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[quote author=keniget link=topic=41918.msg1176125#msg1176125 date=1284710326]
I've always liked N'Gog.

Thought he was garbage last night, but can't argue with two goals.
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Seconded.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41918.msg1176216#msg1176216 date=1284721139]
Im warming to Ngog. Goals will do that.
Hes better'n Carlton Cole.
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Not when he's on the ball mind.

Actually we need to play well around him making sure he doesn't get a touch (because it's often bad) untill it's finishing-time.

As he's a fine finisher.
 
His all round game does need work, but don't act as though it's a hopeless cause.

He put himself about very well in the second half against Arsenal and he has showcased reasonable array of tricks and flicks to indicate that he's more than just someone who can thrash at a ball when it falls in front of him near the goal.

He definitely thrives on confidence and hopefully he'll find a way to make that stick so he doesn't have as many ups and downs.
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=41918.msg1176193#msg1176193 date=1284719099]
He's clearly a confidence player, like most.

He was awful until the penalty, he scored it and suddenly looked a different player, his touch improved, his passing was better and he looked more of a threat. When he's good, he's alright, but the problem is when he's bad, he's awful.

Let's not get carried away, yeah he's scored 6/7 goals, which is great, but look at who he's scored them against. I just fear a few goals and good performances will paper the cracks and kid everyone into thinking we don't need another striker in January, which we desperately do.
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This. x 100
 
What I struggle to understand is the knocking he is getting.

He cost us £1.5m. It wasn't his fault we couldn't afford the right back up striker for Torres for the right money. He's never going to be as good as Torres but frankly (and this will change) his attitude and demeanour have been better than Nando's so far and so have his results. Without his goals we'd potentially be out of the Europa League already.

There's not many world beaters who cost £1.5m are there. He's a back up striker who has improved, and as said previously is scoring goals freely in the games where we don't want Torres to play. These performances are also adding to his value, so that if the time comes where we have new owners and can afford more accomplished strikers we will at the very least get more back than we paid for him.

In short, in our current situation that allows us to protect Torres for the league but also allows us to progress in cup competitions he if continues. What's not to like?
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=41918.msg1176251#msg1176251 date=1284723273]
What I struggle to understand is the knocking he is getting.

He cost us £1.5m. It wasn't his fault we couldn't afford the right back up striker for Torres for the right money. He's never going to be as good as Torres but frankly (and this will change) his attitude and demeanour have been better than Nando's so far and so have his results. Without his goals we'd potentially be out of the Europa League already.

There's not many world beaters who cost £1.5m are there. He's a back up striker who has improved, and as said previously is scoring goals freely in the games where we don't want Torres to play. These performances are also adding to his value, so that if the time comes where we have new owners and can afford more accomplished strikers we will at the very least get more back than we paid for him.

In short, in our current situation that allows us to protect Torres for the league but also allows us to progress in cup competitions he if continues. What's not to like?
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Pure common sense above. You don't need to be an all round player to be a striker. He's cheap, delivers, and has a good attittude. I just fear for the big games, like the chance he missed versus city. You don't get many of them at that level. That said, he's our Europa League number one. Think Neil mellor, but thinner
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=41918.msg1176251#msg1176251 date=1284723273]
What I struggle to understand is the knocking he is getting.

He cost us £1.5m. It wasn't his fault we couldn't afford the right back up striker for Torres for the right money. He's never going to be as good as Torres but frankly (and this will change) his attitude and demeanour have been better than Nando's so far and so have his results. Without his goals we'd potentially be out of the Europa League already.

There's not many world beaters who cost £1.5m are there. He's a back up striker who has improved, and as said previously is scoring goals freely in the games where we don't want Torres to play. These performances are also adding to his value, so that if the time comes where we have new owners and can afford more accomplished strikers we will at the very least get more back than we paid for him.

In short, in our current situation that allows us to protect Torres for the league but also allows us to progress in cup competitions he if continues. What's not to like?
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No one's having a go at him. Just being candid about his limitations, and thats the fact that he cannot be relied upon as our 2nd choice striker, and no one is saying that's his fault.

What's not to like is the possibility of Torres getting injured again and us only having N'gog to rely upon.
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=41918.msg1176272#msg1176272 date=1284725082]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=41918.msg1176251#msg1176251 date=1284723273]
What I struggle to understand is the knocking he is getting.

He cost us £1.5m. It wasn't his fault we couldn't afford the right back up striker for Torres for the right money. He's never going to be as good as Torres but frankly (and this will change) his attitude and demeanour have been better than Nando's so far and so have his results. Without his goals we'd potentially be out of the Europa League already.

There's not many world beaters who cost £1.5m are there. He's a back up striker who has improved, and as said previously is scoring goals freely in the games where we don't want Torres to play. These performances are also adding to his value, so that if the time comes where we have new owners and can afford more accomplished strikers we will at the very least get more back than we paid for him.

In short, in our current situation that allows us to protect Torres for the league but also allows us to progress in cup competitions he if continues. What's not to like?
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No one's having a go at him. Just being candid about his limitations, and thats the fact that he cannot be relied upon as our 2nd choice striker, and no one is saying that's his fault.

What's not to like is the possibility of Torres getting injured again and us only having N'gog to rely upon.
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if torres gets injuried it's the responsibility of the entire squad to pick up the slack, not just ngog
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=41918.msg1176251#msg1176251 date=1284723273]
There's not many world beaters who cost £1.5m are there.
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Not unless you catch them early. We can hope Shelvey, Suso and Sterling go that route. Ngog was certainly a possibility. It looks like he's making decent enough progress.
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=41918.msg1176251#msg1176251 date=1284723273]
What I struggle to understand is the knocking he is getting.

He cost us £1.5m. It wasn't his fault we couldn't afford the right back up striker for Torres for the right money. He's never going to be as good as Torres but frankly (and this will change) his attitude and demeanour have been better than Nando's so far and so have his results. Without his goals we'd potentially be out of the Europa League already.

There's not many world beaters who cost £1.5m are there. He's a back up striker who has improved, and as said previously is scoring goals freely in the games where we don't want Torres to play. These performances are also adding to his value, so that if the time comes where we have new owners and can afford more accomplished strikers we will at the very least get more back than we paid for him.

In short, in our current situation that allows us to protect Torres for the league but also allows us to progress in cup competitions he if continues. What's not to like?
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Agree with this.
 
I suspect the knocking ngog recieves is because people want another torres (who doesn't mind sitting on the bench when the real torres is fit).

each to their own, I personally want someone who can actually give proper service to the torres we already have on our books.
 
He ridiculously inconsistent, he reminds me of Trezeguet. Can head, shoot, decent pace, some skill but seems to forget how to do these things for 95% of the game.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=41918.msg1176141#msg1176141 date=1284712473]
I really don't know what to make of N'Gog. Most of his game time this season he's been pretty shite in all areas, but then he's coming up with goals and is producing some lovely touches that i wouldn't of thought him capable of.

Jury still out.
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This.

I wanted him gone - I hold my hands up, I did, I really really did - however he's done pretty much everything asked of him so far this season. If he stands around and does fuck all - but scores in every game, I'll take that. The penalty was very cooly put away when the pressure was on last night and as for the second, IMO it was better than Lucas'. Great piece of dribbling in the box, got the luck his skill deserved and then put it away in a manner that, had that beem Torres, we'd all have been jizzing over.

Not 100% convinced but he'll get my full support until he proves he doesn't deserve it from now on.
 
Ngog has the 2 most important attributes of a striker ie. Pace and finishing ability.

Say what you want about him but he is getting the job done in Torres' absence. He is young and still learning his trade in difficult circumstances. The lad has great mental strength. Kudos to him!
 
[quote author=refugee link=topic=41918.msg1176425#msg1176425 date=1284746892]
He ridiculously inconsistent, he reminds me of Trezeguet. Can head, shoot, decent pace, some skill but seems to forget how to do these things for 95% of the game.
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Are you taking the piss? Trezeguet scored 229 goals in 419 games! If that's the kind of 'inconsistency' N'gog is likely to show, he should be playing every week.
 
I fear he's not talking about the Trezeguet of old, but rather the one at Hercules now.

(It was lovely watching Mascher's team lose btw)
 
I don't know what to make of N'gog.

I'm trying my best to withhold judgement, but he's been worthy of praise so far this season. Well done David.
 
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=41918.msg1176174#msg1176174 date=1284717267]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41918.msg1176172#msg1176172 date=1284716210]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41918.msg1176166#msg1176166 date=1284715532]
if you're going to praise n'gog then do so but there's no need to knock babel whilst doing so. n'gog played through the middle and scored, the last time babel played through the middle he scored. how would n'gog do on the left or right wing?

babel preferred position is as a striker, he said so himself when he first joined but has been used as a winger, he isn't a winger and never claimed to be and before someone chimes in with 'he played as a winger for ajax' he didn't, he played as a left sided forward, there's a huge difference between the two.
I'll also add henry was rubbish when utilised as a winger as well.
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He played wide in Holland, and does so for the National team too. He's played games more centrally in the League Cup and done shite, one goal through the middle doesn't mean he can do it every week. He had a good game last night mind, but N'Gog has shown he's a good instinctive finisher in the box despite his obvious shortcomings (and for the price, who can really complain?), Babel's proven hit and miss throughout his Liverpool career.
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I can count on my fingers the number of games Babel's played as a striker for us Mark. Too much is made of Babel's inability to make the most of his opportunities. I'd argue that he's hardly been given a chance at the position which he claims he's best at. And this is coming from someone who's hardly a big Babel fan.

His skillset is that of a striker and not a winger. It's intriguing to know what he could do at that position and we won't know it until he's given a shot there.
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I'm sure both Rafa & Hodgson know what Babel's capable of as a striker (from the training ground) so there is no need to play him there just to prove to the fans that he can't.
 
I think it was Mark(?) who said that N'gog would be good as a third choice striker. I think he will do well for now against lower league opposition and maybe in the Europa league against the smaller teams. He has potential and will improve over time.

However, I do have my doubts about him against bigger teams (I know, I know, he scored against Arse and Man U) but I would really like to see another striker brought in to cover Torres when his inevitable injuries strike. He should be better than N'gog, and would be perfect if he's as good as Torres. Obviously, that's not going to happen so N'gog < New Striker < Torres.
 
He did say that, and it's so obvious.

I think he's a decent striker, though to me a team should have 2 quality strikers and 2 decent back-ups.

I think Babel,Kuyt and Ngog could make decent back-up; but none are of the quality needed as either a complement to Torres or a replacement.
 
no doubt about it he's getting better and should play every thursday cup, carling cup and grandpa's back yard games ahead of torres.
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41918.msg1176431#msg1176431 date=1284747696]
Ngog has the 2 most important attributes of a striker ie. Pace and finishing ability.

Say what you want about him but he is getting the job done in Torres' absence. He is young and still learning his trade in difficult circumstances. The lad has great mental strength. Kudos to him!
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This. I think with club being so fucked we can all be a bit quick to poo poo things at the minute, Ngog is a prospect IMO and who knows with a few more goals and confidence he might well develop into something good.
 
Most of the games that Ngog has scored, we have won.

When that stops, I'd assume that's when he'll get most abuse.

Until then, his goals are buying him time.
 
His goals are buying him time? Apart from the fact that he's one of the best young strikers I can think of at any level, His goals are what he does... I doubt he's on borrowed time, what are the options? Go and spend 20million on someone? Who? And what hasn't been mentioned is his control. He can trap a ball as well as anyone in the squad. He shows great composure in the box too. No snatching at the ball. I think he could be very very good.
 
Nah Crump - he does seem a big headless and blaze away with obvious results at times. However I have to say that may just be youth and even in one year he seems to have come on a bomb in that regard. I wonder how much working with Torres is helping him ?
 
I got everyone standing near me at the Birmingham game calling me a thick nobhead for shouting to get Torres off and Ngog on after about half an hour. But then I am a real prick sometimes.
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41918.msg1176744#msg1176744 date=1284807946]
I got everyone standing near me at the Birmingham game calling me a thick nobhead for shouting to get Torres off and Ngog on after about half an hour. But then I am a real prick sometimes.
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If you had moved to the Birmingham end your views would have been appreciated more !
 
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