in fact is the thin fucking line between Arsenals future and utter fucking ruination.
I think he's ace despite all the whinger stuff and he hasnt deserved to be hung out to dry the way he has.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46639.msg1389717#msg1389717 date=1314561555]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=46639.msg1389618#msg1389618 date=1314553914]
I've been saying this forever, but no one seems to think it's possible.


I don't believe large amounts of money are available to Wenger. I don't believe, for a fucking second, that he'd allow his team to be raped and not bring in quality replacements that cost money, on some stupid principle. I think there are some limits on wage levels as well that are restricting their ability to hold on to players.


He's getting thrown under the bus right now, despite the fact that through the lean times of financing the stadium, he's had them doing what they need to do on a shoestring. I think, for whatever reason, perhaps contractual, he has yet to strike back about it, but the whole thing just sounds off.


There's a reason he sounds defeated, and I think it starts at the top.

Why there isn't any real questioning of this, and it's all laid on the manager's lap, I don't know. If they are stupid enough to get rid of him, we may hear hints of why.
[/quote]I think this is bang on Fark. Their 'pots of cash' is all smoke and mirrors and Arsenes 'we've got loads of cash' is just the party line. He's a team player and is taking the long view. They still have YEARS more of paying for that stadium and the real estate at highbury is a massive fucking millstone around their necks. They moved grounds bang on the credit crunch and thought they would have hundreds of luxury penthouses in prime real estate in london making them a fortune, when in fact what they have is massive realty bills for a stadium and a fucking landfill.
Arsene Wenger has single handedly taken all the flak and taken responsibility for everything thats gone wrong. Fact is he's a fucking genius and a football man through and through.
I hope they loosen the purse strings for him in the next week. One of these fucking fatcats need to help him out, give him a fighting chance. And every single man jack of that board, the fans, the playing staff, the backers and the banks should line up to kiss his arse, because despite the noises from the press that its all his fault, he in fact is the thin fucking line between Arsenals future and utter fucking ruination.
I think he's ace despite all the whinger stuff and he hasnt deserved to be hung out to dry the way he has.
[/quote]

you want a direct rival for a top 4 place to strengthen?

 

[juniormember]

But what I don't understand is how they can genuinely try and keep hold of their better players - most of the time they only ever sell if the price is way above the actual value of a player - get a load of money they wouldn't have had, and decide not to spend any of it on solid replacements.

Something just doesn't smell right...

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=juniormember link=topic=46639.msg1389720#msg1389720 date=1314561871]
But what I don't understand is how they can genuinely try and keep hold of their better players - most of the time they only ever sell if the price is way above the actual value of a player - get a load of money they wouldn't have had, and decide not to spend any of it on solid replacements.

Something just doesn't smell right...
[/quote]

it's the monkey in your avatar 😉

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46639.msg1389719#msg1389719 date=1314561822]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46639.msg1389717#msg1389717 date=1314561555]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=46639.msg1389618#msg1389618 date=1314553914]
I've been saying this forever, but no one seems to think it's possible.


I don't believe large amounts of money are available to Wenger. I don't believe, for a fucking second, that he'd allow his team to be raped and not bring in quality replacements that cost money, on some stupid principle. I think there are some limits on wage levels as well that are restricting their ability to hold on to players.


He's getting thrown under the bus right now, despite the fact that through the lean times of financing the stadium, he's had them doing what they need to do on a shoestring. I think, for whatever reason, perhaps contractual, he has yet to strike back about it, but the whole thing just sounds off.


There's a reason he sounds defeated, and I think it starts at the top.

Why there isn't any real questioning of this, and it's all laid on the manager's lap, I don't know. If they are stupid enough to get rid of him, we may hear hints of why.
[/quote]I think this is bang on Fark. Their 'pots of cash' is all smoke and mirrors and Arsenes 'we've got loads of cash' is just the party line. He's a team player and is taking the long view. They still have YEARS more of paying for that stadium and the real estate at highbury is a massive fucking millstone around their necks. They moved grounds bang on the credit crunch and thought they would have hundreds of luxury penthouses in prime real estate in london making them a fortune, when in fact what they have is massive realty bills for a stadium and a fucking landfill.
Arsene Wenger has single handedly taken all the flak and taken responsibility for everything thats gone wrong. Fact is he's a fucking genius and a football man through and through.
I hope they loosen the purse strings for him in the next week. One of these fucking fatcats need to help him out, give him a fighting chance. And every single man jack of that board, the fans, the playing staff, the backers and the banks should line up to kiss his arse, because despite the noises from the press that its all his fault, he in fact is the thin fucking line between Arsenals future and utter fucking ruination.
I think he's ace despite all the whinger stuff and he hasnt deserved to be hung out to dry the way he has.
[/quote]

you want a direct rival for a top 4 place to strengthen?
[/quote]Yes i do. Hes a good man. I like him and he deserves better. He has principles and i hope he gets support.
If we cant win it on merit i dont care about winning it because other clubs cant afford to match us.
And besides, no gooner ever called me ni&£er.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46639.msg1389724#msg1389724 date=1314562136]
And besides, no gooner ever called me ni&£er.
[/quote]

what's that got to do with anything?

anyway, with the players arsenal have coming back they are more than capable of going on a run so I don't want to see the chances of that run increased by them spending money.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46639.msg1389726#msg1389726 date=1314562518]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46639.msg1389724#msg1389724 date=1314562136]
And besides, no gooner ever called me ni&£er.
[/quote]

what's that got to do with anything?

anyway, with the players arsenal have coming back they are more than capable of going on a run so I don't want to see the chances of that run increased by them spending money.
[/quote]Oh sorry. My mistake, i thought you wanted to know what i wanted, not what i thought you wanted.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46639.msg1389729#msg1389729 date=1314562665]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46639.msg1389726#msg1389726 date=1314562518]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46639.msg1389724#msg1389724 date=1314562136]
And besides, no gooner ever called me ni&£er.
[/quote]

what's that got to do with anything?

anyway, with the players arsenal have coming back they are more than capable of going on a run so I don't want to see the chances of that run increased by them spending money.
[/quote]Oh sorry. My mistake, i thought you wanted to know what i wanted, not what i thought you wanted.

[/quote]

ha ha touché 🙂