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Yeah, it really is disgusting. Barca could have tried to rise above it all and instead they just descended to Madrid's level, perhaps lower. These are clear cases of simulation, I don't know why there can't be action taken against them.
When the "greatest" team in the world constantly resorts to this kind of play cause it isn't a one off, some players on there team have done it forever, you have to question their status. They need this to win, they feel it so I believe it. Can't be considered one of the greatest teams of all time. And yes its sensationalist but its what they deserve. Hope Pedro, Alves, Villa and Busquets are suspended for the next game, which of course won't happen. But thats how simulation should be punished not a yellow card once every 2000 times it happens.
I don't think that a red card is a ridiculous decision. It was a dangerous challenge. The fact that Alves rolled around (which he does quite well) and made sure he got a red is a different matter.
He went in with a karate kick shin way off the ground with his studs showing. And he didn't get the ball. On another day he could've broken someones leg with a challenge like that.
So perhaps a little harsh given there wasn't much contact, but still understandable.
He went in with a karate kick shin way off the ground with his studs showing. And he didn't get the ball. On another day he could've broken someones leg with a challenge like that.
So perhaps a little harsh given there wasn't much contact, but still understandable.
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I don't think that a red card is a ridiculous decision. It was a dangerous challenge. The fact that Alves rolled around (which he does quite well) and made sure he got a red is a different matter.
He went in with a karate kick shin way off the ground with his studs showing. And he didn't get the ball. On another day he could've broken someones leg with a challenge like that.
So perhaps a little harsh given there wasn't much contact, but still understandable.
[/quote]There wasnt any contact.
I don't think that a red card is a ridiculous decision. It was a dangerous challenge. The fact that Alves rolled around (which he does quite well) and made sure he got a red is a different matter.
He went in with a karate kick shin way off the ground with his studs showing. And he didn't get the ball. On another day he could've broken someones leg with a challenge like that.
So perhaps a little harsh given there wasn't much contact, but still understandable.
[/quote]There wasnt any contact.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45137.msg1323536#msg1323536 date=1304038328]
Point still stands.
[/quote]Nah. He didnt play the man, he played the ball. He didnt attempt to touch Alves he attempted to win the ball. He won the ball, didnt touch the man.
Shite decision.
I'll leave it at that though, as i dont really think you are ever going to see it that way.
Point still stands.
[/quote]Nah. He didnt play the man, he played the ball. He didnt attempt to touch Alves he attempted to win the ball. He won the ball, didnt touch the man.
Shite decision.
I'll leave it at that though, as i dont really think you are ever going to see it that way.
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Did he touch him?
Did he?
Jesus Christ, who am I going to support in the final?
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Pah!... Who gives a shit, one act of cuntishness doesn't outweigh a lifetime of cuntishness, nor a club of cuntishness.
COME ON BARCA!!!
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Did he touch him?
Did he?
Jesus Christ, who am I going to support in the final?
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Pah!... Who gives a shit, one act of cuntishness doesn't outweigh a lifetime of cuntishness, nor a club of cuntishness.
COME ON BARCA!!!
I understand that you're "Old School" Oncy in the sense that you love a good, blood and thunder challenge, who doesn't? But I think it's understandable why a red card was given. It was harsh, but it was a dangerous tackle. When I first saw it in full flow I thought it was horrific. It was always going to be at the very least a yellow in a game in Europe and with these fellas rolling around on the floor. You don't get away with them tackles anymore. For better or worse.
Just noticed you said that you'd leave it at that to Keni. I'm in his camp so I'll accept the same applies to me ha.
It was a poor tackle which deserved a yellow (even though he did win the ball and make no contact with Alves whatsover; it was high and studs were showing) but it's understandable why the ref was fooled into giving Pepe a red card because of the world class play-acting of Dani Alves and the Barca players rushing in around him to intimidate. Again, a shame Barca would stoop so low to win this way. Over recent years, they usually get inexplicable decisions go their way without cheating.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45137.msg1323527#msg1323527 date=1304037554]
I don't think that a red card is a ridiculous decision. It was a dangerous challenge. The fact that Alves rolled around (which he does quite well) and made sure he got a red is a different matter.
He went in with a karate kick shin way off the ground with his studs showing. And he didn't get the ball. On another day he could've broken someones leg with a challenge like that.
So perhaps a little harsh given there wasn't much contact, but still understandable.
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Ken, you suggested yesterday that Barca's behaviour was "fair enough".
HAVE A LOOK AT THAT BLOODY VIDEO.
I don't think that a red card is a ridiculous decision. It was a dangerous challenge. The fact that Alves rolled around (which he does quite well) and made sure he got a red is a different matter.
He went in with a karate kick shin way off the ground with his studs showing. And he didn't get the ball. On another day he could've broken someones leg with a challenge like that.
So perhaps a little harsh given there wasn't much contact, but still understandable.
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Ken, you suggested yesterday that Barca's behaviour was "fair enough".
HAVE A LOOK AT THAT BLOODY VIDEO.
Simulations that bad should be automatic reds in and of themselves. Barca should have been two men down, easy. It's a shit state of affairs when (Schalke excluded, 'cause I knew they weren't likely to win) Real was the only team remaining in the competition that I could even halfway support.
And Mascherano again looking a right cunt, in the ref's face.
Barca are an absolute disgrace. I don't even care that Mourinho made a complete fool of himself in the post-match presser, Barca are a joke.
And Mascherano again looking a right cunt, in the ref's face.
Barca are an absolute disgrace. I don't even care that Mourinho made a complete fool of himself in the post-match presser, Barca are a joke.
Yep. Any indication if they're gonna do anything about the simulation and general twatishness?
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Like i said yesterday. There was ZERO contact, it wasnt even a foul.
Disgrace.
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The ref had no way to see that ... and would you really be happy with football if every player went in the way Pepe went there? It was dangerous ...
As I said yesterday, he's a cunt and plays for a cunt, who manages a cunt of a team. I hope they cry as much as Mourinho still cries about Luis Garcia's goal. Fuck Madrid.
Like i said yesterday. There was ZERO contact, it wasnt even a foul.
Disgrace.
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The ref had no way to see that ... and would you really be happy with football if every player went in the way Pepe went there? It was dangerous ...
As I said yesterday, he's a cunt and plays for a cunt, who manages a cunt of a team. I hope they cry as much as Mourinho still cries about Luis Garcia's goal. Fuck Madrid.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=45137.msg1323536#msg1323536 date=1304038328]
Point still stands.
[/quote]Nah. He didnt play the man, he played the ball. He didnt attempt to touch Alves he attempted to win the ball. He won the ball, didnt touch the man.
Shite decision.
I'll leave it at that though, as i dont really think you are ever going to see it that way.
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But you're (deliberatly maybe?) leaving out a crucial piece of the debate Oncy.
He didn't touch him because Alves was quick enough to get his leg out of the way before Pepe snapped the fucking thing in two.
What should Alves have done, left his leg there and takend the 'tackle' so the referee could see the actual damage Pepe would have inflicted with his lunge?
It was reckless.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45137.msg1323536#msg1323536 date=1304038328]
Point still stands.
[/quote]Nah. He didnt play the man, he played the ball. He didnt attempt to touch Alves he attempted to win the ball. He won the ball, didnt touch the man.
Shite decision.
I'll leave it at that though, as i dont really think you are ever going to see it that way.
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But you're (deliberatly maybe?) leaving out a crucial piece of the debate Oncy.
He didn't touch him because Alves was quick enough to get his leg out of the way before Pepe snapped the fucking thing in two.
What should Alves have done, left his leg there and takend the 'tackle' so the referee could see the actual damage Pepe would have inflicted with his lunge?
It was reckless.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45137.msg1323537#msg1323537 date=1304038519]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45137.msg1323536#msg1323536 date=1304038328]
Point still stands.
[/quote]Nah. He didnt play the man, he played the ball. He didnt attempt to touch Alves he attempted to win the ball. He won the ball, didnt touch the man.
Shite decision.
I'll leave it at that though, as i dont really think you are ever going to see it that way.
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But you're (deliberatly maybe?) leaving out a crucial piece of the debate Oncy.
He didn't touch him because Alves was quick enough to get his leg out of the way before Pepe snapped the fucking thing in two.
What should Alves have done, left his leg there and takend the 'tackle' so the referee could see the actual damage Pepe would have inflicted with his lunge?
It was reckless.
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So it was minimum yellow card? and a 'harsh red' (as I think most people would agree) that was given probably due to Alves' reaction?
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=45137.msg1323536#msg1323536 date=1304038328]
Point still stands.
[/quote]Nah. He didnt play the man, he played the ball. He didnt attempt to touch Alves he attempted to win the ball. He won the ball, didnt touch the man.
Shite decision.
I'll leave it at that though, as i dont really think you are ever going to see it that way.
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But you're (deliberatly maybe?) leaving out a crucial piece of the debate Oncy.
He didn't touch him because Alves was quick enough to get his leg out of the way before Pepe snapped the fucking thing in two.
What should Alves have done, left his leg there and takend the 'tackle' so the referee could see the actual damage Pepe would have inflicted with his lunge?
It was reckless.
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So it was minimum yellow card? and a 'harsh red' (as I think most people would agree) that was given probably due to Alves' reaction?
They're all twats. Should have been a game of 8 v 7 or something like that for all the cuntish shit that deserved carding.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45137.msg1323537#msg1323537 date=1304038519]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45137.msg1323536#msg1323536 date=1304038328]
Point still stands.
[/quote]Nah. He didnt play the man, he played the ball. He didnt attempt to touch Alves he attempted to win the ball. He won the ball, didnt touch the man.
Shite decision.
I'll leave it at that though, as i dont really think you are ever going to see it that way.
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But you're (deliberatly maybe?) leaving out a crucial piece of the debate Oncy.
He didn't touch him because Alves was quick enough to get his leg out of the way before Pepe snapped the fucking thing in two.
What should Alves have done, left his leg there and takend the 'tackle' so the referee could see the actual damage Pepe would have inflicted with his lunge?
It was reckless.
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So it was minimum yellow card? and a 'harsh red' (as I think most people would agree) that was given probably due to Alves' reaction?
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Well I've seen similar tackles receive reds and yellows as I'm sure we all have. So it's arguable really.
But to defend it's recklessness with "he didn't touch him" is pointless.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45137.msg1323537#msg1323537 date=1304038519]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45137.msg1323536#msg1323536 date=1304038328]
Point still stands.
[/quote]Nah. He didnt play the man, he played the ball. He didnt attempt to touch Alves he attempted to win the ball. He won the ball, didnt touch the man.
Shite decision.
I'll leave it at that though, as i dont really think you are ever going to see it that way.
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But you're (deliberatly maybe?) leaving out a crucial piece of the debate Oncy.
He didn't touch him because Alves was quick enough to get his leg out of the way before Pepe snapped the fucking thing in two.
What should Alves have done, left his leg there and takend the 'tackle' so the referee could see the actual damage Pepe would have inflicted with his lunge?
It was reckless.
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So it was minimum yellow card? and a 'harsh red' (as I think most people would agree) that was given probably due to Alves' reaction?
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Well I've seen similar tackles receive reds and yellows as I'm sure we all have. So it's arguable really.
But to defend it's recklessness with "he didn't touch him" is pointless.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45137.msg1323604#msg1323604 date=1304057289]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45137.msg1323537#msg1323537 date=1304038519]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45137.msg1323536#msg1323536 date=1304038328]
Point still stands.
[/quote]Nah. He didnt play the man, he played the ball. He didnt attempt to touch Alves he attempted to win the ball. He won the ball, didnt touch the man.
Shite decision.
I'll leave it at that though, as i dont really think you are ever going to see it that way.
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But you're (deliberatly maybe?) leaving out a crucial piece of the debate Oncy.
He didn't touch him because Alves was quick enough to get his leg out of the way before Pepe snapped the fucking thing in two.
What should Alves have done, left his leg there and takend the 'tackle' so the referee could see the actual damage Pepe would have inflicted with his lunge?
It was reckless.
[/quote]
So it was minimum yellow card? and a 'harsh red' (as I think most people would agree) that was given probably due to Alves' reaction?
[/quote]
Well I've seen similar tackles receive reds and yellows as I'm sure we all have. So it's arguable really.
But to defend it's recklessness with "he didn't touch him" is pointless.
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Yeah the slowmo only confirms it was a stupid, dangerous challenge, worthy of at least a yellow. Alves is obviously a cheating fuck, but the referee's decision is understandable. Pepe is a ducking stupid lummox, and was a cert to fall prey to a sending off like this against Barca sooner or later with their capacity to make any challenge look nightmarish.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45137.msg1323604#msg1323604 date=1304057289]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45137.msg1323537#msg1323537 date=1304038519]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45137.msg1323536#msg1323536 date=1304038328]
Point still stands.
[/quote]Nah. He didnt play the man, he played the ball. He didnt attempt to touch Alves he attempted to win the ball. He won the ball, didnt touch the man.
Shite decision.
I'll leave it at that though, as i dont really think you are ever going to see it that way.
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But you're (deliberatly maybe?) leaving out a crucial piece of the debate Oncy.
He didn't touch him because Alves was quick enough to get his leg out of the way before Pepe snapped the fucking thing in two.
What should Alves have done, left his leg there and takend the 'tackle' so the referee could see the actual damage Pepe would have inflicted with his lunge?
It was reckless.
[/quote]
So it was minimum yellow card? and a 'harsh red' (as I think most people would agree) that was given probably due to Alves' reaction?
[/quote]
Well I've seen similar tackles receive reds and yellows as I'm sure we all have. So it's arguable really.
But to defend it's recklessness with "he didn't touch him" is pointless.
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Yeah the slowmo only confirms it was a stupid, dangerous challenge, worthy of at least a yellow. Alves is obviously a cheating fuck, but the referee's decision is understandable. Pepe is a ducking stupid lummox, and was a cert to fall prey to a sending off like this against Barca sooner or later with their capacity to make any challenge look nightmarish.
If you go in with an over the ball tackle like that you're asking for a red card. Whether there was contact or not is immaterial. The other player is entitled, if he can, to take his leg out of the way.
Is he entitled to feign that contact has been made though? I don't think there is the remotest debate about whether the laws require him to leave his leg where it will be hit.
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=45137.msg1323648#msg1323648 date=1304063290]
Is he entitled to feign that contact has been made though? I don't think there is the remotest debate about whether the laws require him to leave his leg where it will be hit.
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I agree he is not entitled to feign contact, but it was Pepe's over the ball tackle that got him sent off.
Is he entitled to feign that contact has been made though? I don't think there is the remotest debate about whether the laws require him to leave his leg where it will be hit.
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I agree he is not entitled to feign contact, but it was Pepe's over the ball tackle that got him sent off.
That's naive for someone who isn't wet behind the ears Jack. Do you really think that if Alves had just continued in a way that made it apparent no contact had been made Pepe would have got a red? Behave yourself.
Who knows? Under the rules he probably ought to have done.
BTW I'd still have taken Alves in a NY minute when we wound up signing Pennant instead.
BTW I'd still have taken Alves in a NY minute when we wound up signing Pennant instead.
go and read the rules for fouling, there doesn't HAVE to be contact. fouling isn't about the damage the foul does, it's about the reckless challenge.
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