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Broughton gives SOS short shrift

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Rosco

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SOS Update

Martin Broughton - Request to Meet
Wednesday 12th May 2010

Following our recent letter to Martin Broughton requesting a meeting, and the information passed to us via Ian Ayre that we would not granted our request for a meeting, we have received direct correspondence from our new Chairman. In light of his response, we have decided to respond with our views on why a meeting should take place. Both our own and Martin Broughton's response can be seen below.

Our response to Martin Broughton

Dear Mr Broughton,

Thank you for your response to our request for a meeting, however, your reply, and your answers on LFC.tv, only leaves the Union's members with further questions.

You do, in your reply, make reference to the various supporters clubs who are a source of support for the team and the Club. Whilst the Spirit of Shankly and its members are dedicated supporters of Liverpool Football Club, it is fair to say that our remit, purpose and those we have dialogue with, are very different from the more traditional LFC supporter's clubs.

These differences, defined in our constitution and in our stated aims and objectives, mean that not only do we exist to represent the interests of our members, but we are also intent on calling to account those who influence the future of Liverpool Football Club to ensure as much transparency as possible in the dealings of the Club, both in its search for new owners and in its dealings with all supporters. As an organisation, we are also seeking democratic involvement in the future running of the Club to ensure supporter interests and a regard to the history of LFC are considered at all levels.

We have previously met with former Chief Executive Rick Parry, current owner George Gillett, as well as Directors Ian Ayre and Christian Purslow to ask them direct questions and to outline our views and express our concern regarding issues that effect the club, particularly with reference to the current owners, and their intentions, but also regarding issues which directly concern all supporters such as ticket prices and allocation and the new ground.

As an organisation, our desire to see the Club develop in the most appropriate way has led us to hold meetings with representatives of Dubai International Capital, with Supporters Direct, the supporters' trusts initiative, with local and national politicians and the Football Supporters' Federation. We also have a meeting scheduled with the Premier League this week to discuss the ownership issue.

Locally we have the support of Steve Rotherham, the newly elected MP for Walton and Joe Anderson the Leader of the City Council, and we are one of the organisations involved in the concept and development of the Football Quarter.

Our view is that we, and hopefully those appointed to oversee the future of the club, are working towards very similar aims, primarily the best future for Liverpool Football Club. We think the views of our members specifically can best be represented by honest, face-to-face dialogue between interested parties which is the reason we are also liaising with organisations such as the Premier League and Supporters Direct.

Whilst previous meetings between ourselves and senior figures at the club have not always been reported honestly by the Club we believe that a continued dialogue is essential, and beneficial to all parties to answer genuine fears and concerns of supporters regarding the Club's current perilous financial standing and its future.

Whilst we appreciate your remit is to ensure a sale of the club, we, as a Union, have a commitment to our members to hold whoever owns the Club to account. We have campaigned long and hard to have Tom Hicks and George Gillett to leave the club, and whilst the 'For Sale' signs are up, they still remain as owners. If there is one thing Liverpool Football Club has been famous for in the past, it is an appreciation of its fans, and its history and a reliance on the 'Liverpool Way'.

Whilst this may not be the case at other Premiership Clubs, many Liverpool fans, whilst appreciating the changing nature of football, still hold dear the values of honest and up-front discussion and that is all we are requesting from you.

We hope that you would reconsider your decision to meet with us to discuss the issues and concerns we have.

We look forward to hearing your reply

Yours sincerely

Fran Stanton

Chair


Martin Broughton's response to our initial meeting request.



Dear Mr Stanton

Thank you for your recent letter with questions.

I am sure you are aware that I answered each of the questions on the LFC TV interview last week. As there are over 200 LFC supporters' clubs it is not my intention to speak individually to each of them or to differentiate between them - instead I intend to continue communicating with all fans collectively.

If you have any further questions feel free to send them in.

Regards

Martin Broughton



Can we keep him ?
 
I think Broughton might actually know what he is doing, which is one of only a couple things making me think things might turn out ok.

So far he has just done all the basic PR stuff correctly.

Why would SOS think that the result was going to be any different? When they were given what for me was far too much access, they fucked it up.

Someone is making a pretty penny on the whole SoS thing. I wouldn't mind it if I thought it was 100% an honest, albeit naive, campaign.
 
They thought the result would be different because they'd started to believe their own publicity. Broughton's reply is the politest invitation to a correspondent to go f'ck himself that I think I've ever read. Excellent stuff.
 
I'm not saying SOS are perfect, or that everything they have done, or seek to do, is praise-worthy, but what they are - and Broughton is not - are fans of LFC, and their hearts are in the right place.

They do deserve a smattering of respect, simply because they've done more than most to ensure that S & W, (and the media), know they are not wanted

I can't mock or be smug when they clearly care so much, and have at least tried to do something about it, which is more than most have

Unless googling annual reports and being smug on messageboards counts
 
I'd have more sympathy for that if SoS hadn't made inflated claims to be everybody's spokesmen. I'll bet Broughton would too.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40220.msg1104052#msg1104052 date=1273686948]
I'd have more sympathy for that if SoS hadn't made inflated claims to be everybody's spokesmen. I'll bet Broughton would too.
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I don't think that matters so much as their decision to get a tiny bit of short term attention by publishing private minutes that looked as though they were transcribed by a 12 year old. That was always going to cost them access.

They need to pick their battles, but Brendan has a fair point, even though I don't think they've had any impact whatsoever on their main cause, they are fighting the good fight, very badly.
 
Broughton doesn't give a fuck who they are, what they want, or what they claim to represent

That's his prerogative

He doesn't care about any LFC fans, SOS or otherwise
 
There should be a more legitimate, respected fan group that SoS, and the fact that there isn't reflects badly on all of us.
 
SOS have really good intentions but they attract far too many loonies for my liking.
 
It would be ace if they had a mysterious shadowy leader who had never been photographed, but liked David James a lot
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40220.msg1104071#msg1104071 date=1273688607]
It would be ace if they had a mysterious shadowy leader who had never been photographed, but liked David James a lot
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HAHAHAHAHA! And sits in the 305?
 
Look Broughton's right to put his energies where they are needed, rather than listening to more of the same and doing a tour of the tossers.

We all know what needs to happen - points 1 and 2 are essential, 3, 4 are most likely and 5 who knows

1 New owners
2 New owners need to commit to new stadium
3 New owners need to commit funds for player purchases
4 Debt needs to be wiped clean or made lower
and
5 Bring in a new manager

There's not much else to be discussed. Get the job done before the talent is gone out the door!
 
"These things are best kept out of the public domain. If the public know what you're doing then they'll know what you're doing wrong."

Sir Humphrey Appleby.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=40220.msg1104068#msg1104068 date=1273688447]
SOS have really good intentions but they attract far too many loonies for my liking.

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Haha.

I think I see what you did there. Nice one Sunny!
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=40220.msg1104097#msg1104097 date=1273691910]
"These things are best kept out of the public domain. If the public know what you're doing then they'll know what you're doing wrong."

Sir Humphrey Appleby.
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Very wise words. He was full of wisdom, Humpy was.
 
I agree with Brendan in a way (although I'm surprised he said it) that *someone* needs to hold all these capitalist adventurers to account in their dealings with our club, and I don't trust Broughton one inch, BUT... fucking hell, the first part of that SoS letter was straight out of the People's Front of Judea manifesto! They need a sense of humour and bit of style if they're going to represent Liverpool supporters.
 
My mum was waking past the ground today and dropped her shopping and her handbag. Martin Broughton saw this from his office window and shouted 'can you manage love?'. Me ma shouted back 'fuck off, I wouldn't touch that job with a shitty stick'.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40220.msg1104127#msg1104127 date=1273695482]
I agree with Brendan in a way (although I'm surprised he said it) that *someone* needs to hold all these capitalist adventurers to account in their dealings with our club, and I don't trust Broughton one inch, BUT... fucking hell, the first part of that SoS letter was straight out of the People's Front of Judea manifesto! They need a sense of humour and bit of style if they're going to represent Liverpool supporters.

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Hahaha. They do possess a kind of "we're so different and we are the one and only true voice of Liverpool fans" attitude. Which actually, they're not. They have good intentions as I say but not a God given right to be able to speak to the board. I think one of their long term aims is to have one of them on the board. Dream on.
 
And i am glad someone finally has told these rebels to keep their noses out. Why should they be privvy to any other information or be more involved than all the supporters groups?
 
[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=40220.msg1104128#msg1104128 date=1273695635]
My mum was waking past the ground today and dropped her shopping and her handbag. Martin Broughton saw this from his office window and shouted 'can you manage love?'. Me ma shouted back 'fuck off, I wouldn't touch that job with a shitty stick'.
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Ha!
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40220.msg1104133#msg1104133 date=1273695891]
Keeping our noses out has served the fans well recently
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So what exactly are YOU doing about it, Brendan? Or is sneering at the sneerers as far as it goes?
 
[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=40220.msg1104131#msg1104131 date=1273695771]
And i am glad someone finally has told these rebels to keep their noses out. Why should they be privvy to any other information or be more involved than all the supporters groups?
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Because they are SOS that's why. There's too much "information" bandied about as it is. I'm glad Broughton is doing his dealings behind the doors. THAT was always the "Liverpool Way" - not constant shite, differences of opinions and washing of our dirty linen in front of the media and ultimately everyone else.
 
I'm just pointing out that I don't think SOS deserve quite so much sneering, because nobody else is doing anything at all

Hope that's clear enough for you
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40220.msg1104133#msg1104133 date=1273695891]
Keeping our noses out has served the fans well recently
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And putting them in and has had fuck all effect as well.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40220.msg1104138#msg1104138 date=1273696067]
I'm just pointing out that I don't think SOS deserve quite so much sneering, because nobody else is doing anything at all

Hope that's clear enough for you
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Like I say they have good intentions but ulitmately their efforts are pointless. I think they do some really good work like community football with kids, cheap travel for supporters etc.. but attempting to get themselves entrenched with boardroom and ownership dealings, whilst well intentioned, is completely naive. The owners do not give a FUCK about SOS or any other supporter group. That is, until it starts hitting them hard in the pocket. The only way to do that is by boycotting season tickets, matches and merchandise. Thats never going to happen as ultimately it damages the club further and no fan wants that. They should be sneered at for trying though - you're right on that. It's just their methods are sometimes questionable and, in the grand scheme of things, fruitless.
 
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