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Fat Sam said that he targeted a fast start against us as we'd be tired after the CL game. They just did to us what we did to others last season.
Rodgers has already acknowledged our lack of intensity. I don't think it's so much a tactical thing as a preparation thing.
I'd be expecting Rodgers to get into the players heads before he starts shuffling the pack. I don't think he'll have too much trouble getting them up for the derby match.
Rodgers has already acknowledged our lack of intensity. I don't think it's so much a tactical thing as a preparation thing.
I'd be expecting Rodgers to get into the players heads before he starts shuffling the pack. I don't think he'll have too much trouble getting them up for the derby match.
First off: for getting the team playing so wonderfully well, in the right way, last season, Rodgers deserves a hell of a lot of slack this season. This is a gem of a coach who is always looking to get a team playing like surely all of us want a team to play.
And in spite of the short term pain of bad results, it should be fascinating to see how a very bright coach tries to solve the problems.
Some of the problems would have been lesser ones had we got his better options. He wanted Costa, for example - what a difference he would have made. He wanted other players who also would have speeded up the recovery.
He's been hampered by having to replace the irreplaceable in Suarez. Balotelli, given the lack of better options willing to come, who were affordable, at that stage in the window, was a decent gamble. But when Sturridge is out we're simply not equipped to play anything like we did, up front, last season. We have to remedy that in January.
Defensively, I think he made a great buy with Lovren. I must have missed the outpouring of outrage when he signed. To me it made a great amount of sense. And then he signed Moreno - I think he's clearly a fine signing. So his moves, in terms of personnel, to improve the defence strike me as commendable.
The defence now needs root and branch re-education. Try anything, even Ronnie Moran's pre-historic trick of getting the CBs training linked by holding the same bit of rope. They have to build themselves back up by the basics. But not in isolation to the aims of the team as a whole. The rest of the team won't even get started if we just get the defence re-trained in isolation. In a Rodgers team, very admirably, the defence is the first step in a new attack, not just the last stage in frustrating an assault on our own goal. That can't change. So he has to solve it. It'll take time. There has to be patience.
And in spite of the short term pain of bad results, it should be fascinating to see how a very bright coach tries to solve the problems.
Some of the problems would have been lesser ones had we got his better options. He wanted Costa, for example - what a difference he would have made. He wanted other players who also would have speeded up the recovery.
He's been hampered by having to replace the irreplaceable in Suarez. Balotelli, given the lack of better options willing to come, who were affordable, at that stage in the window, was a decent gamble. But when Sturridge is out we're simply not equipped to play anything like we did, up front, last season. We have to remedy that in January.
Defensively, I think he made a great buy with Lovren. I must have missed the outpouring of outrage when he signed. To me it made a great amount of sense. And then he signed Moreno - I think he's clearly a fine signing. So his moves, in terms of personnel, to improve the defence strike me as commendable.
The defence now needs root and branch re-education. Try anything, even Ronnie Moran's pre-historic trick of getting the CBs training linked by holding the same bit of rope. They have to build themselves back up by the basics. But not in isolation to the aims of the team as a whole. The rest of the team won't even get started if we just get the defence re-trained in isolation. In a Rodgers team, very admirably, the defence is the first step in a new attack, not just the last stage in frustrating an assault on our own goal. That can't change. So he has to solve it. It'll take time. There has to be patience.
There is no need to be upset.
As my post #26 above .. I wasn't referring to Mark.
Well how about, just for consideration like, the most successful team of the past 20 years. Did Ferguson coach ? Did he like fuck !
Bit odd to quote him then. And what's Ginsoak got to to do with multiple coaches? You're a fine fellow but, really, you're having a nightmare in this thread.
Nah you need to look at it again mate. I said 'As Above' indicating Mark should refer to my post above - and then went on to expand on that in answer to Mark's post.
He didn't do the coaching himself is the point - I have no idea how many coaches he had though. Do you ? (serious Q).
I can certainly see the point about BR losing the respect of the layers to some degree of he gets a coach in. But at the same time, it's a bloody good way of pushing the point home about just how shit they are right now.
"I'm a fucking good coach, but you lot are shit to the
Point that we need a specialist." A consultant, if you will. Happens in many a field.
The bottom line is, what option so we have if this continues?
Would you sack him for someone who does a more rounded job? Attack and defence?
Would you keep him and watch us struggle to score more than the opposition now that we have no Luis?
Or get an extra coach in who can assist him with the defence?
There's no definitive answer I don't think.
As Froggy has rightly pointed out, Fergie didn't coach, and look what happened there...
Personally I'd give him a few more games and if it's not dramatically better, is get a coach in. Or within a few months, we will be out of the CL, nowhere near winning the league and struggling to get top four.
"I'm a fucking good coach, but you lot are shit to the
Point that we need a specialist." A consultant, if you will. Happens in many a field.
The bottom line is, what option so we have if this continues?
Would you sack him for someone who does a more rounded job? Attack and defence?
Would you keep him and watch us struggle to score more than the opposition now that we have no Luis?
Or get an extra coach in who can assist him with the defence?
There's no definitive answer I don't think.
As Froggy has rightly pointed out, Fergie didn't coach, and look what happened there...
Personally I'd give him a few more games and if it's not dramatically better, is get a coach in. Or within a few months, we will be out of the CL, nowhere near winning the league and struggling to get top four.
I can't say I know much about what goes on in football clubs behind closed doors but aren't there are a team of coaches headed up by Rodgers anyways?
I remember reading that there are more than a few managers that don't even make it onto the training ground very often. Rodgers doesn't strike me as being one of those, but still, he can't do everything on his own.
So bringing in someone to do some more specialist one on one style coaching or whatever with the defenders doesn't seem too out of whack. As to whether that is what is needed or a good idea at all, I've no idea, so I can't really argue for or against it.
Perhaps the tone of the thread is implying that this 'defensive coach' is coming in at too senior a level and impacting Rodgers influence over the team. That clearly is wrong. Rodgers needs to be the one calling the shots.
I remember reading that there are more than a few managers that don't even make it onto the training ground very often. Rodgers doesn't strike me as being one of those, but still, he can't do everything on his own.
So bringing in someone to do some more specialist one on one style coaching or whatever with the defenders doesn't seem too out of whack. As to whether that is what is needed or a good idea at all, I've no idea, so I can't really argue for or against it.
Perhaps the tone of the thread is implying that this 'defensive coach' is coming in at too senior a level and impacting Rodgers influence over the team. That clearly is wrong. Rodgers needs to be the one calling the shots.
I'm pretty sure he never had a specialist defensive coach.
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