Do Liverpool need a "Plan B"?
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So we are actually the 2nd most efficient scorers in the league (and only 0.3% off top spot). Interesting, thanks Cloggy.
Yes, Benteke did go because he couldn't play how Klopp wants but I suspect he also went because Benteke was extraordinarily bad when he was the only fit striker at the club.
Sturridge (and Origi for that matter) can't get a game right now because Firmino, Mane, Coutinho and Lallana are just in better form and deserve to start.
It's a long season. Sturridge and Origi will get their chance. Hopefully when it comes they will put on a drop-me-if-you-dare type performance like Origi did last season.
I've said this before. When I watch us, we miss a load of extremely good chances, & then when I check the stats they say we're either above average or better on conversion.
However, that doesn't fit what I'm seeing. We are definitely squandering a lot of gilt edged chances, my eyes aren't lying.
The logical answer is we are creating a lot more high quality chances than our peers are, yet our only converting the same percentage they are.
Oh God, this discussion again.
In the minds of most supporters, Plan B either means:
Managers don't fucking fret over Plan B's anymore than they fret over who the fucking 4th official is for the day. Most of the time it's 0-0 is because the players haven't got 'Plan A' to work as opposed to it being fucking found out and negated by the opposition, nevermind conjuring up some fantasy Plan B alternative they can whip out at 0-0 with 76 minutes gone that no one's going to be able to counter.
In the minds of most supporters, Plan B either means:
- Lump it long.
- Bring on some subs.
Managers don't fucking fret over Plan B's anymore than they fret over who the fucking 4th official is for the day. Most of the time it's 0-0 is because the players haven't got 'Plan A' to work as opposed to it being fucking found out and negated by the opposition, nevermind conjuring up some fantasy Plan B alternative they can whip out at 0-0 with 76 minutes gone that no one's going to be able to counter.
I watch a fair few other matches every weekend. I genuinely think we create better, higher quality chances than other sides, & that if we did become more clinical we'd be not just scoring a lot, but breaking records almost every week.
Firmino is generally great at the moment though. His work rate contributes massively to the amount of chances we are making. That miss aside he was pretty damn good in the last match. Some melt gave him a 5. It's all a bit sad really.
I was coming into the thread to comment on pretty much the opposite to your second sentence.
There are some teams that still fall back on the big man up front or whatever else conjures up those desperate images but I don't think that's really what we're talking about here and as such the term "Plan B" is counter-productive to the discussion.
I think many managers have a reasonably well defined Plan A comprised of a number of tactical variations and a core group of players at the club. There are numerous factors that go into determining exactly how that shapes up on the day - injuries, fixture list, the opposition, form, fitness and so forth.
I couldn't disagree more with the bolded bit in your post. I personally like to see managers earn their crust during a game - there is nothing worse than seeing your manager watching on helplessly irrespective of the situation in the game (e.g. a fullback getting ruined continually by the opposition attack, struggling to break down a well organized side, midfield struggling to pick up runners etc).
I recall a number of scenarios in the past where managers have made game winning / saving changes in the game through tactical switches (with or without subs) and to my mind that's the real thrust of this thread.
It was mostly a case of bad finishing on Saturday but we also didn't create as many chances as usual, which probably also contributed to the draw.
I'm guessing that very few on here have the level of tactical knowledge to really discuss this thoroughly - I know I don't!.
Doesn't matter apparently if the foul continued inside the box which it did, so although the foul started outside the box it finished inside the box and therefore a pen..
This must be a rule change then, when was this implemented ?
Dunno but they had an ex ref on a radio show explaining that it was a pen.
If the player continues to fall inside the box having been fouled outside the box it's not a pen.
However if the foul itself continues into the box it's a pen.
In this case the pulling was done twice outside the box then once inside, so would have been a penalty.
Firmino is a clever player. I think he went down as soon as he felt the tugging expecting to get something.
But really, referees have been cramming down on simulation, more so this season. I think they have been told to evaluate whether the contact is strong enough to prevent an attacking player from playing the ball in the box. So alot is up to interpretation and a theatrical fall seems to be frown upon even if there was a genuine foul.
Back to Firmino, the tugging was obvious from our multiple angles but it didn't seem that strong a pull. Firmino could have gone on running and VD might have resorted to doing something else which could have led to a much clearer penalty shout, or Firmino could have had a strike on goal.
Falling easy just made it easier for the referee, regardless of whether he had seen the tug or not.
But really, referees have been cramming down on simulation, more so this season. I think they have been told to evaluate whether the contact is strong enough to prevent an attacking player from playing the ball in the box. So alot is up to interpretation and a theatrical fall seems to be frown upon even if there was a genuine foul.
Back to Firmino, the tugging was obvious from our multiple angles but it didn't seem that strong a pull. Firmino could have gone on running and VD might have resorted to doing something else which could have led to a much clearer penalty shout, or Firmino could have had a strike on goal.
Falling easy just made it easier for the referee, regardless of whether he had seen the tug or not.
Agree with this. Thought he went down far too easy myself.
I thought the ref didn't see it but the linesman on that side could. That little prick seemed to forget how to put his flag up. There was a few occasions he refused to give a foul waiting for the ref (who was in worse position) to make the decision.
Yes I'd agree, throwing someone on up front is a tactical in-game change but I'd hardly call it 'Plan B' because as I said it's borne out of desperation. Technically though, maybe it is.
Exactly what I said.
Well to be fair I wasn't referring to substitutions to replace a poor performing player (which is usually the case) or protect a defender under pressure, I specifically referred to substitutions to try a win a game ..... "Anything done in game when not scoring is just desperation and not a change of plan per se."
Indeed. But it doesn't happen very often, shifting formation mid-game (though Rafa did it on occasion). Most managers just tweak what they started with. If it's going to happen then it's usually at HT (didn't Conte do this recently, back 4 to a back 3) ? That to me is a Plan B. It could also be argued that trying to protect a lead nearing the end of the game by bringing on more defensive players is also a Plan B but for me it refers to trying to win a game .. as in Team X has no Plan B when Plan A is not working.
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