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The Mirror is running with a report that Can wants a wage hike - and though Klopp rates him highly, he doesn't think he warrants the salary he's requesting as right now he 'can be' a very good player, but clearly isn't there yet.

We're playing "hardball" and may move him on if there is no resolution.

Should we sell?

If so, for how much?

Personally, the last few months have shown me a player who lacks the necessary intelligence to reach higher levels. Can that be taught? Not sure ... but if a team offered us ~$20-30 million, I'd be tempted to say Auf Wiedersehen
 
He's only got a year left of his deal in the summer ltw. There's no way we'll get that amount for him. I'd take £10m and run.
 
He's on 35k allegedly, and is looking for 70k.

He hasn't progressed as much as i thought he would have by now.

He's not looking like our DM of the future at the minute and the bits of his game that are good, which to me are his driving runs and general play going forward - we already have players who can do those things better than he can.

Sometimes i wonder should he be playing Centre back (in our back four) - his physical attributes suggest it but the rest of his game doesn't.
 
35k is low to be fair, but is he worth 75? Not sure on that unless he puts in a solid run until the seasons end. He has potential, but I don't think he's ever gonna be perfectly suited to us. He's worth more than ten mill. 15-20 mill and i would let him go.
 
I don't mind him getting a little bit more, with performance-related bonuses for things like scoring goals, as that would at least encourage the bloke to up his game. But he's hardly deserved anything like what his agent is now asking. He might develop into a very good player, but I'd prefer us to buy a better player anyway.
 
I'm glad to see Klopp agrees that he should be improving. We too often see underperforming players rewarded with new contracts.

I wonder if this does suggest that Klopp is after a better, more defensively minded CM in the summer?

I fucking hope so.
 
I agree.

But i can see where he's coming from - look at the deals Coutinho and Lallana signed.
 
Rosco said:
I agree.

But i can see where he's coming from - look at the deals Coutinho and Lallana signed.
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Lucas Leiva earns £80,000 a week. Eighty. Thousand. Pounds. A. Week.

If I was Can, that's the fucking wage figure I'd be using to negotiate, and it makes his reported claims of wanting £70,000 fucking laughable in many respects.
 
manwithnoname said:
Lucas Leiva earns £80,000 a week. Eighty. Thousand. Pounds. A. Week.

If I was Can, that's the fucking wage figure I'd be using to negotiate, and it makes his reported claims of wanting £70,000 fucking laughable in many respects.
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Yup.
 
Can getting a new contract and a wage of 60-70k wouldnt be the worst decision we've made. But, he hasnt progressed as much as we've hoped.
We need a better DM then Can and if we move him forward to the nr 8 role, he doesnt really fit in with the rest or improve that position.

If we can get a good fee for him and replace him with a player(s) that suits the team better, then it wont be the end of the World if he's sold.

Ideally, Sell him to RB Leipzig, who are interested, and buy Naby Keita from them.
 
Sell him.

He isn't good enough and in this system he's never going to command a regular spot.

Too slow in transition, doesn't read the game well, takes too many touches, doesn't pass the ball nearly quick enough and doesn't perform at a consistent level.

Can anyone name a position he could make his own?

Sell
 
He's not with 70k a week but I would rather keep him. We will have European football of some sorts next season and we already have enough positions to buy for without selling what we do have. I hope a compromise can be reached.
 
Bump his wages up a touch and get him on a two year extension. If it works then we get a good player and give him a rise. If not, we sell him for a better fee.
 
I'd be keeping him. We've put 3+ years of development into him, and maybe I'm more optimistic than some - but he's got great upside. He can play, he's got great touch, he can hit a pass, and with a bit of coaching could improve his goal ratio. Big, strong, mostly fit, and has a decent attitude.

Why sell someone like that at the age of 23 for 15-20M odd? It makes no sense. Sure if you're going to replace him with someone infinitely better, but they're gonna cost 50M+ - which we don't have.

His best performances have come in the 6 role; away to United in the Europa, Dortmund, this week against Arsenal. That's his go. I think he's a better reactive player than a proactive one. I get that Henderson is a better player right now than him in that position, but Can's ceiling is higher than Henderson's.

The best DM's we've seen in England have traditionally been older players, players in their late 20's who've matured into that role. Hamman, Makalele, Vieira, Keane in his later years, etc. He mightn't get to their level, but with the right coaching, there's a mouldable player. Plus, he seems to have a bit of cunt about him, which is no bad thing in our team of vaginas.

Anyway, I might be overly optimistic about his upside, but if he were to play a full season (whilst fit) in the 6, then we'd have a player in my view. And there's more upside to that than getting 20M-odd for him now.
 
It's probably worth giving him an extra 25 - 30k a week just to get him to extend his contract. Even if we do want to flog him he's only got 12 months left so we would get fuck all for him. Also we are going to need a significantly deeper squad if we have European football next season so unless we are bringing in about 4 midfielders it makes very little sense to sell him now
 
His cynical foul to bring down Sanchez at the week showed something I wouldn't expect from the rest of our fannies. Need a bit of bite in our team.

Hasn't pushed on as much as I'd have liked but worth persisting with. We don't need to replace him at this point. Or at least I have little confidence that we'd do better.
 
Ryan said:
I'd be keeping him. We've put 3+ years of development into him, and maybe I'm more optimistic than some - but he's got great upside. He can play, he's got great touch, he can hit a pass, and with a bit of coaching could improve his goal ratio. Big, strong, mostly fit, and has a decent attitude.

Why sell someone like that at the age of 23 for 15-20M odd? It makes no sense. Sure if you're going to replace him with someone infinitely better, but they're gonna cost 50M+ - which we don't have.

His best performances have come in the 6 role; away to United in the Europa, Dortmund, this week against Arsenal. That's his go. I think he's a better reactive player than a proactive one. I get that Henderson is a better player right now than him in that position, but Can's ceiling is higher than Henderson's.

The best DM's we've seen in England have traditionally been older players, players in their late 20's who've matured into that role. Hamman, Makalele, Vieira, Keane in his later years, etc. He mightn't get to their level, but with the right coaching, there's a mouldable player. Plus, he seems to have a bit of cunt about him, which is no bad thing in our team of vaginas.

Anyway, I might be overly optimistic about his upside, but if he were to play a full season (whilst fit) in the 6, then we'd have a player in my view. And there's more upside to that than getting 20M-odd for him now.
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Exactly this.
 
Ryan said:
I'd be keeping him. We've put 3+ years of development into him, and maybe I'm more optimistic than some - but he's got great upside. He can play, he's got great touch, he can hit a pass, and with a bit of coaching could improve his goal ratio. Big, strong, mostly fit, and has a decent attitude.

Why sell someone like that at the age of 23 for 15-20M odd? It makes no sense. Sure if you're going to replace him with someone infinitely better, but they're gonna cost 50M+ - which we don't have.

His best performances have come in the 6 role; away to United in the Europa, Dortmund, this week against Arsenal. That's his go. I think he's a better reactive player than a proactive one. I get that Henderson is a better player right now than him in that position, but Can's ceiling is higher than Henderson's.

The best DM's we've seen in England have traditionally been older players, players in their late 20's who've matured into that role. Hamman, Makalele, Vieira, Keane in his later years, etc. He mightn't get to their level, but with the right coaching, there's a mouldable player. Plus, he seems to have a bit of cunt about him, which is no bad thing in our team of vaginas.

Anyway, I might be overly optimistic about his upside, but if he were to play a full season (whilst fit) in the 6, then we'd have a player in my view. And there's more upside to that than getting 20M-odd for him now.
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Yip. Although I'm not Can's biggest fan, this makes pretty good sense. Let him grow into the position at the base of midfield.
 
I like Ryan's post but it does hinge somewhat on Can getting better than he is now and then being consistent at that higher level. If we double his wages and he continues to do what he's been doing for the past 12 months, that would be unfortunate.
 
Can has potential but these last two seasons he has had these dip in form after injuries, which has seen him take up to 2 months to get going again. He was good against Arsenal but lets be honest, he has been very inconsistent and down right awful in some of these games.

I'm fine with keeping him if Klopp decides to do that, but we still need a new dm.
 
Liverpool keen to end Can's contract stand-off with further talks to follow

German midfielder facing uncertain future - but Klopp wants him to stay



BYJAMES PEARCE
  • 17:23, 9 MAR 2017

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Liverpool intend to hold further talks with Emre Can’s representatives at the end of the season in a bid to end his contract stand-off.
The Germany international’s future is uncertain as he prepares to enter the final year of his existing deal.
However, Jurgen Klopp wants Can to stay put and the manager is hoping that a compromise can be reached to extend his stay at Anfield.
Negotiations conducted by Liverpool sporting director Michael Edwards over an extension broke down before Christmas and the ECHO understands they have yet to resume. Can’s representatives had been seeking around £100,000 per week for a player who currently earns around half that amount.
The 23-year-old midfielder has yet to convince Liverpool that he’s worth that kind of figure and all parties have agreed to put discussions on the backburner for the time being.
A strong end to the season as Liverpool chase a Champions League spot would certainly strengthen Can’s hand ahead of the resumption of discussions
Asked recently if the £10million signing from Bayer Leverkusen in 2014 remained part of his long-term plans, Klopp said: “I speak to the players, not the press.
“If I say yes it puts pressure on the club to do it immediately. If I say no the player thinks I do not want him any more.
“Emre knows exactly what we want. That’s the only thing that matters.”
If Can doesn’t sign a new deal this summer Liverpool would have to listen to offers for him but the former Bayern Munich trainee could opt to remain at Anfield and run down his contract.
Speaking to the ECHO back in November, Can said: “It is my agent’s work (to sort it out). I am very happy here at Liverpool.”
Can shares the same agent as Borussia Monchengladbach midfielder Mahmoud Dahoud, who was a target for Liverpool last summer but is no longer on their wish-list.
 
So he's actually on £50k a week rather than £30k. I'd say even £50k a week is crazy money for him
 
Rosco said:
He's not looking like our DM of the future at the minute and the bits of his game that are good, which to me are his driving runs and general play going forward - we already have players who can do those things better than he can.
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Those are exactly my thoughts about Can. He is strong running forward with the ball, but his weaknesses show up in what happens next. He is not skilful enough to participate in the quick passing and running alongside Lallana, Coutinho & co.

I'm not so anxious to hang on to him that I would call for the club to stretch its salary policy to accommodate him.
 
Ryan said:
I'd be keeping him. We've put 3+ years of development into him, and maybe I'm more optimistic than some - but he's got great upside. He can play, he's got great touch, he can hit a pass, and with a bit of coaching could improve his goal ratio. Big, strong, mostly fit, and has a decent attitude.

Why sell someone like that at the age of 23 for 15-20M odd? It makes no sense. Sure if you're going to replace him with someone infinitely better, but they're gonna cost 50M+ - which we don't have.

His best performances have come in the 6 role; away to United in the Europa, Dortmund, this week against Arsenal. That's his go. I think he's a better reactive player than a proactive one. I get that Henderson is a better player right now than him in that position, but Can's ceiling is higher than Henderson's.

The best DM's we've seen in England have traditionally been older players, players in their late 20's who've matured into that role. Hamman, Makalele, Vieira, Keane in his later years, etc. He mightn't get to their level, but with the right coaching, there's a mouldable player. Plus, he seems to have a bit of cunt about him, which is no bad thing in our team of vaginas.

Anyway, I might be overly optimistic about his upside, but if he were to play a full season (whilst fit) in the 6, then we'd have a player in my view. And there's more upside to that than getting 20M-odd for him now.
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That's a good post sir - and I was definitely on this bandwagon until recently, where I feel his on pitch intelligence leaves a lot to be desired. That's not something I feel that can be coached - but you're point about the 6 is right ... but that means he has to wait his turn as Hendo isn't exactly 'old' ...
 
Portly said:
Those are exactly my thoughts about Can. He is strong running forward with the ball, but his weaknesses show up in what happens next. He is not skilful enough to participate in the quick passing and running alongside Lallana, Coutinho & co.

I'm not so anxious to hang on to him that I would call for the club to stretch its salary policy to accommodate him.
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Yeah and for me the difference between asking for 70k and 100k is significant.

For me when you get into 100k territory you need that player to be in the starting lineup regardless of the opposition.
I don't think we're there with Can but he still has that potential - so you can make a reasonable argument either way.

It's probably the opportunity cost of 100k a week that tips me against it
 
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