First and foremost let me clarify I love the man (not in that way, but anyway...)
Is he in his standard Dirk slump, or is it the end?
Is he in his standard Dirk slump, or is it the end?
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[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=48027.msg1450118#msg1450118 date=1324506996]
First and foremost let me clarify I love the man (not in that way, but anyway...)
Is he in his standard Dirk slump, or is it the end?
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it's a standard dirk slump. I predict end of feb/beginning of march he'll hit top form...of course we'll be too far off the pace for the hot streak to make any difference but that's what will happen.
First and foremost let me clarify I love the man (not in that way, but anyway...)
Is he in his standard Dirk slump, or is it the end?
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it's a standard dirk slump. I predict end of feb/beginning of march he'll hit top form...of course we'll be too far off the pace for the hot streak to make any difference but that's what will happen.
I'd say it's the end. He's 31, he's been playing shite all season and shows no signs of picking up.
If a decent offer came in, i'd take it.
If a decent offer came in, i'd take it.
[quote author=Woland link=topic=48027.msg1450126#msg1450126 date=1324507320]
I love Dirk too, but if he was my dog he'd be in a bag of rocks at the bottom of Crosby marina by now.
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hopefully the r.s.p.c.a. don't frequent this forum.
I love Dirk too, but if he was my dog he'd be in a bag of rocks at the bottom of Crosby marina by now.
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hopefully the r.s.p.c.a. don't frequent this forum.
[quote author=Woland link=topic=48027.msg1450157#msg1450157 date=1324508400]
Every dog has his day
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I'm betting the dogs you own don't get too many
Every dog has his day
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I'm betting the dogs you own don't get too many
[quote author=Shadey link=topic=48027.msg1450172#msg1450172 date=1324508908]
he's lost his mojo thats all..
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it happens every year around this time
he's lost his mojo thats all..
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it happens every year around this time
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It's probably too early to go the Woland route but he has been very average all season . 1 goal in 17 is not his usual return and he's been in and out of the team . If we spend big again next summer i wouldn't be surprised if he was off .
Dirk is not in a form slump at the moment, this is the player that the Dirk is. If every year he is consistently rubbish for 70% of the season he is not a good player who has a rough patch every year, he is a average player who has a short run off decent form every year. After months of not being able to control the ball or pass to a teammate, he will get on the end of a few crosses, score a few of the shin and then all is good. Even when he supposedly gets out of this "form slump" and scores a few he is still micontrolling simple passes and costing us possesion consistently.He doesnt all of a sudden develop the ability to control the ball, pass the ball or develop the ability to shoot,cross or take on a player. He is the same all year round and the fact that he plays all year round enables him to score a few, which then make his stats appear better all the while we are 20 points behind the leader. What if all our players who we have let go ( and were not good enough for liverpool)were given the same amount of time to come good, we would still have cisse,babel and heskey playing for us. Any half decent player who plays in an attacking position for liverpool 60 games straight is gonna get on the end of a few crosses and score some sitters, and also this myth that he works so much harder than everyone else is rubbish aswell. He does work hard no doubt, but so does downing, henderson and the majority of our midfield. Dirk does give his all and never hides but unfortunaltley he is not good enough to be a winger for liverpool football club.
On a sidenote, his last full match was against QPR on 10 Dec, 2 weeks ago.
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Yep, the usual cretins are out in force, probably the same cretins who've been telling us for years that Carragher isn't good enough and are now having their day in the S** because he's hit his final years.
Well done you lot, I don't remember too many of you being out in force when he's scored goals during his 'little run' each season where he's smashed them in against top quality opposition time and time again.
Change the shite, same old tired record. He might be getting past it now, but pretending he's been average for years with the odd positive spell is bullshit. It's funny how every professional who talks about him always applauds him and regards him as a top signing, even the technically brilliant Matt Le Tissier was commenting on how we've had well more than our £9m worth from him, last night.
He's been a top player, a top pro, a match winner and a true red. Get fucked.
Well done you lot, I don't remember too many of you being out in force when he's scored goals during his 'little run' each season where he's smashed them in against top quality opposition time and time again.
Change the shite, same old tired record. He might be getting past it now, but pretending he's been average for years with the odd positive spell is bullshit. It's funny how every professional who talks about him always applauds him and regards him as a top signing, even the technically brilliant Matt Le Tissier was commenting on how we've had well more than our £9m worth from him, last night.
He's been a top player, a top pro, a match winner and a true red. Get fucked.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48027.msg1450396#msg1450396 date=1324552033]
Yep, the usual cretins are out in force, probably the same cretins who've been telling us for years that Carragher isn't good enough and are now having their day in the S** because he's hit his final years.
Well done you lot, I don't remember too many of you being out in force when he's scored goals during his 'little run' each season where he's smashed them in against top quality opposition time and time again.
Change the shite, same old tired record. He might be getting past it now, but pretending he's been average for years with the odd positive spell is bullshit. It's funny how every professional who talks about him always applauds him and regards him as a top signing, even the technically brilliant Matt Le Tissier was commenting on how we've had well more than our £9m worth from him, last night.
He's been a top player, a top pro, a match winner and a true red. Get fucked.
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I consider kuyt a good player who has a slump around the same time without fail almost every season. not big deal as everyone has them, what pissed me off more than anything is how he was allowed to play his way out of those slumps on the pitch. what's the point of having a squad? I on't have a problemwith kuyt's ability, I thought last season he gave a masterclass of hold up play away to chelsea.
Yep, the usual cretins are out in force, probably the same cretins who've been telling us for years that Carragher isn't good enough and are now having their day in the S** because he's hit his final years.
Well done you lot, I don't remember too many of you being out in force when he's scored goals during his 'little run' each season where he's smashed them in against top quality opposition time and time again.
Change the shite, same old tired record. He might be getting past it now, but pretending he's been average for years with the odd positive spell is bullshit. It's funny how every professional who talks about him always applauds him and regards him as a top signing, even the technically brilliant Matt Le Tissier was commenting on how we've had well more than our £9m worth from him, last night.
He's been a top player, a top pro, a match winner and a true red. Get fucked.
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I consider kuyt a good player who has a slump around the same time without fail almost every season. not big deal as everyone has them, what pissed me off more than anything is how he was allowed to play his way out of those slumps on the pitch. what's the point of having a squad? I on't have a problemwith kuyt's ability, I thought last season he gave a masterclass of hold up play away to chelsea.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48027.msg1450414#msg1450414 date=1324552794]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48027.msg1450396#msg1450396 date=1324552033]
Yep, the usual cretins are out in force, probably the same cretins who've been telling us for years that Carragher isn't good enough and are now having their day in the S** because he's hit his final years.
Well done you lot, I don't remember too many of you being out in force when he's scored goals during his 'little run' each season where he's smashed them in against top quality opposition time and time again.
Change the shite, same old tired record. He might be getting past it now, but pretending he's been average for years with the odd positive spell is bullshit. It's funny how every professional who talks about him always applauds him and regards him as a top signing, even the technically brilliant Matt Le Tissier was commenting on how we've had well more than our £9m worth from him, last night.
He's been a top player, a top pro, a match winner and a true red. Get fucked.
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I consider kuyt a good player who has a slump around the same time without fail almost every season. not big deal as everyone has them, what pissed me off more than anything is how he was allowed to play his way out of those slumps on the pitch. what's the point of having a squad? I on't have a problemwith kuyt's ability, I thought last season he gave a masterclass of hold up play away to chelsea.
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That's hardly his fauly Neil. He was bought as a striker, shunted to the wing, and has so far played under three managers for 5+ years who, inexplicably, haven't been able to buy a right winger between them. He's done a job and done it well. As a player, statistically & professionally he's been a big success and scored match winners in big games. He's getting older now, that much is obvious, which is why it annoys me watching people have their day in The Lying Rag. It's like Modo going on about how he's been telling everyone for years that Carragher wasn't good enough, now that he's been dropped because his age is starting to tell. It's bollocks, especially when he's then offering up Gary fucking Cahill as the best alternative.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48027.msg1450396#msg1450396 date=1324552033]
Yep, the usual cretins are out in force, probably the same cretins who've been telling us for years that Carragher isn't good enough and are now having their day in the S** because he's hit his final years.
Well done you lot, I don't remember too many of you being out in force when he's scored goals during his 'little run' each season where he's smashed them in against top quality opposition time and time again.
Change the shite, same old tired record. He might be getting past it now, but pretending he's been average for years with the odd positive spell is bullshit. It's funny how every professional who talks about him always applauds him and regards him as a top signing, even the technically brilliant Matt Le Tissier was commenting on how we've had well more than our £9m worth from him, last night.
He's been a top player, a top pro, a match winner and a true red. Get fucked.
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I consider kuyt a good player who has a slump around the same time without fail almost every season. not big deal as everyone has them, what pissed me off more than anything is how he was allowed to play his way out of those slumps on the pitch. what's the point of having a squad? I on't have a problemwith kuyt's ability, I thought last season he gave a masterclass of hold up play away to chelsea.
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That's hardly his fauly Neil. He was bought as a striker, shunted to the wing, and has so far played under three managers for 5+ years who, inexplicably, haven't been able to buy a right winger between them. He's done a job and done it well. As a player, statistically & professionally he's been a big success and scored match winners in big games. He's getting older now, that much is obvious, which is why it annoys me watching people have their day in The Lying Rag. It's like Modo going on about how he's been telling everyone for years that Carragher wasn't good enough, now that he's been dropped because his age is starting to tell. It's bollocks, especially when he's then offering up Gary fucking Cahill as the best alternative.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48027.msg1450422#msg1450422 date=1324553142]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48027.msg1450414#msg1450414 date=1324552794]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48027.msg1450396#msg1450396 date=1324552033]
Yep, the usual cretins are out in force, probably the same cretins who've been telling us for years that Carragher isn't good enough and are now having their day in the S** because he's hit his final years.
Well done you lot, I don't remember too many of you being out in force when he's scored goals during his 'little run' each season where he's smashed them in against top quality opposition time and time again.
Change the shite, same old tired record. He might be getting past it now, but pretending he's been average for years with the odd positive spell is bullshit. It's funny how every professional who talks about him always applauds him and regards him as a top signing, even the technically brilliant Matt Le Tissier was commenting on how we've had well more than our £9m worth from him, last night.
He's been a top player, a top pro, a match winner and a true red. Get fucked.
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I consider kuyt a good player who has a slump around the same time without fail almost every season. not big deal as everyone has them, what pissed me off more than anything is how he was allowed to play his way out of those slumps on the pitch. what's the point of having a squad? I on't have a problemwith kuyt's ability, I thought last season he gave a masterclass of hold up play away to chelsea.
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That's hardly his fauly Neil. He was bought as a striker, shunted to the wing, and has so far played under three managers for 5+ years who, inexplicably, haven't been able to buy a right winger between them. He's done a job and done it well. As a player, statistically & professionally he's been a big success and scored match winners in big games. He's getting older now, that much is obvious, which is why it annoys me watching people have their day in the S**. It's like Modo going on about how he's been telling everyone for years that Carragher wasn't good enough, now that he's been dropped because his age is starting to tell. It's bollocks, especially when he's then offering up Gary fucking Cahill as the best alternative.
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it's not his fault but it is what it is. you mean to tell me you blame the manager rather than the player when they contiue playing game after game despite poor form? I think there are certain players you leave in the team regardless of form because they possess so much ability that one moment of magic and they can turn the game, I don't think kuyt is one of those players but that's not to say I think kuyt is a bad player.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48027.msg1450414#msg1450414 date=1324552794]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48027.msg1450396#msg1450396 date=1324552033]
Yep, the usual cretins are out in force, probably the same cretins who've been telling us for years that Carragher isn't good enough and are now having their day in the S** because he's hit his final years.
Well done you lot, I don't remember too many of you being out in force when he's scored goals during his 'little run' each season where he's smashed them in against top quality opposition time and time again.
Change the shite, same old tired record. He might be getting past it now, but pretending he's been average for years with the odd positive spell is bullshit. It's funny how every professional who talks about him always applauds him and regards him as a top signing, even the technically brilliant Matt Le Tissier was commenting on how we've had well more than our £9m worth from him, last night.
He's been a top player, a top pro, a match winner and a true red. Get fucked.
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I consider kuyt a good player who has a slump around the same time without fail almost every season. not big deal as everyone has them, what pissed me off more than anything is how he was allowed to play his way out of those slumps on the pitch. what's the point of having a squad? I on't have a problemwith kuyt's ability, I thought last season he gave a masterclass of hold up play away to chelsea.
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That's hardly his fauly Neil. He was bought as a striker, shunted to the wing, and has so far played under three managers for 5+ years who, inexplicably, haven't been able to buy a right winger between them. He's done a job and done it well. As a player, statistically & professionally he's been a big success and scored match winners in big games. He's getting older now, that much is obvious, which is why it annoys me watching people have their day in the S**. It's like Modo going on about how he's been telling everyone for years that Carragher wasn't good enough, now that he's been dropped because his age is starting to tell. It's bollocks, especially when he's then offering up Gary fucking Cahill as the best alternative.
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it's not his fault but it is what it is. you mean to tell me you blame the manager rather than the player when they contiue playing game after game despite poor form? I think there are certain players you leave in the team regardless of form because they possess so much ability that one moment of magic and they can turn the game, I don't think kuyt is one of those players but that's not to say I think kuyt is a bad player.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48027.msg1450440#msg1450440 date=1324554005]
you mean to tell me you blame the manager rather than the player when they contiue playing game after game despite poor form?
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Errr.. yeah. Who elses fault is it?
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always the manager, never the player? so when heskey went game after game without scoring you always blamed gh?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48027.msg1450440#msg1450440 date=1324554005]
you mean to tell me you blame the manager rather than the player when they contiue playing game after game despite poor form?
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Errr.. yeah. Who elses fault is it?
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always the manager, never the player? so when heskey went game after game without scoring you always blamed gh?
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48027.msg1450449#msg1450449 date=1324554580]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48027.msg1450440#msg1450440 date=1324554005]
you mean to tell me you blame the manager rather than the player when they contiue playing game after game despite poor form?
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Errr.. yeah. Who elses fault is it?
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always the manager, never the player? so when heskey went game after game without scoring you always blamed gh?
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That wasn't what you said Neil, you asked whether you blame the player or the manager for them continuing to play when in poor form.
It's Dirk's fault if his poor form continues, but it's his managers fault for having a direct impact on the team by continuing to pick him. It's also the managers fault for not having an alternative to turn to.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48027.msg1450440#msg1450440 date=1324554005]
you mean to tell me you blame the manager rather than the player when they contiue playing game after game despite poor form?
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Errr.. yeah. Who elses fault is it?
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always the manager, never the player? so when heskey went game after game without scoring you always blamed gh?
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That wasn't what you said Neil, you asked whether you blame the player or the manager for them continuing to play when in poor form.
It's Dirk's fault if his poor form continues, but it's his managers fault for having a direct impact on the team by continuing to pick him. It's also the managers fault for not having an alternative to turn to.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48027.msg1450455#msg1450455 date=1324554770]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48027.msg1450449#msg1450449 date=1324554580]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48027.msg1450440#msg1450440 date=1324554005]
you mean to tell me you blame the manager rather than the player when they contiue playing game after game despite poor form?
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Errr.. yeah. Who elses fault is it?
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always the manager, never the player? so when heskey went game after game without scoring you always blamed gh?
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It's also the managers fault for not having an alternative to turn to.
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now 'that' I agree with. to be honest I think dirk's continual slump this season is the result of being in and out of the side. needs a good run in the side but I'd rather see players like maxi given the nod ahead of him out wide and carroll given a run ahead of him up front.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48027.msg1450455#msg1450455 date=1324554770]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48027.msg1450449#msg1450449 date=1324554580]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48027.msg1450440#msg1450440 date=1324554005]
you mean to tell me you blame the manager rather than the player when they contiue playing game after game despite poor form?
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Errr.. yeah. Who elses fault is it?
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always the manager, never the player? so when heskey went game after game without scoring you always blamed gh?
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It's also the managers fault for not having an alternative to turn to.
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now 'that' I agree with. to be honest I think dirk's continual slump this season is the result of being in and out of the side. needs a good run in the side but I'd rather see players like maxi given the nod ahead of him out wide and carroll given a run ahead of him up front.
I love him mark, but how will we know when enough's enough? He has his poor runs, then ignites into life. But how long do you give him?
i like that mark is loyal and supportive - not to be patronising at all! - but his stance does sort of smack of those hysterical posts we had from people a few months ago when it was mooted that it might be time to phase carra out: absolute outrage, some of it. and then a few weeks later Kenny does drop him and they suddenly button it.
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Not really. He just doesn't want to see history re-written. There's a massive difference.
Anyone can see the reasons why Dirk isn't an automatic starter at the minute.
Anyone can see the reasons why Dirk isn't an automatic starter at the minute.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48027.msg1450396#msg1450396 date=1324552033]
Yep, the usual cretins are out in force, probably the same cretins who've been telling us for years that Carragher isn't good enough and are now having their day in the S** because he's hit his final years.
Well done you lot, I don't remember too many of you being out in force when he's scored goals during his 'little run' each season where he's smashed them in against top quality opposition time and time again.
Change the shite, same old tired record. He might be getting past it now, but pretending he's been average for years with the odd positive spell is bullshit. It's funny how every professional who talks about him always applauds him and regards him as a top signing, even the technically brilliant Matt Le Tissier was commenting on how we've had well more than our £9m worth from him, last night.
He's been a top player, a top pro, a match winner and a true red. Get fucked.
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Kuyt is not playing rubbish because he's getting past it, he is exactly the same as he has been since he got here. Being a year older has not made him lose any pace because he never had any, being a year older has not all of a sudden made his touch bad because his touch was always bad and being a year older hasn't made him lose the ability to take on his maker or whip a cross in because he could never do any of these things. Your example of carragher is absolutely not valid as carragher is losing some qualities that made him successful but kuyt never had any of these things in the first place. He is not a winger and the fact that we have players like him starting for us is why we are where we are. We are at the end of December and he hasn't played a decent game for us and it happens every year. He is NOT a top player, he IS a top pro, he is ABSOLUTLEY NOT a match winner and unfortunately he is red.
Yep, the usual cretins are out in force, probably the same cretins who've been telling us for years that Carragher isn't good enough and are now having their day in the S** because he's hit his final years.
Well done you lot, I don't remember too many of you being out in force when he's scored goals during his 'little run' each season where he's smashed them in against top quality opposition time and time again.
Change the shite, same old tired record. He might be getting past it now, but pretending he's been average for years with the odd positive spell is bullshit. It's funny how every professional who talks about him always applauds him and regards him as a top signing, even the technically brilliant Matt Le Tissier was commenting on how we've had well more than our £9m worth from him, last night.
He's been a top player, a top pro, a match winner and a true red. Get fucked.
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Kuyt is not playing rubbish because he's getting past it, he is exactly the same as he has been since he got here. Being a year older has not made him lose any pace because he never had any, being a year older has not all of a sudden made his touch bad because his touch was always bad and being a year older hasn't made him lose the ability to take on his maker or whip a cross in because he could never do any of these things. Your example of carragher is absolutely not valid as carragher is losing some qualities that made him successful but kuyt never had any of these things in the first place. He is not a winger and the fact that we have players like him starting for us is why we are where we are. We are at the end of December and he hasn't played a decent game for us and it happens every year. He is NOT a top player, he IS a top pro, he is ABSOLUTLEY NOT a match winner and unfortunately he is red.
He's not "playing like he's done since he got here". He's been fantastic for us, and certainly deserves respect. That's why it saddens me to see him not performing. Most players I wouldn't give a shit.
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