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Dempsey, aka Demsey appaz ;) - Bullet dodged?

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What did I get wrong Ross? He's scored 11 goals as an impact player for them, and 7 of them in the league. So I got the total right and not the league goals, big whoopdy fucking do.
Those 7 goals could have won us 9-12 points more had we signed him from the start of the season. In the end I'm very happy we didnt because it resulted in us getting Coutinho and Sturridge which is a much better outcome, yet something we DIDNT know in August.

So in other words, you have as usual absolutly no idea what you're on about. Using stats when you feel like it, thinking managers doesnt matter and that ALL PLAYERS LOSE THEIR LEGS WHEN THEY HIT 30 AND MUST BE SHOT AND TURNED IN TO GLUE.

So shut yer trap and stop trolling.

The point is you're wrong about everything, all of the time. And when I call you out on it you say I'm trolling.
Stop being wrong all the time and you won't feel like I'm trolling when I talk sense

So you agree now that it would have been a bad idea to sign Dempsey, imagine if you had the ability to rationalise why it was a bad idea at the outset ? You'd be looking at the things I do (and the likes of dmishra and Delinquent who are usually right), yet all you do is try to (badly) take the piss - while regurgitating a load of falsehoods that are commonly held as footballing wisdom.
 
Because he didn't make an effort

Nothing to do with Fulham getting a shitty on and refusing to play him in any preseason games or allowing him to be part of the their preseason preparation then? He missed the whole of preseason, at least look shit up before you start dragging your fucking knuckles everywhere.
 
Nothing to do with Fulham getting a shitty on and refusing to play him in any preseason games or allowing him to be part of the their preseason preparation then? He missed the whole of preseason.

And of course there's no possible other way he could have gotten fit
 
I guess that Coutinho's a lazy cunt or whatever, given he was only getting about 60 minutes a game for the first couple of months because his fitness wasn't upto scratch.
 
The point is you're wrong about everything, all of the time. And when I call you out on it you say I'm trolling.
Stop being wrong all the time and you won't feel like I'm trolling when I talk sense

So you agree now that it would have been a bad idea to sign Dempsey, imagine if you had the ability to rationalise why it was a bad idea at the outset ? You'd be looking at the things I do (and the likes of dmishra and Delinquent who are usually right), yet all you do is try to (badly) take the piss - while regurgitating a load of falsehoods that are commonly held as footballing wisdom.

Hahaha, christ. I'm wrong all the time? You're negative 98% of the time and are bound to be right about something. Its like answering the same to every question someone asks you, you'll eventually get something right.

No, I still think he'd be a good signing. 11 goals in 37 games would have gotten us some extra points and maybe a longer cup run.
It worked out better with us signing Coutinho and Sturridge, but that wasnt possible in August.

And get over yourself, I've yet to see you being right about anything to be honest.
The bizzarre manager stance and that you cant buy a player past 30.
Yet when people call you out on most of it you just disapear from the threads.
 
Maybe if we had've signed Dempsey early in the window we wouldn't have bothered our arses signing Borini or Assaidi, then still got Coutinho and Sturridge, that sounds alright to me.
 
Andy Carroll got 7 league goals in 21 games for the Hammers. We would have been better of keeping him rather than mess about with Dempsey.
 
Hahaha, christ. I'm wrong all the time? You're negative 98% of the time and are bound to be right about something. Its like answering the same to every question someone asks you, you'll eventually get something right.

No, I still think he'd be a good signing. 11 goals in 37 games would have gotten us some extra points and maybe a longer cup run.
It worked out better with us signing Coutinho and Sturridge, but that wasnt possible in August.

And get over yourself, I've yet to see you being right about anything to be honest.
The bizzarre manager stance and that you cant buy a player past 30.
Yet when people call you out on most of it you just disapear from the threads.

It's amazing how you and others constantly take things out of context and confuse yourselves.

You're the same person who wanted Downing for 20m, you then wanted to replace him with Dempsey for 6m. If we had unlimited funds we could replace one flavour of the year with another each summer. Unfortunately when you're handing out contracts for three and four years you can't afford to work that way, you've got to give those contracts to players who are going to be good for the duration of the contract.

People wanted Dempsey because he hit 18 Premier League goals, making him "proven". It was a fluke. You have to be totally ignorant of trends in football and player performance to think he was going to repeat that, but lots of people still wanted him. In a much better team he then scored 7 league goals. Spurs still have him for two more years, is he going to bounce back to score lots more next season ?
 
Maybe if we had've signed Dempsey early in the window we wouldn't have bothered our arses signing Borini or Assaidi, then still got Coutinho and Sturridge, that sounds alright to me.
If we got Dempsey in the summer, there was no way we were getting Sturridge in January. Sturidge was bought, to make up for the summer fuck-up where we let Carroll go and failed to replace him.
 
If we got Dempsey in the summer, there was no way we were getting Sturridge in January. Sturidge was bought, to make up for the summer fuck-up where we let Carroll go and failed to replace him.

We wanted Sturridge in the Summer too but balked at the price, apparently we saved £5m waiting until Jan.
 
It's amazing how you and others constantly take things out of context and confuse yourselves.

You're the same person who wanted Downing for 20m, you then wanted to replace him with Dempsey for 6m. If we had unlimited funds we could replace one flavour of the year with another each summer. Unfortunately when you're handing out contracts for three and four years you can't afford to work that way, you've got to give those contracts to players who are going to be good for the duration of the contract.

People wanted Dempsey because he hit 18 Premier League goals, making him "proven". It was a fluke. You have to be totally ignorant of trends in football and player performance to think he was going to repeat that, but lots of people still wanted him. In a much better team he then scored 7 league goals. Spurs still have him for two more years, is he going to bounce back to score lots more next season ?

Its equally amazing that you always take snippets out of posts and opinions to suit your agenda and views.
I wanted to add Dempsey to the squad not replace Downing. For 6 mill and decent wages you get a player that can operate in 4-5 different positions and scores goals. An average of 6-7 goals pr league season isnt bad when you're a attacking midfielder/left winger. His previous season was a one off, but he contributes with 6-7 goals a season in the league and can play in umpteen positions, thats a good deal for 6 mill.
I imagine he'll score the same amount and contribute to them maybe getting top 4. If they do his goals against Utd and Stoke will be worth the 6 mill alone.

For us to break into the top 4 we need to add some experienced players aswell, or at least be willing to take the risk. A 3 year contract for a 29 year old player that could give you 7-11 goals in all comps pr year could be well worth it and get you into the top 4.
Its all about finding the right deals and signing the right players. Age is irrelvant if it could be the missing piece of the puzzle.
Look at Juve, signing Andrea Pirlo on a short term contract. 33 years old and has been a revelation for them and its resulted in 2 league titles.

Regarding the wright and wrong issue. Who cares? Everyone gets things wrong, its called being a football fan with opinions. Who gives a fuck if I wanted Downing or not? I liked him as a player for Villa. So he had a shite first year and a better second year. We paid to much regardless and everyone said it at the time.
The sooner you realize that your not SCMs footballing answer to Einstein but an ordinary Irish bloke who likes football and loves hamburgers, the better for this site. Not everything is as black and white as you suggest.
Everyone gets things right and everyone will get things wrong from time to time. Deal with it and stop being such a dick about everything.
 
Wait, you wanted both Dempsey AND Downing to be in the squad? And you're still not thinking that that would be a bad thing? Who else would you want to join them, David Bentley?
 
Hansern, some of what you say makes sense. Occasionally older players can be good deals, when they are the missing piece of the puzzle.

The problem is we're missing about 10 pieces, I said this about Downing at the time we signed him - he's not the difference between us and fourth so he didn't warrant the outlay. The same can be said of Dempsey. No single player is going to be the difference between seventh and fourth right now.

We are a million miles away from a place where we can think sort term and buy average older players at a peak cost for marginal improvements. Constantly adding these expensive average players is why we are where we are, it's not going to get us out of the shit.

We need to collect younger talents right now, not all of them will succeed but when we get a few good ones together we'll have the core we need. Then we can think about adding expensive pieces to the squad.
 
I am glad we missed out on Dempsey, not becuase he is 30 or didn't have a pre season but because I don't rate him as good enough to move us forward, same with Downing.
 
Wait, you wanted both Dempsey AND Downing to be in the squad? And you're still not thinking that that would be a bad thing? Who else would you want to join them, David Bentley?

Clint Hill, Leigertwood, Frazier Campbell, Phil Neville, Dean Windass, Shaun Wright Phillips, David Bardsley, Robert Green and Kevin Francis.
 
Hansern, some of what you say makes sense. Occasionally older players can be good deals, when they are the missing piece of the puzzle.

The problem is we're missing about 10 pieces, I said this about Downing at the time we signed him - he's not the difference between us and fourth so he didn't warrant the outlay. The same can be said of Dempsey. No single player is going to be the difference between seventh and fourth right now.

We are a million miles away from a place where we can think sort term and buy average older players at a peak cost for marginal improvements. Constantly adding these expensive average players is why we are where we are, it's not going to get us out of the shit.

We need to collect younger talents right now, not all of them will succeed but when we get a few good ones together we'll have the core we need. Then we can think about adding expensive pieces to the squad.
I don't think we are a million miles away from 4th. As I said in the Sturridge thread, if we had signed both Sturridge and Coutinho in the summer, we'd be much higher up the table. If Suarez stays, and we can even improve part of our defensive problems, I think 4th spot is a realistic target next season.
 
The point is, can we break in to the top 4 having the lowest average age first team squad in the league?
I think we need to add some players with experience aswell.
 
I don't get the thread headline at the risk of being whoosh fucked I really don't.
 
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