Carragher's 'obvious limitations'
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It refers to his club foot.
He lacked a bit on the technical side. Tactically he was better. Is there even a question about it?
No, not unless you are in the trolling business.
Carra to me was heart, grit, steel, bravery and balls. He was good at organizing defenders around him and good a motivating teammates. Rarely made mistakes, especially later on in his career.
Lacked height and therefore he wasn't particular great in the air, and rarely a threat from set-pieces. He also lacked technique why he wasn't particularly good when in possession. He wasn't bad just not among the best in that area.
He was no Alan Hansen, but by the same token, Alan Hansen was no Carra. Both types are great to have in your defensive line, complementary types if you like making your team tick, find balance etc.
What do you mean what did he lack? Are you being a troll, Ross?
Anyways read my post above and you'll learn all about Carra that you need to know (from a footballing perspective).
Also, and this is very important, can you please stop adding a space between the last letter and the '?' in a sentence? It's annoying.
Loads of people do this but seemingly only ever with a '?', and not with a '.' or a ',' or even a '!'. What the fuck is it all about?
Ill try to separate the issues, and I also state that we are talking a great fottballer here, and no comparisons to Tony Hibbert. So if i.e. Tony Hibbert and his fellows are the standard Carra didn't lack a single thing. I choose to compare him to the ones that should be aiming for League and CL trophies instead.
He started out as a right back (after a short stint as CM back up if I recall it right?). As a right back he lacked a bit on the attacking side. Difficult to pass by for opposition, but very seldom he could help the right winger on building an attacking threath on the right side. No Statistical data, but I am sure 50% + of his passes went to the CD. So for an Right back he lacks the crossing and attacking threath. Probably due to his technical skills rather than his confidence.
As a left back it is pretty much the same story. However, it is a bit unfair for a right footed guy to be compared to the left backs, I still think he did better for us on the left than on the right. Maybe it was Down to the rest of the backline. Tactically good, as he would allways Balance the back if someone else moved up the Pitch. But not the ability as i.e. Milner (similar situation, not a Natural left back but still doing a job there) to create something from out wide.
As a Central defender his organisation skills, leadership and ability to read the game is good. Duell side (height has been mentioned), taking for runs by attackers is more a Challenge. And he seldom took the ball past their first press Level, which I think is a very important thing for a Central defender. Sami was good at that. Agger too. Skrtel not at all.
But again, it all depends on what you compare it too. For us he was worth his weight in gold. For England he was obvious not rated among the very very best at the time.
Hahaha. Thats my Carra!! He doesn't have to be defintive best out there as long as he is our best!!!!
You can add that to the list as well, he would've been even more difficult to play against with a bit more pace obviously.
"he seldom took the ball past their first press Level, which I think is a very important thing for a Central defender"
Just lock the fucking thread before I'm sick on my laptop
Just lock the fucking thread before I'm sick on my laptop
Hahaha. You really has a weak stomach.... Get a fucking grip man.... Or Man and Man. Boy. Get a grip boy.
Is this Russian? Or early Shakespeare?
"They all came and went because Roy Evans, Gérard Houllier and Rafael Benítez recognised Carragher as a far more gifted footballer than some ever gave him credit for.
There is incredulity, too, when Carragher’s career is viewed as a triumph of the heart rather than technique, an unfair assessment that also followed his most comparable, old-school predecessor, Tommy Smith. “You don’t play 700 games for Liverpool if you can’t pass the ball,” Carragher said recently.
Carragher is no limited player who made the best of himself. He has been at the top of his generation since being accepted into Lilleshall as a teenager. He thrived as a striker in his youth, then a midfielder, later as a full-back and then centre-half.
With Gerrard, he is the embodiment of the modern Liverpool. Crucially, those two have ensured the bond between the players and The Kop has remained intact, despite times when it seemed to be in danger of disconnection.
Once he has worn the red shirt for the last time, they will be even more appreciative of what they once had. When they name Liverpool’s greatest players, Carragher will not be hidden in the background. He will be where he rightly belongs, at the front of the podium."
We All Dream Of A Team Of Carraghers
Now fuck off.
There is incredulity, too, when Carragher’s career is viewed as a triumph of the heart rather than technique, an unfair assessment that also followed his most comparable, old-school predecessor, Tommy Smith. “You don’t play 700 games for Liverpool if you can’t pass the ball,” Carragher said recently.
Carragher is no limited player who made the best of himself. He has been at the top of his generation since being accepted into Lilleshall as a teenager. He thrived as a striker in his youth, then a midfielder, later as a full-back and then centre-half.
With Gerrard, he is the embodiment of the modern Liverpool. Crucially, those two have ensured the bond between the players and The Kop has remained intact, despite times when it seemed to be in danger of disconnection.
Once he has worn the red shirt for the last time, they will be even more appreciative of what they once had. When they name Liverpool’s greatest players, Carragher will not be hidden in the background. He will be where he rightly belongs, at the front of the podium."
We All Dream Of A Team Of Carraghers
Now fuck off.
Yeah, I'd have him in the third row or something.
Someone else made the point in another thread. All footballers have limitations.
But with Carragher every conversation seems to focus on him being good despite obvious limitations.
So i wanted to know what was so fucking obvious.
@manwithnoname ..yeah that's a nice read of someone's high opinion of Carra and of course it's all a bit rosy too.. right?
I.e. the comment 'He thrived as a striker in his Youth' tells you all you need to know about how biased those comments are, and it's laughable really if anyone thinks Carra could play at any top level as a striker as in such were his talents. Do you even believe that yourself?
For me Carra is not in Gerrard's class. Few are. He's a great, and I will always remember him fondly, but not among the greatest. As defenders goes few were better than him in his prime but Sami and Hansen for me, both were.
We All Dream Of A Team Of Carraghers, yes we do, because he's everything you'd want in a model pro which you obviously are aware of is the meaning of it it's not about his skill set etc. becasue then you'd actually rather want a team of Messis. I'm not even convinced a team of Carras would beat a team of Origis - it would certainly get hammered by a team of Firminos.
Also, the argument about a bunch of different managers sticking to a certain player and recognizes him as being better than his reputation is a valid one but it will probably also be said about Lucas one day, why I'd argue it can be flawed too.
Anyways, I get it you hate if everyone is not just saying nice things of Carra, and I am almost that fan, I love him, but your over-the-top praise will of course ignite some responses and then you can go on with your superfan rhetoric's in a little while and then the trol.. i mean OP will join you in the feast.
I.e. the comment 'He thrived as a striker in his Youth' tells you all you need to know about how biased those comments are, and it's laughable really if anyone thinks Carra could play at any top level as a striker as in such were his talents. Do you even believe that yourself?
For me Carra is not in Gerrard's class. Few are. He's a great, and I will always remember him fondly, but not among the greatest. As defenders goes few were better than him in his prime but Sami and Hansen for me, both were.
We All Dream Of A Team Of Carraghers, yes we do, because he's everything you'd want in a model pro which you obviously are aware of is the meaning of it it's not about his skill set etc. becasue then you'd actually rather want a team of Messis. I'm not even convinced a team of Carras would beat a team of Origis - it would certainly get hammered by a team of Firminos.
Also, the argument about a bunch of different managers sticking to a certain player and recognizes him as being better than his reputation is a valid one but it will probably also be said about Lucas one day, why I'd argue it can be flawed too.
Anyways, I get it you hate if everyone is not just saying nice things of Carra, and I am almost that fan, I love him, but your over-the-top praise will of course ignite some responses and then you can go on with your superfan rhetoric's in a little while and then the trol.. i mean OP will join you in the feast.
He didn't (and still doesn't) have a belly button, and so the fluff had nowhere to congregate. That's his undeniable human limitation.
Other than that, not quick, not dominant in the air, but he became a superb central defender - clever, exceptionally aware, exceptionally disciplined, strong, decisive, with a very good pass on him even though it wasn't 'flash' and therefore didn't catch the eye. I'm not sure he'd get into my all time best team, but only because we're spoilt for choice.
Other than that, not quick, not dominant in the air, but he became a superb central defender - clever, exceptionally aware, exceptionally disciplined, strong, decisive, with a very good pass on him even though it wasn't 'flash' and therefore didn't catch the eye. I'm not sure he'd get into my all time best team, but only because we're spoilt for choice.
He'd be on the bench of my All Time Liverpool XI. Which is quite a feat given that he started out a bit slow, I wasn't too fond of him as a right back, and thought he had a few shaky years in central before as you say he turned in to a superb commanding defender. We miss and have missed him ever since he stopped playing.
Oh and Agger would obviously be the first name on my team sheet. For the All Time Liverpool XI Reserves that is.
Thats almost class. Copy and paste someone elses work and round it off with a big fuck you to those watching.... Like you really made a point. You got more in common with those cunts than that eternal love for Costa!! Haha
He was a natural leader/organiser at the back, and of course you could hear him shouting as he did it, which had the unfortunate consequence that Brendan seemed to be more concerned to replace him with someone 'vocal' rather than with someone who genuinely was good at organising/leading. It went so quiet when Carra was no longer there that I think most of us got a bit distracted by the silence, but as Sami showed, you don't need volume to take command of that area.
..and now you know.
Every footballer is limited to some degree, some more than others and in different aspects of the game. It's really not rocket science.
Carra wasn't the most obvious skilled footballer but his mentality and his willpower has always been in the world class bracket second to none. Gerrard on the other hand was probably one of the most skilled ballers you could ever come across on the pitch, he seemed however more fragile and struggled more with the mental part of the game, I believe.
Carra has had a great career and has really managed to get the most out of his talent. And that is not meant as a hidden critic rather the contrary. Isn't that what it is all about, getting the most out of the hand you are dealt?
I think it is fair to say Carra could handle the most that was thrown at us and had a challenge (again compared to the Hierros, Maldinis and Thurams to mention some) to add to our game when we had the ball. Of course you can as Mark bring in a lot of other Shit players and if so is the case Carra is head and shoulder above in all aspects of the game. That he also added the much needed local connection is highly valuable to us.
And many defenders tend to get stereotyped, where certain aspects of their play are made to obscure other important aspects. Tommy Smith, for example, was really a very able footballer, who could pass really well and dominate either in the centre or as an attacking right back (have a look on YouTube at the 1974 cup final), and yet his image is of some kind of weapon of mass destruction.
Carragher was a player who in effect 'edited' his talents to suit the tasks he was given in the team. He had the technique to do other things, but he concentrated his ability to complement his role.
Carragher was a player who in effect 'edited' his talents to suit the tasks he was given in the team. He had the technique to do other things, but he concentrated his ability to complement his role.
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