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Champions League qualifying - ouch

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http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/09/arsenal-fenerbahche-champions-league-playoff

It is conceivable that Fenerbahce could beat Arsenal to reach the group phase and then be kicked out of the competition, raising the question as to what would happen to Arsenal in that event. Might Arsène Wenger's team be granted a reprieve? Arsenal have the highest Uefa coefficient of any club in the play-off round.

Uefa would not answer the hypothetical question on Friday and it was easy to imagine them hoping for an Arsenal win to guard against the potentially troublesome situation of finding a replacement for a banned team. But there is precedent from the recent past, which even involved Fenerbahce and the Turkish league.

In 2011 Fenerbahce were withdrawn from the Champions League by their national federation, at the behest of Uefa, in the wake of the match-fixing scandal, which led Uefa, in accordance with their regulations, to promote the next best-placed club in the domestic league of the same association – Trabzonspor, who had finished as the runners-up to Fenerbahce in the previous season.

Besiktas finished behind Fenerbahce in third last season but they, too, face the threat of expulsion from Uefa competition because of their alleged involvement in match-fixing; like Fenerbahce, they await a final CAS ruling at the end of the month. Bursaspor were fourth in Turkey last season, meaning that they could yet be in line for promotion.

The legal minefield overshadowed a testing draw with difficult travel for Arsenal against the 18-times Turkish champions. The first-leg is scheduled for Wednesday 21 August at the 50,509-capacity Sukru Saracoglu stadium – one of Europe's most atmospheric venues and where Arsenal have won before in the Champions League. Wenger's team beat Fenerbahce 5-2 at the group stage in 2008-09.

Meanwhile:
Metalist Kharkiv, who finished second in the Ukrainian league behind Shakhtar Donetsk, also faces UEFA sanctions after CAS last month dismissed an appeal by the Ukrainian club’s sports director against a five-year ban from football. The Ukrainian federation had judged that Metalist’s 4-0 win against Karpaty Lviv in an April 2008 league match was fixed.

Metalist Vice President Konstantin Pivovarov confirmed that even if UEFA rules against the club, it is likely to appeal that verdict at CAS and try to continue in the competition.

But Metalist’s Champions League playoff opponents, Schalke, said they were still preparing for the clubs’ tie. “We’re expecting to play Metalist,” Schalke official Moritz Beckers-Schwarz said.

If Metalist is removed, its defeated third qualifying round opponent, PAOK Thessaloniki, could in theory be reinstated.
 
What a joke - how on earth do they can they let it get to a situation where the team is playing the games despite not knowing whether they're going to be allowed to stay in. Makes a mockery of the competition.
 
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs...might-already-champions-league-143346491.html

UEFA's usual policy in similar situations is to allow the most recently beaten team to qualify if a side has been thrown out of one of their competitions for whatever reason.

Celtic benefited from this in 2011 when they were parachuted into the Europa League group stage despite losing 3-1 on aggregate to Sion.

Sion were kicked out for fielding players in the tie that they'd signed while under a transfer ban.

In 2007, Partizan Belgrade beat Bosnian side Mostar 6-1 in the first leg of their UEFA Cup tie but were expelled due to crowd trouble by their fans. The Serbian club were allowed to play the return leg while their appeal was being processed, which they won 5-0, but their appeal was then rejected and Mostar were allowed to progress to the next round.

The one reason why it might not be such clear sailing for Arsenal is that Fenerbahce have already played in the Champions League this season.

They defeated Red Bull Salzburg 4-2 in the third qualifying round and the Austrian club could protest if Fenerbahce are eventually kicked out.

Salzberg are actually owned by the energy drinks company so there is no doubt they have some deep pockets and some top lawyers on the payroll who will look to exploit the situation.

However, with the draw for the Champions League due the day after the CAS ruling it is likely that UEFA would have no option but to put Arsenal in the group stage if Fenerbahce were kicked out. They'd then have to deal with Salzberg's issues in court as even if Arsenal win the tie, Fenerbahce's previous participation will remain an issue for them.

For now though, there is nothing Arsenal can do but play the match.

"We put the politics aside and Arsenal will concentrate on the football side," Arsenal official David Miles told The Associated Press after the draw. "We will keep in touch with UEFA."

Which is all well and good, of course, but it's nice to know that there may just be a lifeline there if they need it.
 
Fuck the Champions League.
The Milk/Worthington/Rumbelows/Littlewoods/Cocacola/Carling cup is where its at.
 
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