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Fabio Capello is thinking about playing with three central defenders during the World Cup, BBC Sport understands.

The England boss is considering a move to 3-5-2 from 4-4-2 if Manchester City's Gareth Barry is forced out of the tournament by his ankle injury.

Capello has never played with three at the back since taking charge of the national squad in 2008.

England played a similar system under Steve McClaren in 2006, when they went down 2-0 away to Croatia.

"England's World Cup starts four weeks on Saturday and there is a chance they could start with three central defenders against the USA in Rustenburg [on 12 June]," reported BBC Radio 5 live's Ian Dennis.

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To my way of thinking you need to select your preferred system and the players best suited to deliver it

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"Capello has never played such a system with wing-backs in his time as manager, but I understand he will consider a change in formation if Barry doesn't recover from his injury.

"Capello spoke of his plans to members of England's '66 World Cup-winning side, who were inducted into football's Hall of Fame on Thursday.

"England played with three at the back during the ill-fated Euro 2008 qualifiers, but at least Capello has weeks rather than days to work on the system, which worked well during Italia '90."

A switch in formation would be a major change for the Italian, who has demonstrated his preference for 4-4-2 throughout his coaching career.

Four years ago England's deployment of a 3-5-2 formation ended disastrously against Croatia.

World Cup guide - England
Eduardo headed Croatia ahead in Zagreb, then Paul Robinson's air-kick after the ball bobbled on an uneven surface resulted in an own-goal for Gary Neville, with the Croats going on to win 2-0.

Capello sprang some surprises in his provisional 30-man squad for South Africa on Wednesday, calling up Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher who retired from international duty in 2007.

Fellow central defenders Rio Ferdinand and Ledley King have both proved vulnerable to injury in recent years, while some critics have suggested former England captain John Terry has not been always been at his best this season.

Barry played in eight of England's 10 World Cup qualifiers, and has won 20 of his 36 international caps under Capello. The midfielder was named in the provisional squad and will have a fitness check on 24 May.

Manchester City said on 7 May that his ankle injury would rule him out for four weeks.
 
Well none of the British media got it right when it came to the players Capello was going to pick. He tells them nothing in general so he's hardly likely to disclose his tactics, is he?
 
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=40249.msg1104823#msg1104823 date=1273846974]
Well none of the British media got it right when it came to the players Capello was going to pick. He tells them nothing in general so he's hardly likely to disclose his tactics, is he?
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Yep, sounds like bollocks. It'd also be suicide, or a big risk at the very least given he hasn't even tried it in the build up.
 
He came out of retirement cos he was asked to.

The reason he retired was to prolong his career, this way he's got the chance to play at the world cup, his last chance, without cutting short his career by playing shitloads of meaningless friendlies.
 
There are an awful lot of central defenders in that 30-man squad though. And only one right-back. What will he do if Magic is injured?
 
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=40249.msg1104823#msg1104823 date=1273846974]
Well none of the British media got it right when it came to the players Capello was going to pick. He tells them nothing in general so he's hardly likely to disclose his tactics, is he?
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What's that based on, Stu? As far as I could see there were few surprises in the 30.

Agree Capello's not likely to start handing out pointers to his eventual tactics though. I certainly would be surprised if he switched to three at the back this late in the day.
 
There's a multiverse of difference between a McClaren 352 and a Capello 352. If Capello decided to do it there's no reason why he couldn't make it work.
 
Disagree. It isn't his favoured way of playing and the players in his squad aren't used to it. I agree he'd be infinitely more capable than McClaren of making it work if anyone could, but I don't think it's a good idea to go changing horses in mid-stream like that.
 
He's a thoroughbred tactician. It doesn't have to be his "preferred style of play".

Of course, it's not ideal to change, but if he's weighed it up and thinks it's the best option, he'll show them how it works.

Wheras McClaren would just do it because he fancied himself as a bigshot and the players would be lost.
 
Well, assuming no injuries, a 3-5-2 might actually be quite decent.

Barry, Gerrard and Lampard midfield, Cole and Magic for the width.

Might work
 
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=40249.msg1104930#msg1104930 date=1273859843]
Well, assuming no injuries, a 3-5-2 might actually be quite decent.

Barry, Gerrard and Lampard midfield, Cole and Magic for the width.

Might work
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Cole is worldclass in that role. With a little less defensive responsibility, Magic may also be able to step it up.

Who then will partner Rooney? Joe Cole?

I assume the central 3 would still be Gerrard, Lampard and a defensive midfielder.

If England had a good DM and a good second striker, this may be worth a go.

I do hope that he does not play Carra, Terry and Ferdinand as the defenders...that back three would be painfully slow.
 
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=40249.msg1104930#msg1104930 date=1273859843]
Well, assuming no injuries, a 3-5-2 might actually be quite decent.

Barry, Gerrard and Lampard midfield, Cole and Magic for the width.

Might work
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Isn't the whole point that Barry's injured?

LOL at Oncy btw.
 
Yeah, but I've not really watched any other football this year, so I dunno who to put in instead.

*insert DM here*
 
Given Lennon has arguably stamped his wing wizardry on the side, I'd be surprised if he's not in the starting line-up come June. And there's no place for him in a 3-5-2.

That said, we've certainly got the fullbacks (turned wingbacks) in Cole and Johnson to make it work. It'd certainly give Gerrard more influnce than out left. Give Lennon or Joe Cole a free role in behind Rooney.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40249.msg1104878#msg1104878 date=1273853482]
What's that based on, Stu? As far as I could see there were few surprises in the 30.
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Well no one called Parker call up, most of the hacks had Hargreaves down for a call up.
No one knew about the Scholes approach until afterwards. The majority of the squad was settled, everyone knew that.
But the press did get a few wrong. Venebles, Hoddle & Sven all had their mates down Fleet Street who would be fed this info but as far as I can see Capello tells them fuck all.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40249.msg1104878#msg1104878 date=1273853482]
What's that based on, Stu? As far as I could see there were few surprises in the 30.
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Well no one called Parker call up, most of the hacks had Hargreaves down for a call up.
No one knew about the Scholes approach until afterwards. The majority of the squad was settled, everyone knew that.
But the press did get a few wrong. Venebles, Hoddle & Sven all had their mates down Fleet Street who would be fed this info but as far as I can see Capello tells them fuck all.
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The journos were almost demanding that Scott Parker be included.

I don't know what publications you've had your eye on, sir !
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40249.msg1104931#msg1104931 date=1273859951]
I heard a last minute plea from Fwank Lampard's ma convinced him to return.
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[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=40249.msg1104970#msg1104970 date=1273867240]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40249.msg1104878#msg1104878 date=1273853482]
What's that based on, Stu? As far as I could see there were few surprises in the 30.
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Well no one called Parker call up, most of the hacks had Hargreaves down for a call up.
No one knew about the Scholes approach until afterwards. The majority of the squad was settled, everyone knew that.
But the press did get a few wrong. Venebles, Hoddle & Sven all had their mates down Fleet Street who would be fed this info but as far as I can see Capello tells them fuck all.
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The journos were almost demanding that Scott Parker be included.

I don't know what publications you've had your eye on, sir !
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I didn't see any of them call it.
 
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=40249.msg1105019#msg1105019 date=1273874709]
[quote author=themn link=topic=40249.msg1104974#msg1104974 date=1273867441]
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=40249.msg1104970#msg1104970 date=1273867240]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40249.msg1104878#msg1104878 date=1273853482]
What's that based on, Stu? As far as I could see there were few surprises in the 30.
[/quote]

Well no one called Parker call up, most of the hacks had Hargreaves down for a call up.
No one knew about the Scholes approach until afterwards. The majority of the squad was settled, everyone knew that.
But the press did get a few wrong. Venebles, Hoddle & Sven all had their mates down Fleet Street who would be fed this info but as far as I can see Capello tells them fuck all.
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The journos were almost demanding that Scott Parker be included.

I don't know what publications you've had your eye on, sir !
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I didn't see any of them call it.
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Not my problem mate, they did, so knobs !
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40249.msg1105023#msg1105023 date=1273874901]
I've lost a bit of respect for Carragher because of his u-turn. Only a smidgeon mind but still.
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Is it really a u-turn? He said he'd never say never.
 
He was very vociferous when he 'packed' the international game in. Would he have answered England's call if there wasn't a World Cup looming?
 
Themn, people in the press said he had played well all season and was deserving of a call up but there was no predictions from anyone or stories from anyone in the media that he'd make it in ( I do realise he could still be cut ), the clamour was the Hargreaves story and in the end he didn't make it.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40249.msg1105025#msg1105025 date=1273875241]
He was very vociferous when he 'packed' the international game in. Would he have answered England's call if there wasn't a World Cup looming?
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I think he was vociferous with regard to defending his decision to idiots who called him unpatriotic etc. but I don't think he was making a big point with it.

Of course he wouldn't answer the call if there wasn't a world cup. I guess I don't see that as a problem.
 
ever since the days of Uncle Roy I have always had a soft spot for the 3-5-2 formation - its a refreshing change to the back four formation - when played well and with the right people it is fanstastic (a la Sammer in 96). England have th potential to play is really well, what with ferdiand as a libero and cole and magic and bombing wingbacks.
 
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=40249.msg1105027#msg1105027 date=1273875482]
Themn, people in the press said he had played well all season and was deserving of a call up but there was no predictions from anyone or stories from anyone in the media that he'd make it in ( I do realise he could still be cut ), the clamour was the Hargreaves story and in the end he didn't make it.
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Which was what I said.

In the end who actually gives a rat's dick ?

Chill, Winston.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40249.msg1105025#msg1105025 date=1273875241]
He was very vociferous when he 'packed' the international game in. Would he have answered England's call if there wasn't a World Cup looming?
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I think he was vociferous with regard to defending his decision to idiots who called him unpatriotic etc. but I don't think he was making a big point with it.

Of course he wouldn't answer the call if there wasn't a world cup. I guess I don't see that as a problem.
[/quote] Nor me. He will not be winning at big trophies at Liverpool and it's a decent chance to work under Capello. Given he wishes to go into management, the appeal of doing so is obvious.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=40249.msg1105036#msg1105036 date=1273876234]

Which was what I said.

In the end who actually gives a rat's dick ?

Chill, Winston.
[/quote]Sorry mate, took you up wrong.
 
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=40249.msg1105046#msg1105046 date=1273880775]
[quote author=themn link=topic=40249.msg1105036#msg1105036 date=1273876234]

Which was what I said.

In the end who actually gives a rat's dick ?

Chill, Winston.
[/quote]Sorry mate, took you up wrong.
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No worries, sir.
 
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