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Yep he said he wasn't flying the first plane but the second plane. At which point all the Talksport people went " there's a second plane? "
Yep he said he wasn't flying the first plane but the second plane. At which point all the Talksport people went " there's a second plane? "
Oh, I really do love 'He's out of his depth'.
It's so flexible.
They can use it for 99% of their squad/staff etc.
- Ashley Van Buren @avb 17h
@moyesy same thing happened to me a few months back. It's bizarre and frustrating, but it'll (mostly) blow over.Details - Sarah Moyes @moyesy 9h
@avb yeah I heard, I'm very much looking forward to it blowing over! xDetails - RaviVisvesvaraPrasad @rvp 6h
@moyesy @avb i dont think it will ever stop or blow over. I've had it really bad since aug'12. kudos to the witty humorous way you handle itDetails
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@rvp @moyesy My guy gets fired a lot. So I get some breaks.
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And scudacunt was moaning them not being top of the league was damaging.
Your own fans, paying to fly a plane over your own stadium, haranguing their own manager. That doesn't seem damaging too me.
Your own fans, paying to fly a plane over your own stadium, haranguing their own manager. That doesn't seem damaging too me.
It's a 'bookmaker' apparently.
If I were to put money on it I'd say Paddy Power, dirt cheap advertising in the national press.
If I were to put money on it I'd say Paddy Power, dirt cheap advertising in the national press.
Good call mate.
Press red for airplane cam.
How will they react to this?
btw @King Binny, not really a good idea to post an image of that shit rag.
The second plane is another set of fans with a message supporting Moyes. This is fucking brilliant cringeworthy civil war. Utd fan fighting Utd fan. Long may it continue. Couldn't have happened to a more rancid, bent, scummy club.
I said ages ago that banner would come back to haunt the nasally Frank Sidebottom voiced, earring wearing, washed denim clad, mullet headed, Allan 'You Manc Twat' Beswick listening, wankers.
I said ages ago that banner would come back to haunt the nasally Frank Sidebottom voiced, earring wearing, washed denim clad, mullet headed, Allan 'You Manc Twat' Beswick listening, wankers.
How will they react to this?
Ha. The sword will be wield
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Moyes: "I think that if Sir Alex was here this year it would be difficult for him as well and he would be aware of that." #MUFC
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Manchester United manager David Moyes says even Sir Alex Ferguson would have struggled with ageing squad - http://fw.to/KBOFsAj
Before the season started:
"This is the squad that finished 11 points clear at the top of the league last season so I am confident in the squad," he said.
"But even without additions this squad will be tough opponents for any team - they will be looking at Manchester United.
"We know we will be challenged by everybody, every game we play." - Moyes
"This is the squad that finished 11 points clear at the top of the league last season so I am confident in the squad," he said.
"But even without additions this squad will be tough opponents for any team - they will be looking at Manchester United.
"We know we will be challenged by everybody, every game we play." - Moyes
Manchester United manager David Moyes has only himself to blame - the champions are still top-four quality
Did David Moyes really need to make such wholesale changes when he replaced Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United?
By Michael Owen
7:44PM GMT 28 Mar 2014
It could be argued the biggest mistake David Moyes made atManchester United was in his first week in charge. That was when he decided a full regime change was required at Old Trafford rather than just a managerial one.
Sir Alex Ferguson’s retirement was always going to have serious consequences but the transition could and should have been more seamless than it has become. Had Moyes retained the loyal lieutenants who thrived alongside Sir Alex and knew the club, players and entire staff so well, I do not believe the current situation would be so critical for the new manager so soon into his reign.
In his latter years, Sir Alex was a figurehead at the club, the ultimate delegator who allowed others to focus on the coaching. Thanks to Rene Meulensteen, Mike Phelan and Eric Steele he had a backroom team he trusted to apply the methods that had brought such unprecedented success. They were extremely popular with the players and made the training ground a pleasurable place to be, somewhere you could not wait to get to work every morning. I rate Meulensteen among the finest coaches I have trained under.
Of course, being part of a successful club so used to winning is a major part of that. When results go against you it affects everyone’s mood and it is hardly unexpected if there are fewer smiling faces at Carrington this season, but the more comfortable players are in their working environment the more likely they are to perform.
Change is always risky and United had no choice but to look to the future when Sir Alex left, but did it really have to be so wholesale?
I was surprised when the backroom trio was asked to leave and in retrospect it upset the dynamic at the club even more than Sir Alex’s departure. On a day-to-day basis, he was not a hands-on manager so although United were always going to miss his wisdom, his tactical insight and his motivational presence in the changing room, in terms of the day-to-day engagement with players and staff the transition could have been handled better.
Supporters never get their head around this, but what they see on the pitch represents about two per cent of a footballer’s working week.
Everything gearing up to that 90 minutes happens in the training facility – that is where everyone needs to feel most settled in order to produce their best where it matters, on match day.
The support staff are often underestimated but I can assure you, for the players, they are as important as the manager and Sir Alex recognised this better than anyone. He was the ultimate man-manager and could greet every member of the vast staff at a club of United’s stature on first name terms. He had the capacity to make everyone who worked with and for him feel special.
Moyes is a more hands-on coach, but you cannot do everything at a club like Manchester United, you have to bow to others’ expertise. Perhaps he had a certain way of controlling every department at Everton, but you have to adapt to new surroundings. Sir Alex always knew where his focus should be and what his players responded to.
It is understandable a new manager will want to surround himself with his own allies, those he has worked with most closely at previous clubs, but at the very least Moyes could have waited a season to see if he could establish a working relationship with the existing staff, just to maintain a sense of familiarity. If it did not work and the staff did not fit the new vision, fair enough. However, it was inevitable questions were raised at the time of the backroom changes and even more so now given so much has gone wrong.
Moyes took over in unusual circumstances. Usually a manager gets a job because his predecessor has been sacked and the club want a fresh start. That was not the case at United. Everything was in perfect, working order.
The loss of such an iconic manager did not mean his tried and tested methods had to go with him. I have never heard so much rubbish when it is suggested Sir Alex is somehow to blame for the performances this season. I noted he received some criticism in the stadium following the defeat to Manchester City, but I cannot believe it was more than one or two misguided fans.
There is a saying that you should always try to go out on top. That is what Sir Alex did. He left behind the champions, with a transfer kitty which has already seen £80 million spent and plenty more available this summer. What more could a new manager desire? It was not a tainted legacy but a perfect one.
There is too much revisionism claiming United only won the league because of the failings of everyone else. How about we stick to the facts. United won 89 points last season. This year’s title winners will do well to beat that.
Sir Alex’s recommendation to the board to recruit Moyes was widely supported at the time, myself included. No one foresaw how this season would go and no matter how much work is required to rebuild the squad, there is no way they should be struggling in seventh position.
We can all identify the problems. Nemanja Vidic, Patrice Evra and Rio Ferdinand are coming to the end of their careers, but the playing staff is packed with high quality, young talent. It is still a title-winning squad that now includes Juan Mata, a player most managers covet. If they were not going to go close to defending their crown this season, they should at least have been in the top four.
Nobody likes to see managers suffer, and, like every former United player, I hope Moyes proves to be successful.
I do not envy the position of chief executive Ed Woodward ,who clearly has a desire to stand by his manager, give him all the time he can to put this difficult start behind him, but must weigh that up against a football environment at home and in Europe as competitive as it has ever been.
There are vast sums of money available to invest at the end of this season, but if there is even the slightest doubt as to whether Moyes is the right man to spend it there will be some serious considerations ahead for the United board.
You cannot take heavy beatings in consecutive weeks to your fiercest rivals and not expect difficult questions to be asked, albeit with a heavy heart.
For all the talk about long-term support and never going the way of Chelsea with their constant managerial changes, a job of United’s stature will, by necessity, include certain performance-related conditions.
The only way Moyes will get the time he craves is to improve results and performances immediately.
Did David Moyes really need to make such wholesale changes when he replaced Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United?
By Michael Owen
7:44PM GMT 28 Mar 2014
It could be argued the biggest mistake David Moyes made atManchester United was in his first week in charge. That was when he decided a full regime change was required at Old Trafford rather than just a managerial one.
Sir Alex Ferguson’s retirement was always going to have serious consequences but the transition could and should have been more seamless than it has become. Had Moyes retained the loyal lieutenants who thrived alongside Sir Alex and knew the club, players and entire staff so well, I do not believe the current situation would be so critical for the new manager so soon into his reign.
In his latter years, Sir Alex was a figurehead at the club, the ultimate delegator who allowed others to focus on the coaching. Thanks to Rene Meulensteen, Mike Phelan and Eric Steele he had a backroom team he trusted to apply the methods that had brought such unprecedented success. They were extremely popular with the players and made the training ground a pleasurable place to be, somewhere you could not wait to get to work every morning. I rate Meulensteen among the finest coaches I have trained under.
Of course, being part of a successful club so used to winning is a major part of that. When results go against you it affects everyone’s mood and it is hardly unexpected if there are fewer smiling faces at Carrington this season, but the more comfortable players are in their working environment the more likely they are to perform.
Change is always risky and United had no choice but to look to the future when Sir Alex left, but did it really have to be so wholesale?
I was surprised when the backroom trio was asked to leave and in retrospect it upset the dynamic at the club even more than Sir Alex’s departure. On a day-to-day basis, he was not a hands-on manager so although United were always going to miss his wisdom, his tactical insight and his motivational presence in the changing room, in terms of the day-to-day engagement with players and staff the transition could have been handled better.
Supporters never get their head around this, but what they see on the pitch represents about two per cent of a footballer’s working week.
Everything gearing up to that 90 minutes happens in the training facility – that is where everyone needs to feel most settled in order to produce their best where it matters, on match day.
The support staff are often underestimated but I can assure you, for the players, they are as important as the manager and Sir Alex recognised this better than anyone. He was the ultimate man-manager and could greet every member of the vast staff at a club of United’s stature on first name terms. He had the capacity to make everyone who worked with and for him feel special.
Moyes is a more hands-on coach, but you cannot do everything at a club like Manchester United, you have to bow to others’ expertise. Perhaps he had a certain way of controlling every department at Everton, but you have to adapt to new surroundings. Sir Alex always knew where his focus should be and what his players responded to.
It is understandable a new manager will want to surround himself with his own allies, those he has worked with most closely at previous clubs, but at the very least Moyes could have waited a season to see if he could establish a working relationship with the existing staff, just to maintain a sense of familiarity. If it did not work and the staff did not fit the new vision, fair enough. However, it was inevitable questions were raised at the time of the backroom changes and even more so now given so much has gone wrong.
Moyes took over in unusual circumstances. Usually a manager gets a job because his predecessor has been sacked and the club want a fresh start. That was not the case at United. Everything was in perfect, working order.
The loss of such an iconic manager did not mean his tried and tested methods had to go with him. I have never heard so much rubbish when it is suggested Sir Alex is somehow to blame for the performances this season. I noted he received some criticism in the stadium following the defeat to Manchester City, but I cannot believe it was more than one or two misguided fans.
There is a saying that you should always try to go out on top. That is what Sir Alex did. He left behind the champions, with a transfer kitty which has already seen £80 million spent and plenty more available this summer. What more could a new manager desire? It was not a tainted legacy but a perfect one.
There is too much revisionism claiming United only won the league because of the failings of everyone else. How about we stick to the facts. United won 89 points last season. This year’s title winners will do well to beat that.
Sir Alex’s recommendation to the board to recruit Moyes was widely supported at the time, myself included. No one foresaw how this season would go and no matter how much work is required to rebuild the squad, there is no way they should be struggling in seventh position.
We can all identify the problems. Nemanja Vidic, Patrice Evra and Rio Ferdinand are coming to the end of their careers, but the playing staff is packed with high quality, young talent. It is still a title-winning squad that now includes Juan Mata, a player most managers covet. If they were not going to go close to defending their crown this season, they should at least have been in the top four.
Nobody likes to see managers suffer, and, like every former United player, I hope Moyes proves to be successful.
I do not envy the position of chief executive Ed Woodward ,who clearly has a desire to stand by his manager, give him all the time he can to put this difficult start behind him, but must weigh that up against a football environment at home and in Europe as competitive as it has ever been.
There are vast sums of money available to invest at the end of this season, but if there is even the slightest doubt as to whether Moyes is the right man to spend it there will be some serious considerations ahead for the United board.
You cannot take heavy beatings in consecutive weeks to your fiercest rivals and not expect difficult questions to be asked, albeit with a heavy heart.
For all the talk about long-term support and never going the way of Chelsea with their constant managerial changes, a job of United’s stature will, by necessity, include certain performance-related conditions.
The only way Moyes will get the time he craves is to improve results and performances immediately.
Manchester United manager David Moyes says even Sir Alex Ferguson would have struggled with ageing squad
David Moyes faces his first public display of supporters' protest in Manchester United's clash with Aston Villa, but says his ageing squad would have tested any manager
By Mark Ogden, Northern Football Correspondent
10:30PM GMT 28 Mar 2014
David Moyes has claimed that even Sir Alex Ferguson would have struggled to arrest Manchester United’s decline this season after pointing to the “ageing” squad he inherited as a key factor in the club’s fall from grace.
Moyes is facing the first public display of opposition to his appointment as Ferguson’s successor on Saturday with a group of supporters raising £840 to fly a plane over Old Trafford trailing a banner emblazoned with the words “Wrong One – Moyes Out” during the game against Aston Villa.
The Scot insists that support inside the stadium remains in his favour, despite fans verbally attacking Ferguson for selecting Moyes following Tuesday’s 3-0 defeat at home to Manchester City.
But with Moyes overseeing a disastrous defence of the Premier League title, with United seventh and facing a battle to secure qualification for the Europa League, the former Everton manager believes that even his predecessor would have encountered severe turbulence this season.
“I would say United supporters this year have probably been as good as people have seen them for many a year,” Moyes said. “They understand there is a change, that there has been a change from a great manager and, not just a great manager but a manager who was here for 25 years, and to make that change is always going to be difficult.
“People are aware there is a squad that is a bit more ageing, so I think it would have been a tough season for whoever was in charge of Manchester United this year.
“And I actually think if Sir Alex was here this year it would be difficult for Sir Alex as well and I’m sure he would be aware of it.
“It could have been the case no matter what this season, but it has been so un-Man United, which is why we have to look to continue a policy of building, improving, getting better and that’s what we’ll try and do.”
Despite an acceptance within Old Trafford that Moyes faced a rebuilding job when he succeeded Ferguson last summer, Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho – regarded by many Ferguson’s obvious successor – yesterday defended his record and legacy.
“He [Ferguson] can only be blamed for one thing,” Mourinho said. “That United are the club they are. He’s retired, let him retire in peace.”
A growing number of supporters now identify Moyes as the central figure in United’s slump, however, and the hiring of the plane to fly the protest banner is a reflection of the mood among some sections.
Described by the organisers of the stunt as being “borne put of acute frustration”, the fly-past is aimed at displaying an alternative view to those supporters who have refused to remove the “Chosen One” banner – so-called because Moyes was anointed by Ferguson – from the Stretford End.
In a statement, the fly-past organisers said: “We cannot have a manager who thinks it is acceptable to call our major rivals ‘favourites’ when they play us at Old Trafford. It is a betrayal of the club’s ethos, a betrayal of the players and a betrayal of the fans’ support.
“We want a manager who understands and embraces our attacking traditions and has a vision of confidence for the future, not a manager who seems to be completely disassociated and visibly uncomfortable with the fact that he is the manager of Manchester United.”
With the “Chosen One” banner proving to be the focal point of the United supporters’ disharmony, Moyes conceded that he would rather have earned the tribute.
“The reason Sir Alex Ferguson has a stand named after him is because of the success,” Moyes said. “I’ve said right from day one here that until I’m successful, I’ve got no need for any banners. I don’t expect it, you earn it and I’m going to earn it.
“Would I prefer it [if it wasn’t there]? It makes no difference to me whatsoever. I’ll be happy when I’ve won trophies and then I can have a banner up there by right.”
Moyes added: “I’ve heard about the plane and obviously it’s something that people can do. But for me, I’ve sensed a stronger level of support in Old Trafford.”
Although confidence in Moyes from within the dressing room has begun to drain away, the 50-year-old retains the support of the United hierarchy, with lengthy discussions over summer transfer targets taking place with executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward only last week.
Moyes has, however, found his tactics and selections criticised by former players Paul Scholes and Gary Neville this week, but he claims that he still has the backing of the club.
“I think the best people to judge would be the people who appointed me,” Moyes said. “The people who appointed are incredibly knowledgeable football people.
“In fact, it was probably the most knowledgeable person [Ferguson] who gave me the job, so you would have to look at them and they were the people who put me in place.
“They saw somebody who could do the job at Manchester United and know what the club is about and the style of the job. So you have to trust those people, they trust me and for that reason we’ll go on working together.
“My style is actually everything I think Manchester United have done in the past and my plans are there to make sure we have that level of young player. We still have to go out to bring in one or two to help, but it’s a longer period and I’ve always wanted to introduce younger players and get them in the team if we can.”
David Moyes faces his first public display of supporters' protest in Manchester United's clash with Aston Villa, but says his ageing squad would have tested any manager
By Mark Ogden, Northern Football Correspondent
10:30PM GMT 28 Mar 2014
David Moyes has claimed that even Sir Alex Ferguson would have struggled to arrest Manchester United’s decline this season after pointing to the “ageing” squad he inherited as a key factor in the club’s fall from grace.
Moyes is facing the first public display of opposition to his appointment as Ferguson’s successor on Saturday with a group of supporters raising £840 to fly a plane over Old Trafford trailing a banner emblazoned with the words “Wrong One – Moyes Out” during the game against Aston Villa.
The Scot insists that support inside the stadium remains in his favour, despite fans verbally attacking Ferguson for selecting Moyes following Tuesday’s 3-0 defeat at home to Manchester City.
But with Moyes overseeing a disastrous defence of the Premier League title, with United seventh and facing a battle to secure qualification for the Europa League, the former Everton manager believes that even his predecessor would have encountered severe turbulence this season.
“I would say United supporters this year have probably been as good as people have seen them for many a year,” Moyes said. “They understand there is a change, that there has been a change from a great manager and, not just a great manager but a manager who was here for 25 years, and to make that change is always going to be difficult.
“People are aware there is a squad that is a bit more ageing, so I think it would have been a tough season for whoever was in charge of Manchester United this year.
“And I actually think if Sir Alex was here this year it would be difficult for Sir Alex as well and I’m sure he would be aware of it.
“It could have been the case no matter what this season, but it has been so un-Man United, which is why we have to look to continue a policy of building, improving, getting better and that’s what we’ll try and do.”
Despite an acceptance within Old Trafford that Moyes faced a rebuilding job when he succeeded Ferguson last summer, Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho – regarded by many Ferguson’s obvious successor – yesterday defended his record and legacy.
“He [Ferguson] can only be blamed for one thing,” Mourinho said. “That United are the club they are. He’s retired, let him retire in peace.”
A growing number of supporters now identify Moyes as the central figure in United’s slump, however, and the hiring of the plane to fly the protest banner is a reflection of the mood among some sections.
Described by the organisers of the stunt as being “borne put of acute frustration”, the fly-past is aimed at displaying an alternative view to those supporters who have refused to remove the “Chosen One” banner – so-called because Moyes was anointed by Ferguson – from the Stretford End.
In a statement, the fly-past organisers said: “We cannot have a manager who thinks it is acceptable to call our major rivals ‘favourites’ when they play us at Old Trafford. It is a betrayal of the club’s ethos, a betrayal of the players and a betrayal of the fans’ support.
“We want a manager who understands and embraces our attacking traditions and has a vision of confidence for the future, not a manager who seems to be completely disassociated and visibly uncomfortable with the fact that he is the manager of Manchester United.”
With the “Chosen One” banner proving to be the focal point of the United supporters’ disharmony, Moyes conceded that he would rather have earned the tribute.
“The reason Sir Alex Ferguson has a stand named after him is because of the success,” Moyes said. “I’ve said right from day one here that until I’m successful, I’ve got no need for any banners. I don’t expect it, you earn it and I’m going to earn it.
“Would I prefer it [if it wasn’t there]? It makes no difference to me whatsoever. I’ll be happy when I’ve won trophies and then I can have a banner up there by right.”
Moyes added: “I’ve heard about the plane and obviously it’s something that people can do. But for me, I’ve sensed a stronger level of support in Old Trafford.”
Although confidence in Moyes from within the dressing room has begun to drain away, the 50-year-old retains the support of the United hierarchy, with lengthy discussions over summer transfer targets taking place with executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward only last week.
Moyes has, however, found his tactics and selections criticised by former players Paul Scholes and Gary Neville this week, but he claims that he still has the backing of the club.
“I think the best people to judge would be the people who appointed me,” Moyes said. “The people who appointed are incredibly knowledgeable football people.
“In fact, it was probably the most knowledgeable person [Ferguson] who gave me the job, so you would have to look at them and they were the people who put me in place.
“They saw somebody who could do the job at Manchester United and know what the club is about and the style of the job. So you have to trust those people, they trust me and for that reason we’ll go on working together.
“My style is actually everything I think Manchester United have done in the past and my plans are there to make sure we have that level of young player. We still have to go out to bring in one or two to help, but it’s a longer period and I’ve always wanted to introduce younger players and get them in the team if we can.”
'My style is actually everything I think Manchester United have done in the past'
Haha, What the fuck does that even mean?
The bloke is reaching his peak now for talking utter shite and its looks like its all going to blow very soon, its getting to the stage of no return for him.
I used to think he would get to the end of the season but i can't see that any longer, unfortunatly its looking like the final chapter in this great comedy.
The end of the season looks a long way off for him right now, everyone expects them to lose to Bayern but if Bayern do what us and City should have done and put 5 or 6 past them on Tuesday then that could well be it for old Moysie, just 1 bad result anywhere now and the pitchforks will be fully out.
Oh how Moyes must be wishing the season to hurry up and end, haha.
Haha, What the fuck does that even mean?
The bloke is reaching his peak now for talking utter shite and its looks like its all going to blow very soon, its getting to the stage of no return for him.
I used to think he would get to the end of the season but i can't see that any longer, unfortunatly its looking like the final chapter in this great comedy.
The end of the season looks a long way off for him right now, everyone expects them to lose to Bayern but if Bayern do what us and City should have done and put 5 or 6 past them on Tuesday then that could well be it for old Moysie, just 1 bad result anywhere now and the pitchforks will be fully out.
Oh how Moyes must be wishing the season to hurry up and end, haha.
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