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Bottle, Losing Mentality, Nerve

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Farkmaster

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It's all a load of nonsense.

Our team isn't mentally fragile, or if it is, it's largely irrelevant; it is footballingly fragile.

Suarez has been relied upon the entire season, and he absolutely should not have been playing against Oldham, in my opinion. Rotation was given some weird connotation by the idiot press, but you never see criticism from the other side of it. Suarez is not sharp because he's completely fucking exhausted. Too much of our play relies on Suarez, and his featuring on the left the other day completely burned him out given the run of games and international play. Many teams have players that contribute a massive percentage of their goals, but these players need their game time managed, as they are our most precious resource.

Without him, our attacking threat comes from our width, as Shelvey isn't capable of the same kind of interplay with Suarez as Sturridge is, particularly when Suarez is off. Speaking of that width, while Downing looked good today, if we're relying upon Downing, Sterling, Johnson, et al to score goals, we'll often be disappointed. It's a story we've seen before.

The reason why we are flat track bullies is because we play a fairly expansive attacking style that if we can get a goal up, or are given some space, begins to take on a momentum of its own as the opposition chases the game or gives up. Against decent teams, unless we get a goal, discipline and pressing can frustrate us. We don't have the technical ability to constantly retain the ball, and our passing tempo is frustrated by better defenders.

Worse, when we lose the ball, we can be carved open by the most basic of counter play. There is ample space behind our midfield when our possession breaks down, and our one on one defending, which is not a position you want to be in anyway, is god awful. Even worse, we are easy to score against with any sort of set piece.

If you don't have enough depth in attacking talent, and are overreliant on the form of one or two players, and you are easy to score on on the counter or from a set piece, there's only one to play against you. West Brom did it this time, but there have been too many humiliations to even remember at this point.
 
How can you say mentality is Sport isn't important. We are mentally weak, it's a huge problem for us, ability wise you can see so many games where we've out played the opposition but silly mistakes cost us the points, partly it's down to the fact that we have no bottle.

But yeah we also can't defend which is a big part of the problem
 
Mentality is one thing. There have been plenty of occasions where teams dominated games but failed to score. But when you can't defend for toffee, it's a different story.
 
How can you say mentality is Sport isn't important. We are mentally weak, it's a huge problem for us, ability wise you can see so many games where we've out played the opposition but silly mistakes cost us the points, partly it's down to the fact that we have no bottle.

But yeah we also can't defend which is a big part of the problem

You can't say it, which is why I didn't.

But what do we need to work on? If you are rogers how do you approach this? Do you work on instilling belief in your team, or do you make them work on set piece defense after analyzing the tape (there are plenty) and resolving it.

There's technical specific work to be done. Let all the pundits talk about belief and that shit, we should be looking at tape and have a very concrete set of responses to our repeated failures, within the game of football.
 
You can't say it, which is why I didn't.

But what do we need to work on? If you are rogers how do you approach this? Do you work on instilling belief in your team, or do you make them work on set piece defense after analyzing the tape (there are plenty) and resolving it.

There's technical specific work to be done. Let all the pundits talk about belief and that shit, we should be looking at tape and have a very concrete set of responses to our repeated failures, within the game of football.
I think there's only so much a manager can do to make a team believe in itself. Therefore his priority should be to sort out our shambles that's supposed to be our central defence. How he's supposed to go about this, I have no idea. But he's the manager. It's his responsibility.
 
We're physically weak too, which is a massive factor. We need winners in two crucial positions in the team (we need them all over but anyway), at centre back and in central midfield, we have no one there with authority. Having that reliance and backbone (and authority) allows the rest of the side to function and continue with their respective jobs. Of course we should be able to defend as a unit - the system is too open and I've said that since the first day, we get picked off too easily, particularly at home, but for situations like the corner we need someone who will boss the ball and the opposition, in that respect we're just too fucking nice.

It's like the reverse of the issue we had with Rafa, we needed quality in attack and that warranted sacrificing some of our defensive ability as a team perhaps. Now we have a fair few attacking options but no real power behind that to be the building block for it to flourish, trepidation creeps in when we fail to hit a break through and ultimately when we ask for a solid foundation to back us up, we crumble like a bunch of amateurs.
 
Nerve, bottle or mentality.
I know one thing for sure, I'm sick to death about football and the whole Rodgers debate.
Hopefully he gets at least one more season to prove himself. And someone has a transfer plan to bring in a bit of physical and strenght to the side.
Lucas and Agger looked like the Liverpool ladies yesterday.
We need to win ugly and scrappy and dont concede stupid goals.
Agger has cost us 4 goals in the last games, that needs adressing.

At the moment though, a big fuck off to football
 
There is no debate about him getting another season or not... but for gods sake it must be allowed to debate were we are heading and how to change things around a bit?

And what is there to prove for him. He has implemented his system that makes us a blueprint of last years Swansea. Able to play some very good football, get a glourious result or two against top teams and well in route for a top half finish. People wanted to look like Swansea and we do.
 
Erm in case you haven't noticed, Swansea is slightly above us in the table.

And play better football than us too. And oh, we have failed to beat any of the teams higher than us too.

Just thought I'd let you know.
 
I've learned it's best never to argue with someone who don't talk no sense whatsoever. So yeah, as you were....

Swansea has made good progress after Rodgers left! Good for them. Rodgers even tried to take some credit for that after we drew against them. "They have been able to play the same system for a while now!". Well we have played his system for a little while now, and we do look what they looked like last season.
 
We need to learn to win ugly more.

Most of the games we have won this season we have been excellent.

You cant account for the captain missing a penalty in last 15 minutes in front of the kop.
 
We need to learn to win ugly more.

Most of the games we have won this season we have been excellent.

You cant account for the captain missing a penalty in last 15 minutes in front of the kop.

We have had some excellent wins this season. Played very good footie, and looked like we could go on to something big. But the problem is that all these victories has come against poor opposition with no steel and no pressure. It seem to be too easy to play us down, and stop us from being good. When teams come out and snap our ancles a little bit, we loose the rythm and we stop the pass and move and get over to roll it safely sideways.

No you cant account for missing a penalty in front of the kop, but we have missed the last 4 at Anfield, hence you cant expect it to go in either can you??
 
We have had some excellent wins this season. Played very good footie, and looked like we could go on to something big. But the problem is that all these victories has come against poor opposition with no steel and no pressure. It seem to be too easy to play us down, and stop us from being good. When teams come out and snap our ancles a little bit, we loose the rythm and we stop the pass and move and get over to roll it safely sideways.

No you cant account for missing a penalty in front of the kop, but we have missed the last 4 at Anfield, hence you cant expect it to go in either can you??

Who else would you have wanted to take that penalty kick at the time?

We of course need to beat teams above us though this will improve as the team matures.
 
If SG wasn't there, wonder who would have stepped up as no other obvious candidates?

Don't see Luis take them often.
 
Luis is on fire this season. He should able to score on that one. Afterall it is not much worse than taking the kick off.
 
I fear the staff holds the same opinion as Farky and others in this thread, that would explain why the obvious lack of mental fortitude in the side still haven't been addressed.
 
We have some fast players now but fast play is no good if you combine that with slow thinking. Everything the team did yesterday was so slow, so laboured, so predictable all the players may as well have had roots instead of feet.
 
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