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Dominoes two for Tuesday so.
A half decent keeper and a world class DM and we would not be having these problems.
Where's Steve Clarke these days?
Serious question btw.
Serious question btw.
Three one. I don't want to discuss strikers or attacking fucking midfielders anymore until we can keep a clean bastard sheet. Last season we'd grab early goals and smash people on the counter. People are smart to us now and we don't have the world class ability of Luis to turn a game on it's head with a moment of brilliance anymore. Brodge has been and will continue to be great for us, but part of that is knowing his limitations. His current staff and set up any coach out defence for shit. From keeper to back four and even Gerrard as DM is shit at the moment.
Still very early in the season and it's still a very new team, but we can only cling on to that for so long.
Still very early in the season and it's still a very new team, but we can only cling on to that for so long.
I would suggest it's not the players. I'm now thinking it's Rodgers and his team. CB's have gone to shit since he came in, and we don't play with a DM as the messiah can't be moved.
It's like Rodgers has gone a bit kevin keegan style, all out attack and fuck the defence. It's ok when you've got a Suarez that can unpick most every lock, but when you haven't and you can't get that first goal - you're fucked.
I don't think it's the players, Rodgers has got to sort himself out or something out the back out, to make this team, not just the defenders, be able to defend.
Then we've got the other problem, that at the moment, without Suarez, we look utterly devoid of ideas of how to break down a defence even with 70+% possession in and around it.
It's like Rodgers has gone a bit kevin keegan style, all out attack and fuck the defence. It's ok when you've got a Suarez that can unpick most every lock, but when you haven't and you can't get that first goal - you're fucked.
I don't think it's the players, Rodgers has got to sort himself out or something out the back out, to make this team, not just the defenders, be able to defend.
Then we've got the other problem, that at the moment, without Suarez, we look utterly devoid of ideas of how to break down a defence even with 70+% possession in and around it.
I just can't wrap my head around that moment where Lovren charged out 30 yards. We were playing a back three with him in the middle, and West Ham had just won the ball and were looking to push forward.
So Lovren decides to abandon his position and sprint forward 30 yards to try and win it, leaving us with Skrtel on one far side, and Sakho at the other far side, with the middle CB area now vacant. West Ham easily pass around Lovren's advances and create a dangerous counter.
Like I said, David Luiz has more positional sense than that, I simply can't fathom how Lovren thought that would be a good idea with our wingbacks also pushed forward.
So Lovren decides to abandon his position and sprint forward 30 yards to try and win it, leaving us with Skrtel on one far side, and Sakho at the other far side, with the middle CB area now vacant. West Ham easily pass around Lovren's advances and create a dangerous counter.
Like I said, David Luiz has more positional sense than that, I simply can't fathom how Lovren thought that would be a good idea with our wingbacks also pushed forward.
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lovern certainly doesn't look a 20m centre back and sahko at 17m is laughable . i don't think there is anyone in our club who has a clue about the defensive side of the game .
Sakho will be this, Lovren will be that... early days yada yada yada... but things are no different to when Agger and Skrtel were starting. Arguably, they're worse.
I wanted to throttle Sakho when he played that pass in the box to Skrtel.
But it's not just him. It's all of them. There is no organization, confidence, composure... no nothing. We're beyond the point of singling out individuals now. It's the managers fault. This has been a persistent problem throughout his tenure, he's thrown a shit ton of money at it and there still appears to be no end in sight.
Last season was great but it's gone now and Rodgers needs to show he can take things to the next level and create some stability. If he can't stop the team conceding comical goals every match... well, that isn't going to happen.
I wanted to throttle Sakho when he played that pass in the box to Skrtel.
But it's not just him. It's all of them. There is no organization, confidence, composure... no nothing. We're beyond the point of singling out individuals now. It's the managers fault. This has been a persistent problem throughout his tenure, he's thrown a shit ton of money at it and there still appears to be no end in sight.
Last season was great but it's gone now and Rodgers needs to show he can take things to the next level and create some stability. If he can't stop the team conceding comical goals every match... well, that isn't going to happen.
Keni is bang on. Last season bought Brodge a shit load of breathing space and credit. But, teams know how to play us now, and with no Luis and a seriously leaky defence, he is gonna struggle to cut the mustard with the big boys. It's all well and good talking the talk and having the swagger he has at the moment, but sometimes the right thing to do is to acknowledge a FUCKING GLARING WEAKNESS and tackle it. Out freakishly high goal count last season got us out of jail last season, but I don't think we will score anywhere near that this season. So accept your weakness Brodge and get a decent defensive coach in. Steve Clarke would do a great job. The team is bigger than the individual, as he's often reminded us, so he should swallow his pride and do the right thing.
Just look at what Ming, Moreno, Sakho and Lovren have cost, so it's not like we haven't had the funds. He's either bought badly or can't coach them. It's hardly fucking knee jerk as it's been over a season now.
I'm tired of bricking my fucking pants every time the likes or Villa or an Allardyce team attacks. It's pathetic. Fucking pathetic.
The odd defensive frailty, yeah sure, but this is a joke. I shudder to think what Madrid are going to do to us.
Just look at what Ming, Moreno, Sakho and Lovren have cost, so it's not like we haven't had the funds. He's either bought badly or can't coach them. It's hardly fucking knee jerk as it's been over a season now.
I'm tired of bricking my fucking pants every time the likes or Villa or an Allardyce team attacks. It's pathetic. Fucking pathetic.
The odd defensive frailty, yeah sure, but this is a joke. I shudder to think what Madrid are going to do to us.
Playing 3 new defenders is asking for trouble though isn't it?
We're unorganized and there isn't any protection from the midfield.
With Allen and Hendo in there you get that. But now we're just run, passed and dribbled past.
Gerrard made Downing look like Messi in the first 20 mins.
Lucas and Stevie should never play a game next to each other again.
We're unorganized and there isn't any protection from the midfield.
With Allen and Hendo in there you get that. But now we're just run, passed and dribbled past.
Gerrard made Downing look like Messi in the first 20 mins.
Lucas and Stevie should never play a game next to each other again.
A coach is a coach. He either knows how to coach the whole team, coherently, or he doesn't. Hiving off responsibility to someone else is the beginning of the end. Keegan and Fazackerly brought in Lawrenson; admittedly that was a crazy choice, but you can't admit you can't figure out an essential part of how to play the game. If you can't coach part of the team, you can't coach.
He has to deal with it, plain and simple. If he's the coach, he has to coach them, and be responsible for the results. Remember when Ged started bringing in Rushie to work with the forwards? Another example of how misguided it is. And in purely political terms: if a defensive coach was brought in and things improved, Rodgers would never recover, in terms of reputation, from being the man who needs a defensive coach. And he only took the job when he was assured he wouldn't have his power diminished. So theoretically and practically, it's a non-starter as far as I'm concerned.
Quite. A defensive coach would be at odds with Rodgers. You bring someone in and immediately their tack would be to alter how you're set up. You can't bring someone in to make us defend better and not expect there to have to be some form of compromise of your own thinking.
Rodgers needs to do that himself, he needs to learn how to make us difficult to beat, not just in terms of our usual attacking verve, but in terms of being difficult to break down. The pressing game doesn't work forever, you need to be able to play well when you don't have the ball and be rigid and disciplined when you have to be. Two things we seriously lack.
Rodgers needs to do that himself, he needs to learn how to make us difficult to beat, not just in terms of our usual attacking verve, but in terms of being difficult to break down. The pressing game doesn't work forever, you need to be able to play well when you don't have the ball and be rigid and disciplined when you have to be. Two things we seriously lack.
I don't think he honestly does. His style of play doesn't really involve defending, it seems to focus on having the ball and making things happen when we have the ball. When we don't have the ball, around our box, seems to be like non-concept, like it could never/should never happen.
I guess it comes down to whether would we rather win every game 5-4 or win them all 1-0. If we can get winning, even with a fucking proper ropey defence, then a win is a win. You'd have 'thought' that the 1-0 route is easier, as every fucker knows how to park the bus and get the odd 1 goal, but it's much harder to score a boatload every game. Mourinho has made a living out of it.
Sorry Macca. Can't agree with that. In each position there are subtleties that most managers would not be expected to know. Whether it's how or where to move at a certain time, on the ball skills, heading skills, goalkeeping skills (an obvious one of course), tricks to win FKs as a defender/midfielder/attacker etc. etc. Whilst the manager may be great at tactics / formations / substitutions / opposition assessment-analysis / man management and so on, he still needs a team behind him to coach and improve those players as individuals as well integrating and playing as a team.
AS above. It doesn't have to conflict. Rodgers has the overall plan / tactics / formations and it's up to the defensive coach to instruct the players as how best to integrate into those plans so they can perform optimally for each formation and tactic being implemented on the day.
Macca is spot on. The coach is the coach. Chelsea didn't win the league last season because they didn't score enough goals. To solve the problem Mourinho didn't bring in an attacking coach he brought in better attackers. Nobody accused Mourinho last season of being unable to coach players how to score goals he just didn't have adequate resources.
Where would this defensive coach nonsense end? Specialist coaches for the flanks? For the diamond midfield? For a three-man midfield? The only specialist coaching role that is required is the goalkeeping coach.
Where would this defensive coach nonsense end? Specialist coaches for the flanks? For the diamond midfield? For a three-man midfield? The only specialist coaching role that is required is the goalkeeping coach.
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