Decision rumoured to be made 12th Jan (dunno why)
Who's supposedly in the running?
Who do you want as CEO? Why?
Who's supposedly in the running?
Who do you want as CEO? Why?
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I really am concerned about FSG's stewardship. Three months before we have a CEO?
Holding onto Roy has already made season a write off and it didn't have to be this way. Fall of 2012 before we see CL Football again maybe? That's 2 more years. We didn't have to give up on 4th so easily this year. Silly FSG
Holding onto Roy has already made season a write off and it didn't have to be this way. Fall of 2012 before we see CL Football again maybe? That's 2 more years. We didn't have to give up on 4th so easily this year. Silly FSG
What are they meant to have done exactly that would have made it so simple for us to achieve a top four finish? It's easy to say with hindsight they should have immediately sacked Hodgson, but given where we are, and the competition, I think by the time that decision could have been justified, it was probably too late for us to think about 4th.
Everyone seems to think it is so easy, but in reality it's fairly difficult to secure a top level manager in January, and if you elect to select a temporary replacement, your options are even more limited. To those who say they should just pick Kenny, I think there's a significant amount of risk involved there that people are discounting.
Yes we are at a point where they can't afford to just do nothing, but that doesn't mean that any other choice could work, and if there was an appointment that could be made that would offer some stability beyond the next few months, they are right to attempt to find it even if requires some time than some temporary appointment.
Everyone seems to think it is so easy, but in reality it's fairly difficult to secure a top level manager in January, and if you elect to select a temporary replacement, your options are even more limited. To those who say they should just pick Kenny, I think there's a significant amount of risk involved there that people are discounting.
Yes we are at a point where they can't afford to just do nothing, but that doesn't mean that any other choice could work, and if there was an appointment that could be made that would offer some stability beyond the next few months, they are right to attempt to find it even if requires some time than some temporary appointment.
I am not sure what they are supposed to have done. But what they have done is to talk loudly and then dissapear completly. And while the trouble on the pitch have been clear, Roys press bullshit going on, key players more than ready to walk out, and fans boycotting the club they have done nothing.
This have led to that one third into the first transfer window we have no CEO calling the shots, a manager with no trust among players nor fans rumoured to get sacked every minute of the day to lead the team and a french lid who used to be scout at spurs in some undefined directors role. Add this to the rumour that they are reluctant to hire Kenny in an interim role as they are afraid what an eventual success will do to their future plans it is kind of living out your dream isnt it?
But het, at least they have said a lot of cool stuff. Thats good. Never happened before.
This have led to that one third into the first transfer window we have no CEO calling the shots, a manager with no trust among players nor fans rumoured to get sacked every minute of the day to lead the team and a french lid who used to be scout at spurs in some undefined directors role. Add this to the rumour that they are reluctant to hire Kenny in an interim role as they are afraid what an eventual success will do to their future plans it is kind of living out your dream isnt it?
But het, at least they have said a lot of cool stuff. Thats good. Never happened before.
I think the point is that they have done very little to make a difference. The initial buyout and debt repayment was a fantastic turn of events but momentum has been lost.
They've made the right noises but have been slow to act.
There is a limit to the amount of time you can take to listen and learn.
Now, whilst they and new management have time to recruit is optimal. Further delay isn't going to quell fears or change perception or our League position sadly.
Remaining silent and aloof can work against speculation but our current plight isn't speculation it's right there in your face.
They've made the right noises but have been slow to act.
There is a limit to the amount of time you can take to listen and learn.
Now, whilst they and new management have time to recruit is optimal. Further delay isn't going to quell fears or change perception or our League position sadly.
Remaining silent and aloof can work against speculation but our current plight isn't speculation it's right there in your face.
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I'd rather they take their time and make the best appointment rather than rush things.
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I see your point. But are there any limits to what time aspect they have. And what say that slow appointment necessary is better than a quick one? What make you confident they are able to call the right shots anyway as the board is stripped for people with any knowledge of football or the mecanisms surrounding it.
I'd rather they take their time and make the best appointment rather than rush things.
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I see your point. But are there any limits to what time aspect they have. And what say that slow appointment necessary is better than a quick one? What make you confident they are able to call the right shots anyway as the board is stripped for people with any knowledge of football or the mecanisms surrounding it.
I'm pretty confident the owners are doing an awful lot behind the scenes to get the right person in place. I've got no concerns about them and am quite happy they're not conducting their business in the open just to feed the appetite of fans hungry for news. We lambasted Hicks and Gillett for airing their dirty linen in public, now the new owners are just as bad for doing the opposite.
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I'm pretty confident the owners are doing an awful lot behind the scenes to get the right person in place. I've got no concerns about them and am quite happy they're not conducting their business in the open just to feed the appetite of fans hungry for news. We lambasted Hicks and Gillett for airing their dirty linen in public, now the new owners are just as bad for doing the opposite.
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In business always try to keep your customers happy. Silence in this case not golden. Theyshould make a statement of intent or put out a "hold-out-hold-on" message.
I'm pretty confident the owners are doing an awful lot behind the scenes to get the right person in place. I've got no concerns about them and am quite happy they're not conducting their business in the open just to feed the appetite of fans hungry for news. We lambasted Hicks and Gillett for airing their dirty linen in public, now the new owners are just as bad for doing the opposite.
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In business always try to keep your customers happy. Silence in this case not golden. Theyshould make a statement of intent or put out a "hold-out-hold-on" message.
All this reminds me of the stick the previous board were taking when they were supposedly "doing nothing" to get shot of H and G.
Some of you fellas have short memories.
Some of you fellas have short memories.
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43489.msg1246115#msg1246115 date=1294480322]
I'm pretty confident the owners are doing an awful lot behind the scenes to get the right person in place. I've got no concerns about them and am quite happy they're not conducting their business in the open just to feed the appetite of fans hungry for news. We lambasted Hicks and Gillett for airing their dirty linen in public, now the new owners are just as bad for doing the opposite.
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In business always try to keep your customers happy. Silence in this case not golden. Theyshould make a statement of intent or put out a "hold-out-hold-on" message.
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What, release a statement every week to tell us they're still going through the process to appoint a CEO?
JJ is right.
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I'm pretty confident the owners are doing an awful lot behind the scenes to get the right person in place. I've got no concerns about them and am quite happy they're not conducting their business in the open just to feed the appetite of fans hungry for news. We lambasted Hicks and Gillett for airing their dirty linen in public, now the new owners are just as bad for doing the opposite.
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In business always try to keep your customers happy. Silence in this case not golden. Theyshould make a statement of intent or put out a "hold-out-hold-on" message.
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What, release a statement every week to tell us they're still going through the process to appoint a CEO?
JJ is right.
I think silence and taking their time would have been fine if Hodgson had managed to do what he was hired to do: ie steadied the ship. If we sixth or seventh, drawing at Blackburn and beating Wolves and Blackpool at home, the fans would still be unhappy, but they wouldn't be mutinous - we wouldn't be a club in crisis, and the owners wouldn't be in the spotlight. Unfortunately, it's all gone tits up and they've been left with so much less time than they thought they had.
It's reached a point now where, irrespective of the need to stay calm and make the right decision, they need to make A decision of some fucking kind. We're drifting into disaster at the moment.
It's reached a point now where, irrespective of the need to stay calm and make the right decision, they need to make A decision of some fucking kind. We're drifting into disaster at the moment.
They have hundreds of millions invested here so I doubt very much they're unaware of what's at stake and haven't made *any* decisions - for example I'd be amazed if they haven't decided Roy's on his bike. The delay is likely to be down to implementing those decisions and there are all kinds of factors, including a need for confidentiality, which will affect the timetable in that respect. Ideally I too would like to hear something soon, but I think we all need to give them credit for actually knowing what they're doing.
localny:
"I really am concerned about FSG's stewardship. Three months before we have a CEO?"
As a Headhunter I can tell you that the Executive Search process for a role as big as the LFC ceo is not a quick process.
The research required to identify suitable candidates that match FSG's brief will be immense.
Every candidate they speak to will have long contractual notice periods they must honour as well.
I wouldn't expect any appointment to start until the summer at the very earliest.
If you blame FSG for not having one in place already then you are very very naïve when it comes to the senior business world
"I really am concerned about FSG's stewardship. Three months before we have a CEO?"
As a Headhunter I can tell you that the Executive Search process for a role as big as the LFC ceo is not a quick process.
The research required to identify suitable candidates that match FSG's brief will be immense.
Every candidate they speak to will have long contractual notice periods they must honour as well.
I wouldn't expect any appointment to start until the summer at the very earliest.
If you blame FSG for not having one in place already then you are very very naïve when it comes to the senior business world
Would you say the same applies to the manager's job? I've said all along that I thought this was the kind of process they should go through for that too, and that Kenny should be asked to caretake in the meantime. What do you reckon?
I think they looked at our Xmas fixtures an thought ' Thank fuck for that, some breathing space. I mean we may draw the away games but we cannot loose any of them. Let's get partying'
They hadn't figured that Woy could make such a mess. It has caught them out and now they are frantically trying to appoint a CEO so he can appoint a manager. I think.
They hadn't figured that Woy could make such a mess. It has caught them out and now they are frantically trying to appoint a CEO so he can appoint a manager. I think.
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They hadn't figured that Roy could make such a mess. It has caught them out and now they are frantically trying to appoint a CEO so he can appoint a manager. I think.
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I don't think they will appoint a CEO just to appoint a manager V. I do think they will take the appropriate time required.
They hadn't figured that Roy could make such a mess. It has caught them out and now they are frantically trying to appoint a CEO so he can appoint a manager. I think.
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I don't think they will appoint a CEO just to appoint a manager V. I do think they will take the appropriate time required.
is there any reason kenny couldn't become CEO? is the job of 'chief executive officer' THAT complex?
The last thing we heard from them was that they were fully behind Roy but expexted an immidate improvement in results. Well.....
"udge Jules:
Would you say the same applies to the manager's job? I've said all along that I thought this was the kind of process they should go through for that too"
No, firstly contracts in football are worthless, so a targeted manager could be available immediately.
Secondly, the football world is a lot smaller and the talent pool of potential managers more well known.
Think about how many senior executives there are in the business world and you realise how vast the task is.
Would you say the same applies to the manager's job? I've said all along that I thought this was the kind of process they should go through for that too"
No, firstly contracts in football are worthless, so a targeted manager could be available immediately.
Secondly, the football world is a lot smaller and the talent pool of potential managers more well known.
Think about how many senior executives there are in the business world and you realise how vast the task is.
"Could" be available immediately, except that they often aren't - look at the Deschamps situation. Not all managers' contracts are worthless, and it might well be that the man we want has one which isn't. We can then either give up and go for "the best we can get", which increases the risk of another Roy being appointed, or we get into some real hard bargaining, which will take time and care. The fact that the pool of managers is smaller than the pool of executives doesn't imply that the process of appointing one will be any quicker.
You don't know that, and I highly doubt it's that simple. If he weren't under contract he'd at least have spoken to a club like LFC.
Some of our so called fans these days have become nothing more than media believing foot stamping hysterical gobshites."Our owners should shut up and get on with business" . "Our owners should tell us more". Worse than fucking women Some of them. Fickle nobheads.
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Some of our so called fans these days have become nothing more than media believing foot stamping hysterical gobshites."Our owners should shut up and get on with business" . "Our owners should tell us more". Worse than fucking women Some of them. Fickle nobheads.
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Well to be honest our owners should have listened to me in October. I said back then (as so many others) that they should asap remove Roy and install Kenny to spare us further blushes. That was a fair and free advise which proves that I was 100% correct and probably more suitable to be chairman than tom werner. He has spent 3 months thinking on the advise before acting. Waste of time 🙂 Furthermore I expect a call now regarding the stadium issues, tv rights for the future and regarding commercial issues. All advises given will be the best for the club and 100% free 😉.
On the other note I still believe they would have shown a good side of themselves if they actually showed their faces in Liverpool when the pressure was at is highest and people were dissapearing from the stands.
But hey. John Henry has talked the talk, and now he has also walked the walk... Now lets dance!!!!
Some of our so called fans these days have become nothing more than media believing foot stamping hysterical gobshites."Our owners should shut up and get on with business" . "Our owners should tell us more". Worse than fucking women Some of them. Fickle nobheads.
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Well to be honest our owners should have listened to me in October. I said back then (as so many others) that they should asap remove Roy and install Kenny to spare us further blushes. That was a fair and free advise which proves that I was 100% correct and probably more suitable to be chairman than tom werner. He has spent 3 months thinking on the advise before acting. Waste of time 🙂 Furthermore I expect a call now regarding the stadium issues, tv rights for the future and regarding commercial issues. All advises given will be the best for the club and 100% free 😉.
On the other note I still believe they would have shown a good side of themselves if they actually showed their faces in Liverpool when the pressure was at is highest and people were dissapearing from the stands.
But hey. John Henry has talked the talk, and now he has also walked the walk... Now lets dance!!!!
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Some of our so called fans these days have become nothing more than media believing foot stamping hysterical gobshites."Our owners should shut up and get on with business" . "Our owners should tell us more". Worse than fucking women Some of them. Fickle nobheads.
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Well lets face it, the chairman who presided over us for all our glory years, Sir John Smith was never out of the press, making decisions constantly, releasing press statements & making the sure the fans knew everything going on the behind the scenes.
Some of our so called fans these days have become nothing more than media believing foot stamping hysterical gobshites."Our owners should shut up and get on with business" . "Our owners should tell us more". Worse than fucking women Some of them. Fickle nobheads.
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Well lets face it, the chairman who presided over us for all our glory years, Sir John Smith was never out of the press, making decisions constantly, releasing press statements & making the sure the fans knew everything going on the behind the scenes.
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43489.msg1246434#msg1246434 date=1294492502]
Some of our so called fans these days have become nothing more than media believing foot stamping hysterical gobshites."Our owners should shut up and get on with business" . "Our owners should tell us more". Worse than fucking women Some of them. Fickle nobheads.
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Well lets face it, the chairman who presided over us for all our glory years, Sir John Smith was never out of the press, making decisions constantly, releasing press statements & making the sure the fans knew everything going on the behind the scenes.
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Well, he acted, and he rarely saw us loose 50% more than the games we won. And there is a tiny difference on the media then and today. Back then I had to call anfield during games to know the score, or call the Oslo based newspapers desk the day after.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43489.msg1246434#msg1246434 date=1294492502]
Some of our so called fans these days have become nothing more than media believing foot stamping hysterical gobshites."Our owners should shut up and get on with business" . "Our owners should tell us more". Worse than fucking women Some of them. Fickle nobheads.
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Well lets face it, the chairman who presided over us for all our glory years, Sir John Smith was never out of the press, making decisions constantly, releasing press statements & making the sure the fans knew everything going on the behind the scenes.
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Well, he acted, and he rarely saw us loose 50% more than the games we won. And there is a tiny difference on the media then and today. Back then I had to call anfield during games to know the score, or call the Oslo based newspapers desk the day after.
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