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'Divers' to be retrospectively punished next season

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http://www.thefa.com/home/news/2017/may/18/fa-to-punish-simulation-retrospectively-180517

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A panel consisting of one ex-match official, one ex-manager and one ex-player will be asked to review all available video footage of the incident independently of one another and then advise The FA as to whether they believe it was an offence of ‘Successful Deception of a Match Official’. Only in circumstances where the panel are unanimous would The FA charge the individual concerned.
This process would be similar to the one used now for a red card offence [violent conduct/serious foul play/spitting at an opponent] which was not seen at the time by the match officials but caught on camera. In this situation, three ex-elite match officials review all the available video footage independently of one another and then advise The FA as to whether they believe it was an offence worthy of instant dismissal.
In accepted and/or proven cases of simulation and/or feigning injury, the offending player would receive a two-match suspension.

About fucking time. There's nothing too difficult there with every match videoed from multiple angles.
Now, about 'offside goals' ........
 
You won't hear me say this about many things, but I've been calling for this for about 10 years. SO easy to eliminate and good news.
 
What if the player does something silly and immediately acknowledges it as not being a foul?

E.g. the player dives, then jumps up right away holding a hand up apologetically and if questioned claims to have been trying to protect himself by getting out of way of an expected tackle

Does happen on a rare occasion
 
the count said:
I am in favour of the introduction of retrospective bans but would prefer if it was in association with greater video evidence and in game input from the fourth/fifth official which would catch most of the indiscretions at the time of the incident.
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Yeah I agree. I always thought the idea of a rugby style sin-bin would be a good thing. It would work better if it was rolled out through FIFA. Of course it won't though. Barcelona and Real Madrid would cough up a pelvic bone at the thought.
 
Markeh said:
What if the player does something silly and immediately acknowledges it as not being a foul?

E.g. the player dives, then jumps up right away holding a hand up apologetically and if questioned claims to have been trying to protect himself by getting out of way of an expected tackle

Does happen on a rare occasion
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Immediate Red Card for admitting simulation. Should be followed by castration.
 
Markeh said:
E.g. the player dives, then jumps up right away holding a hand up apologetically and if questioned claims to have been trying to protect himself by getting out of way of an expected tackle
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... and then misses the penalty that the ref still gave only for Mr IQ to knock in the rebound

You're right ... it does happen[
 
I'm torn on diving. Part of me thinks it's an art form, that when perfected wins you a few penalties and some games. The game is becoming more sterile. Video replays will add to that
 
hmmmmm1 said:
I'm torn on diving. Part of me thinks it's an art form, that when perfected wins you a few penalties and some games. The game is becoming more sterile. Video replays will add to that
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I don't think so.
I suspect it will separate the men from the boys and the players who are really good and convincing at it will continue to get away with it.
Or in your parlance, it will accentuate the art form.
 
Fat Sam has made a good point saying what about the player that gets booked for diving when it wasn't a dive.

Will that be overturned?

He thinks there should be a 10 min sin bin which I think makes sense.
 
Markeh said:
What if the player does something silly and immediately acknowledges it as not being a foul?

E.g. the player dives, then jumps up right away holding a hand up apologetically and if questioned claims to have been trying to protect himself by getting out of way of an expected tackle

Does happen on a rare occasion
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I think the key word is 'successful' if the ref doesn't fall for it or the player instantly acknowledges the error then I don't think it's subject to review.
 
RedStar said:
I think the key word is 'successful' if the ref doesn't fall for it or the player instantly acknowledges the error then I don't think it's subject to review.
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Makes sense. It's good that something will be done but I can see some inevitable controversy coming with these decisions
 
Why not just have the match officials responsible for the game look at the post-game video and get the opportunity to correct their mistakes or deal the punishment for the offence they couldn't see, instead of convening a panel of an ex-player, ex-manager, and ex-official to judge? Ditto for retrospective punishments for vicious acts like high tackles, elbows, head butts, bites, etc. Factor their review judgments into the post-game assessment report on the officials' performance.
 
choperman.v01 said:
Why not just have the match officials responsible for the game look at the post-game video and get the opportunity to correct their mistakes or deal the punishment for the offence they couldn't see, instead of convening a panel of an ex-player, ex-manager, and ex-official to judge? Ditto for retrospective punishments for vicious acts like high tackles, elbows, head butts, bites, etc. Factor their review judgments into the post-game assessment report on the officials' performance.
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Probably because the officials in the game will have some sort of emotional attachment. Their judgement may not be spot on.
 
choperman.v01 said:
Why not just have the match officials responsible for the game look at the post-game video and get the opportunity to correct their mistakes or deal the punishment for the offence they couldn't see, instead of convening a panel of an ex-player, ex-manager, and ex-official to judge? Ditto for retrospective punishments for vicious acts like high tackles, elbows, head butts, bites, etc. Factor their review judgments into the post-game assessment report on the officials' performance.
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It could be because they don't want it to cloud their decision making in the moment or shy away from decisions because they know they can correct them later.
 
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