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David N'Gog - Does he have a future with us?

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All this talk about is X good enough and has Y been unfairly criticized etc got me thinking of one player I feel has been unfairly criticized - David N'Gog. His goal against Villa was very brave and showed good instinct imo. Also his assist for Maxi goal was composed, he didn't bottle in the situation and was able to pick the correct action.

Previously I have been underwhelmed and I haven't really seen any attributes that stand out. Then I had to slap myself as I think I've been(and many others) very unfair on the lad. Here are a few points I thought:

-Only 21 years old
-A tall guy so it may take longer for him to get to know how best to use and control his body.
-Has started to build up his physique, you can already tell the difference from last season.
-Mostly used as a sub in league matches, hard to get in groove.
-Used as a lone forward a lot of times which doesn't really suit him, yet at least. His hold up play has already improved though along with his physique.
-Now that I think about it there aren't really any attributes that bad to suggest he can't make it.

I feel he is worth giving time to develop and he might become a very good all-around forward one day. Anyone agree with me here?
 
He's been scoring regularly this year and at important times (first goals etc). His touch, strength, awareness and confidence are all on the up too. Definitely underrated by most.

At 1.5m, he was an absolute bargain and deserves more time and chances to continue his impressive progression.

I like him.
 
I've really warmed to Wash. He's inconsistent in terms of results, but not in terms of effort. He always tries his best, and looks particularly suited to playing in a 442. Great attitude - smiles a lot on the pitch, and does an incredible amount of running and closing down. And yes, he scores goals. He shouldn't be our second-choice striker, which is what he's been for the last 18 months or so, but I'd definitely keep him at the club if he's happy to stay. He's improved massively in the last year, and I can see him improving a lot more in future.
 
He's still young, was bought for buttons, hasn't made any noises about not starting regularly and scores goals when he's given a chance. I don't really see where the problem is to be honest.
 
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He's still young, was bought for buttons, hasn't made any noises about not starting regularly and scores goals when he's given a chance. I don't really see where the problem is to be honest.
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I think right now, he should be 3rd choice but due to 'issues', he's being forced to start games etc and his inexperience has shown. However, there's a lot of good there. He scores, he works hard for the team, and seems to actually be improving. I think he'll be with us for 3-4 years and if he hasn't improved enough to be a more influential member, he'll probably go start for a mid-level english team.
 
If we are going to play with one up front he is not really good enough to be second choice, as he is by necessity at the moment.
Third choice yes, but he's not going to want to hang about and do that is he?

If we are going to play with two up front then he's fine as back up.

Either way we need to find another striker.
 
Paying weekly with torres and building a rapport with him will undoubtedly improve his game. Also, I'm sure there are examples when a yong player is thrown in at the deep end and look a liability initially, but ultimately improve quicker and look the part.

I honestly believe roy is coaching him better and improving him.
 
Not really much to debate on this, most people would agree that hes not ready to be a first team regular or to lead the line on his own but he has been able to do an important job as a squad player this season. Hes much improved on last year but next season will be the real test of his future with us

Happy to have him in the squad and used for uefa games etc
 
I like his willingness to run the channels, press the defenders and show for the ball. He was bought for peanuts as many have alluded too and he has scored when called upon. He doesn't seem to have that 'killer instinct' in front of goal which is a worry but he is a fine squad player.
 
I think he'dscore more if he had more confidence in his own ability to score. He seems to try and get as close to goal as possible before shooting. He can be very clinical, he just needs to believe it
 
him and babel seem to be a good combination. because there's things ngog can do better than babel and also things babel does better than ngog.

however if you pair him with torres it'd just piss everyone off each time the ball went to ngog. there's nothing at all he can do even remotely as well as torres. so there'd be no real point to him being on the pitch.
 
He cost very little, he is still only 21, he has undoubtedly improved. I think he is our leading scorer this season ( admittedly only 2 in the league). I believe he has a future with us.
 
In a properly constituted squad N'Gog wouldn't be even second choice yet. He'd have been given time to develop the talent which I believe he does have, and wouldn't have copped the stick he sometimes takes. As it is, he's been thrown in the deep end and, while it hasn't always shown him to best advantage, I think he'll ultimately benefit from the experience. So yes, I think he has a future with us too.
 
I think he definitely has a future with us. As other people have said, perhaps he has been thrown in the deep end too soon, but to be fair he's improving and has a good goal return for a very young striker and is picking up bags of experience. Having said that, if we are to continue playing 442, I'd like to see Babel up alongside Torres.
 
We can't possibly have a team of Torres. He might never reach the status of a world class striker but as pointed out repeatedly by fellow members, he has time on his side and has been improving. Baring in mind he wasn't a regular and barely played 1st team football whilst at PSG before we snapped him up, what he has managed to achieved with us is no mean feat.
 
It's nice to see more realistic views on N'gog these days. I've always found it odd that he took so much stick for a young player.

If Pacheco had put in similar performances, and scored those goals, there's be jizz all over this forum.
 
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He's not good enough, and never will be.
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He's 21 and scoring regularly now. He's well off the finished article and not good enough to be second choice, but he's worked hard at his game and is improving, never moans and give his all. No one knows what he'll be like in 5 years time, so writing him off now seems well premature, he's got the physique, pace and finishing ability to potentially be a success. He's scored more goals this season than most of the strikers we've been linked with.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43092.msg1230435#msg1230435 date=1291800881]
He's not good enough, and never will be.
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He's 21 and scoring regularly now. He's well off the finished article and not good enough to be second choice, but he's worked hard at his game and is improving, never moans and give his all. No one knows what he'll be like in 5 years time, so writing him off now seems well premature, he's got the physique, pace and finishing ability to potentially be a success. He's scored more goals this season than most of the strikers we've been linked with.
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physique and pace? are we talking about n'gog?
 
I like him.

Don't know if he'll ever make it but his goal against Villa showed a new side of him.

Courage.

Can he add a few more goals like that, improve his overall play and he could turn into a rather splendid little squad-player for years to come, with potential to take it even further.
 
I'm more than happy to have David stay. He scores regulalry when played and his game is imprving immensely.
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43092.msg1230491#msg1230491 date=1291807842]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43092.msg1230435#msg1230435 date=1291800881]
He's not good enough, and never will be.
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He's 21 and scoring regularly now. He's well off the finished article and not good enough to be second choice, but he's worked hard at his game and is improving, never moans and give his all. No one knows what he'll be like in 5 years time, so writing him off now seems well premature, he's got the physique, pace and finishing ability to potentially be a success. He's scored more goals this season than most of the strikers we've been linked with.
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physique and pace? are we talking about n'gog?
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Yes we are. And I get the feeling you're about to bring Babel into this debate....
 
Whenever we're 1-0 up at Anfield and he's starting, its usually a fair bet that he's scored, which is always a plus.

Problem with him is that he seems a bit withdrawn at times, the ability with the football, decent pace, and pretty neat finishing are all there. If he could put himself about a bit more and really become a nuisance, he'd improve tenfold and we'd have a real player on our hands.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=43092.msg1230495#msg1230495 date=1291808311]
I like him.

Don't know if he'll ever make it but his goal against Villa showed a new side of him.

Courage.

Can he add a few more goals like that, improve his overall play and he could turn into a rather splendid little squad-player for years to come, with potential to take it even further.
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He's always had the courage though; he was like the reverse of Babel...

I don't think either will be able to make the grade, but we look to be definitely making a profit on N'gog..even if that's small consolation.
 
Does he have a future with us? Well it depends on our ambition. If we hope to be challenging for the title anytime soon then the answer is no because we'll need better players.
 
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=43092.msg1230516#msg1230516 date=1291809855]
Does he have a future with us? Well it depends on our ambition. If we hope to be challenging for the title anytime soon then the answer is no because we'll need better players.
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He's one of the few potential matchwinners in our squad. It would be madness to move him on at this stage.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=43092.msg1230514#msg1230514 date=1291809586]
He's not really fast, but he's definitely got the physique. He's bigger than Babel and Torres, isn't he?
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Perhaps taller but not bigger I'd say.

Babel's legs resembles two firmly build Canadian Redwoods. And he's got a massive arse as well.

Build almost like an Usain Bolt or Ben Johnson.
 
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=43092.msg1230514#msg1230514 date=1291809586]
He's not really fast, but he's definitely got the physique. He's bigger than Babel and Torres, isn't he?
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Perhaps taller but not bigger I'd say.

Babel's legs resembles two firmly build Canadian Redwoods. And he's got a massive arse as well.

Build almost like an Usain Bolt or Ben Johnson.
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There's no doubt Babel is stronger than Ngog.
 
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