Benitez paying for lack of funds
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yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
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You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
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Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.
I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
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We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
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I just wonder what difference it would have made to our start to the season if £20mil had been invested in our squad last summer.
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We spent 20 million on a central midfielder who was crocked for fucking ages.
You know what, I don't mind having a serious debate/argument with people but this is becoming a joke. Divs are being stubborn for stubborn sake. Enjoy the rest ot the season. I really can't be arsed arguing it all. Bye.
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Fair enough Sheiky, but i don't think i'm alone in thinking a little bit more than £0 investment last summer would have helped us out this season.
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He spent 20 million pound on a player who was unavailable for 3 months. That is an indisputable fact and I'm not going to sit here and argue til I'm blue in the face otherwise. I don't mind people standing their ground but to deny this for the sake of devilment is fucking frustrating. I can't be arsed arguing it anymore Raf. It's boring and on reflection I've got more going on in my life than to worry about a person who is being paid handsomely to make a load of kids knock a bit of leather about.
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
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You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
[/quote]
Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.
I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
[/quote]
We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
[/quote]
I just wonder what difference it would have made to our start to the season if £20mil had been invested in our squad last summer.
[/quote]
We spent 20 million on a central midfielder who was crocked for fucking ages.
You know what, I don't mind having a serious debate/argument with people but this is becoming a joke. Divs are being stubborn for stubborn sake. Enjoy the rest ot the season. I really can't be arsed arguing it all. Bye.
[/quote]
Fair enough Sheiky, but i don't think i'm alone in thinking a little bit more than £0 investment last summer would have helped us out this season.
[/quote]
He spent 20 million pound on a player who was unavailable for 3 months. That is an indisputable fact and I'm not going to sit here and argue til I'm blue in the face otherwise. I don't mind people standing their ground but to deny this for the sake of devilment is fucking frustrating. I can't be arsed arguing it anymore Raf. It's boring and on reflection I've got more going on in my life than to worry about a person who is being paid handsomely to make a load of kids knock a bit of leather about.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36866.msg976247#msg976247 date=1257037145]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976245#msg976245 date=1257036990]
150 million on players in 3 seasons mate. how much more did u want?
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It's about £32m net in 3 seasons Rage.
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this is not a net or gross argument. he has had available in 3 seasons 150 million pounds to spend on players.
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Ok, I'll bite. Why isn't is a net or gross argument?
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976245#msg976245 date=1257036990]
150 million on players in 3 seasons mate. how much more did u want?
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It's about £32m net in 3 seasons Rage.
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this is not a net or gross argument. he has had available in 3 seasons 150 million pounds to spend on players.
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Ok, I'll bite. Why isn't is a net or gross argument?
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976249#msg976249 date=1257037452]
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976245#msg976245 date=1257036990]
150 million on players in 3 seasons mate. how much more did u want?
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It's about £32m net in 3 seasons Rage.
[/quote]
this is not a net or gross argument. he has had available in 3 seasons 150 million pounds to spend on players.
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Ok, I'll bite. Why isn't is a net or gross argument?
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I'd be extremely grateful if someone could delete my account.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36866.msg976247#msg976247 date=1257037145]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976245#msg976245 date=1257036990]
150 million on players in 3 seasons mate. how much more did u want?
[/quote]
It's about £32m net in 3 seasons Rage.
[/quote]
this is not a net or gross argument. he has had available in 3 seasons 150 million pounds to spend on players.
[/quote]
Ok, I'll bite. Why isn't is a net or gross argument?
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I'd be extremely grateful if someone could delete my account.
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
[/quote]
You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
[/quote]
Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.
I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
[/quote]
We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
[/quote]
I just wonder what difference it would have made to our start to the season if £20mil had been invested in our squad last summer.
[/quote]
We spent 20 million on a central midfielder who was crocked for fucking ages.
You know what, I don't mind having a serious debate/argument with people but this is becoming a joke. Divs are being stubborn for stubborn sake. Enjoy the rest ot the season. I really can't be arsed arguing it all. Bye.
[/quote]
Fair enough Sheiky, but i don't think i'm alone in thinking a little bit more than £0 investment last summer would have helped us out this season.
[/quote]
He spent 20 million pound on a player who was unavailable for 3 months. That is an indisputable fact and I'm not going to sit here and argue til I'm blue in the face otherwise. I don't mind people standing their ground but to deny this for the sake of devilment is fucking frustrating. I can't be arsed arguing it anymore Raf. It's boring and on reflection I've got more going on in my life than to worry about a person who is being paid handsomely to make a load of kids knock a bit of leather about.
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I don't think i've even mentioned the signing of Aquilani in this thread, all i was saying is that a lack of funds last summer (imo) has played it's part in this seasons results so far.
You're reading my posts with last season in mind.
But hey fair enough, i'll leave you to it mate
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
[/quote]
You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
[/quote]
Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.
I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
[/quote]
We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
[/quote]
I just wonder what difference it would have made to our start to the season if £20mil had been invested in our squad last summer.
[/quote]
We spent 20 million on a central midfielder who was crocked for fucking ages.
You know what, I don't mind having a serious debate/argument with people but this is becoming a joke. Divs are being stubborn for stubborn sake. Enjoy the rest ot the season. I really can't be arsed arguing it all. Bye.
[/quote]
Fair enough Sheiky, but i don't think i'm alone in thinking a little bit more than £0 investment last summer would have helped us out this season.
[/quote]
He spent 20 million pound on a player who was unavailable for 3 months. That is an indisputable fact and I'm not going to sit here and argue til I'm blue in the face otherwise. I don't mind people standing their ground but to deny this for the sake of devilment is fucking frustrating. I can't be arsed arguing it anymore Raf. It's boring and on reflection I've got more going on in my life than to worry about a person who is being paid handsomely to make a load of kids knock a bit of leather about.
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I don't think i've even mentioned the signing of Aquilani in this thread, all i was saying is that a lack of funds last summer (imo) has played it's part in this seasons results so far.
You're reading my posts with last season in mind.
But hey fair enough, i'll leave you to it mate
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yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
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You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
[/quote]
Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.
I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
[/quote]
We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
[/quote]
I just wonder what difference it would have made to our start to the season if £20mil had been invested in our squad last summer.
[/quote]
We spent 20 million on a central midfielder who was crocked for fucking ages.
You know what, I don't mind having a serious debate/argument with people but this is becoming a joke. Divs are being stubborn for stubborn sake. Enjoy the rest ot the season. I really can't be arsed arguing it all. Bye.
[/quote]
Fair enough Sheiky, but i don't think i'm alone in thinking a little bit more than £0 investment last summer would have helped us out this season.
[/quote]
He spent 20 million pound on a player who was unavailable for 3 months. That is an indisputable fact and I'm not going to sit here and argue til I'm blue in the face otherwise. I don't mind people standing their ground but to deny this for the sake of devilment is fucking frustrating. I can't be arsed arguing it anymore Raf. It's boring and on reflection I've got more going on in my life than to worry about a person who is being paid handsomely to make a load of kids knock a bit of leather about.
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It's certainly the fact. But he could come good and the cameo appearances seems to show he has quality. Rafa has had funding but to the same extend as Man Utd or Chelsea.
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976225#msg976225 date=1257035597]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
[/quote]
You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
[/quote]
Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.
I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
[/quote]
We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
[/quote]
I just wonder what difference it would have made to our start to the season if £20mil had been invested in our squad last summer.
[/quote]
We spent 20 million on a central midfielder who was crocked for fucking ages.
You know what, I don't mind having a serious debate/argument with people but this is becoming a joke. Divs are being stubborn for stubborn sake. Enjoy the rest ot the season. I really can't be arsed arguing it all. Bye.
[/quote]
Fair enough Sheiky, but i don't think i'm alone in thinking a little bit more than £0 investment last summer would have helped us out this season.
[/quote]
He spent 20 million pound on a player who was unavailable for 3 months. That is an indisputable fact and I'm not going to sit here and argue til I'm blue in the face otherwise. I don't mind people standing their ground but to deny this for the sake of devilment is fucking frustrating. I can't be arsed arguing it anymore Raf. It's boring and on reflection I've got more going on in my life than to worry about a person who is being paid handsomely to make a load of kids knock a bit of leather about.
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It's certainly the fact. But he could come good and the cameo appearances seems to show he has quality. Rafa has had funding but to the same extend as Man Utd or Chelsea.
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976249#msg976249 date=1257037452]
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976245#msg976245 date=1257036990]
150 million on players in 3 seasons mate. how much more did u want?
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It's about £32m net in 3 seasons Rage.
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this is not a net or gross argument. he has had available in 3 seasons 150 million pounds to spend on players.
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Ok, I'll bite. Why isn't is a net or gross argument?
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do you agree that rafa in the last 3 seasons has brought in players that we have/will pay c150 million pounds for?
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976245#msg976245 date=1257036990]
150 million on players in 3 seasons mate. how much more did u want?
[/quote]
It's about £32m net in 3 seasons Rage.
[/quote]
this is not a net or gross argument. he has had available in 3 seasons 150 million pounds to spend on players.
[/quote]
Ok, I'll bite. Why isn't is a net or gross argument?
[/quote]
do you agree that rafa in the last 3 seasons has brought in players that we have/will pay c150 million pounds for?
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976245#msg976245 date=1257036990]
150 million on players in 3 seasons mate. how much more did u want?
[/quote]
It's about £32m net in 3 seasons Rage.
[/quote]
this is not a net or gross argument. he has had available in 3 seasons 150 million pounds to spend on players.
[/quote]
Ok, I'll bite. Why isn't is a net or gross argument?
[/quote]
do you agree that rafa in the last 3 seasons has brought in players that we have/will pay c150 million pounds for?
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I don't know, I haven't kept upto date with every single pound spent.
It seems to me that he's had about 20 mil each season to buy in new players. He's sold to get extra funding. So this means it's a net spend rather than a gross of 150 million.
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976245#msg976245 date=1257036990]
150 million on players in 3 seasons mate. how much more did u want?
[/quote]
It's about £32m net in 3 seasons Rage.
[/quote]
this is not a net or gross argument. he has had available in 3 seasons 150 million pounds to spend on players.
[/quote]
Ok, I'll bite. Why isn't is a net or gross argument?
[/quote]
do you agree that rafa in the last 3 seasons has brought in players that we have/will pay c150 million pounds for?
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I don't know, I haven't kept upto date with every single pound spent.
It seems to me that he's had about 20 mil each season to buy in new players. He's sold to get extra funding. So this means it's a net spend rather than a gross of 150 million.
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976225#msg976225 date=1257035597]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
[/quote]
You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
[/quote]
Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.
I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
[/quote]
We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
[/quote]
I just wonder what difference it would have made to our start to the season if £20mil had been invested in our squad last summer.
[/quote]
We spent 20 million on a central midfielder who was crocked for fucking ages.
You know what, I don't mind having a serious debate/argument with people but this is becoming a joke. Divs are being stubborn for stubborn sake. Enjoy the rest ot the season. I really can't be arsed arguing it all. Bye.
[/quote]
Fair enough Sheiky, but i don't think i'm alone in thinking a little bit more than £0 investment last summer would have helped us out this season.
[/quote]
He spent 20 million pound on a player who was unavailable for 3 months. That is an indisputable fact and I'm not going to sit here and argue til I'm blue in the face otherwise. I don't mind people standing their ground but to deny this for the sake of devilment is fucking frustrating. I can't be arsed arguing it anymore Raf. It's boring and on reflection I've got more going on in my life than to worry about a person who is being paid handsomely to make a load of kids knock a bit of leather about.
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I don't think i've even mentioned the signing of Aquilani in this thread
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Well I think you should start thinking about it when you start moaning about Rafa's lack of funds.
"We're skint boo hoo"
But hey, we can afford to spend 20 million big ones on a player who isn't fit for a third of a season. It's not even funny trying to get this point across anymore as you'll go off on a tangent and blame someone else.
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
[/quote]
You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
[/quote]
Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.
I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
[/quote]
We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
[/quote]
I just wonder what difference it would have made to our start to the season if £20mil had been invested in our squad last summer.
[/quote]
We spent 20 million on a central midfielder who was crocked for fucking ages.
You know what, I don't mind having a serious debate/argument with people but this is becoming a joke. Divs are being stubborn for stubborn sake. Enjoy the rest ot the season. I really can't be arsed arguing it all. Bye.
[/quote]
Fair enough Sheiky, but i don't think i'm alone in thinking a little bit more than £0 investment last summer would have helped us out this season.
[/quote]
He spent 20 million pound on a player who was unavailable for 3 months. That is an indisputable fact and I'm not going to sit here and argue til I'm blue in the face otherwise. I don't mind people standing their ground but to deny this for the sake of devilment is fucking frustrating. I can't be arsed arguing it anymore Raf. It's boring and on reflection I've got more going on in my life than to worry about a person who is being paid handsomely to make a load of kids knock a bit of leather about.
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I don't think i've even mentioned the signing of Aquilani in this thread
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Well I think you should start thinking about it when you start moaning about Rafa's lack of funds.
"We're skint boo hoo"
But hey, we can afford to spend 20 million big ones on a player who isn't fit for a third of a season. It's not even funny trying to get this point across anymore as you'll go off on a tangent and blame someone else.
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976245#msg976245 date=1257036990]
150 million on players in 3 seasons mate. how much more did u want?
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It's about £32m net in 3 seasons Rage.
[/quote]
this is not a net or gross argument. he has had available in 3 seasons 150 million pounds to spend on players.
[/quote]
Ok, I'll bite. Why isn't is a net or gross argument?
[/quote]
do you agree that rafa in the last 3 seasons has brought in players that we have/will pay c150 million pounds for?
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I don't know, I haven't kept upto date with every single pound spent.
It seems to me that he's had about 20 mil each season to buy in new players. He's sold to get extra funding. So this means it's a net spend rather than a gross of 150 million.
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so you move the goalposts. i asked a simple question. its a simple yes or no.
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976245#msg976245 date=1257036990]
150 million on players in 3 seasons mate. how much more did u want?
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It's about £32m net in 3 seasons Rage.
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this is not a net or gross argument. he has had available in 3 seasons 150 million pounds to spend on players.
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Ok, I'll bite. Why isn't is a net or gross argument?
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do you agree that rafa in the last 3 seasons has brought in players that we have/will pay c150 million pounds for?
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I don't know, I haven't kept upto date with every single pound spent.
It seems to me that he's had about 20 mil each season to buy in new players. He's sold to get extra funding. So this means it's a net spend rather than a gross of 150 million.
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so you move the goalposts. i asked a simple question. its a simple yes or no.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976262#msg976262 date=1257038116]
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976241#msg976241 date=1257036565]
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976228#msg976228 date=1257035909]
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976225#msg976225 date=1257035597]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
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You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
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Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.
I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
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We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
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I just wonder what difference it would have made to our start to the season if £20mil had been invested in our squad last summer.
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We spent 20 million on a central midfielder who was crocked for fucking ages.
You know what, I don't mind having a serious debate/argument with people but this is becoming a joke. Divs are being stubborn for stubborn sake. Enjoy the rest ot the season. I really can't be arsed arguing it all. Bye.
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Fair enough Sheiky, but i don't think i'm alone in thinking a little bit more than £0 investment last summer would have helped us out this season.
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He spent 20 million pound on a player who was unavailable for 3 months. That is an indisputable fact and I'm not going to sit here and argue til I'm blue in the face otherwise. I don't mind people standing their ground but to deny this for the sake of devilment is fucking frustrating. I can't be arsed arguing it anymore Raf. It's boring and on reflection I've got more going on in my life than to worry about a person who is being paid handsomely to make a load of kids knock a bit of leather about.
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I don't think i've even mentioned the signing of Aquilani in this thread
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Well I think you should start thinking about it when you start moaning about Rafa's lack of funds.
"We're skint boo hoo"
But hey, we can afford to spend 20 million big ones on a player who isn't fit for a third of a season. It's not even funny trying to get this point across anymore as you'll go off on a tangent and blame someone else.
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Let me say it one more time.
RAFA HAS TO TAKE HIS FAIR SHARE OF THE BLAME FOR THIS SEASONS RESULTS. WETHER THATS FOR TRANSFERS OR TEAM SELECTIONS ETC ETC.
All i asked was wether you thought a lack of funds has played any part in this seasons results, which you answered "no" to. Personally i think if we'd spent just the usual £16-£20mil net last summer we'd be in a better position now.
I'm not being stubborn or sucking Rafas cock, i'm just stating what i happen to think is a fact.
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976228#msg976228 date=1257035909]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36866.msg976227#msg976227 date=1257035759]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976225#msg976225 date=1257035597]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
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You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
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Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.
I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
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We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
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I just wonder what difference it would have made to our start to the season if £20mil had been invested in our squad last summer.
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We spent 20 million on a central midfielder who was crocked for fucking ages.
You know what, I don't mind having a serious debate/argument with people but this is becoming a joke. Divs are being stubborn for stubborn sake. Enjoy the rest ot the season. I really can't be arsed arguing it all. Bye.
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Fair enough Sheiky, but i don't think i'm alone in thinking a little bit more than £0 investment last summer would have helped us out this season.
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He spent 20 million pound on a player who was unavailable for 3 months. That is an indisputable fact and I'm not going to sit here and argue til I'm blue in the face otherwise. I don't mind people standing their ground but to deny this for the sake of devilment is fucking frustrating. I can't be arsed arguing it anymore Raf. It's boring and on reflection I've got more going on in my life than to worry about a person who is being paid handsomely to make a load of kids knock a bit of leather about.
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I don't think i've even mentioned the signing of Aquilani in this thread
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Well I think you should start thinking about it when you start moaning about Rafa's lack of funds.
"We're skint boo hoo"
But hey, we can afford to spend 20 million big ones on a player who isn't fit for a third of a season. It's not even funny trying to get this point across anymore as you'll go off on a tangent and blame someone else.
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Let me say it one more time.
RAFA HAS TO TAKE HIS FAIR SHARE OF THE BLAME FOR THIS SEASONS RESULTS. WETHER THATS FOR TRANSFERS OR TEAM SELECTIONS ETC ETC.
All i asked was wether you thought a lack of funds has played any part in this seasons results, which you answered "no" to. Personally i think if we'd spent just the usual £16-£20mil net last summer we'd be in a better position now.
I'm not being stubborn or sucking Rafas cock, i'm just stating what i happen to think is a fact.
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976245#msg976245 date=1257036990]
150 million on players in 3 seasons mate. how much more did u want?
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It's about £32m net in 3 seasons Rage.
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this is not a net or gross argument. he has had available in 3 seasons 150 million pounds to spend on players.
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Ok, I'll bite. Why isn't is a net or gross argument?
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do you agree that rafa in the last 3 seasons has brought in players that we have/will pay c150 million pounds for?
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I don't know, I haven't kept upto date with every single pound spent.
It seems to me that he's had about 20 mil each season to buy in new players. He's sold to get extra funding. So this means it's a net spend rather than a gross of 150 million.
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so you move the goalposts. i asked a simple question. its a simple yes or no.
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No, no goal posts moved here. I said I don't know. If you reckon it's yes - list how 150 million was spent? Also, answer why it's not a net or gross argument like I asked you (moving goal posts yourself I see.)
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36866.msg976247#msg976247 date=1257037145]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976245#msg976245 date=1257036990]
150 million on players in 3 seasons mate. how much more did u want?
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It's about £32m net in 3 seasons Rage.
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this is not a net or gross argument. he has had available in 3 seasons 150 million pounds to spend on players.
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Ok, I'll bite. Why isn't is a net or gross argument?
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do you agree that rafa in the last 3 seasons has brought in players that we have/will pay c150 million pounds for?
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I don't know, I haven't kept upto date with every single pound spent.
It seems to me that he's had about 20 mil each season to buy in new players. He's sold to get extra funding. So this means it's a net spend rather than a gross of 150 million.
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so you move the goalposts. i asked a simple question. its a simple yes or no.
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No, no goal posts moved here. I said I don't know. If you reckon it's yes - list how 150 million was spent? Also, answer why it's not a net or gross argument like I asked you (moving goal posts yourself I see.)
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976272#msg976272 date=1257039083]
ok i'll word it differently
c150 million pounds worth of players have joined the club in the last 3 seasons. that is as rafa would say a fact!
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To that I would say that 90 million worth of players has left. Leaving a net of 60 million for the last 3 seasons. Obviously, that's 20 million a season. So there's been funding but not to the level that Man Utd or Chelsea can and has spent.
ok i'll word it differently
c150 million pounds worth of players have joined the club in the last 3 seasons. that is as rafa would say a fact!
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To that I would say that 90 million worth of players has left. Leaving a net of 60 million for the last 3 seasons. Obviously, that's 20 million a season. So there's been funding but not to the level that Man Utd or Chelsea can and has spent.
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[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36866.msg976108#msg976108 date=1257019135]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=36866.msg976101#msg976101 date=1257018778]
In "The Times" on Saturdays there's a column by a bloke called Daniel Finkelstein, who's normally a politics commentator/writer but follows footy as well. In it he discusses various aspects of the game, but with a difference - he and a group of statisticians do a lot of number-crunching and look at what the cold, hard numbers have to say. They accept that stats don't always tell the whole story, but it's interesting to see what happens when a group of qualified boffins apply hard statistical science to the opinions current in the game.
Today's article discusses how we've done over the past couple of seasons, says our start this season is more in line with what the numbers would suggest, and ends like this:
"Three things seem worth mentioning. First, they have stayed steady in quality but have changed with their defence getting weaker and their attack getting stronger. They are letting in a large proportion of the shots on goal. They need to put this right.
Second, Xabi Alonso was, next only to Steven Gerrard, their best player. It was a disaster to lose him to Real Madrid.
But most importantly - the money. Our figures show that Benitez outperforms the wage bill. Blame the Americans. Not Rafa."
What does everyone reckon to that then?
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I'd say there will be a mob of angry pitch fork wielding SCMer's at his door claiming he's wrong and trying to burn the heretic!
It's ALL Rafa's fault. Come on, get with the programme.
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Haha.
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I think the problem is some blame no one but Rafa, and others blame everyone but Rafa.
That's why we have these 2 camps here when we really shouldnt.
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=36866.msg976108#msg976108 date=1257019135]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=36866.msg976101#msg976101 date=1257018778]
In "The Times" on Saturdays there's a column by a bloke called Daniel Finkelstein, who's normally a politics commentator/writer but follows footy as well. In it he discusses various aspects of the game, but with a difference - he and a group of statisticians do a lot of number-crunching and look at what the cold, hard numbers have to say. They accept that stats don't always tell the whole story, but it's interesting to see what happens when a group of qualified boffins apply hard statistical science to the opinions current in the game.
Today's article discusses how we've done over the past couple of seasons, says our start this season is more in line with what the numbers would suggest, and ends like this:
"Three things seem worth mentioning. First, they have stayed steady in quality but have changed with their defence getting weaker and their attack getting stronger. They are letting in a large proportion of the shots on goal. They need to put this right.
Second, Xabi Alonso was, next only to Steven Gerrard, their best player. It was a disaster to lose him to Real Madrid.
But most importantly - the money. Our figures show that Benitez outperforms the wage bill. Blame the Americans. Not Rafa."
What does everyone reckon to that then?
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I'd say there will be a mob of angry pitch fork wielding SCMer's at his door claiming he's wrong and trying to burn the heretic!
It's ALL Rafa's fault. Come on, get with the programme.
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Haha.
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I think the problem is some blame no one but Rafa, and others blame everyone but Rafa.
That's why we have these 2 camps here when we really shouldnt.
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976228#msg976228 date=1257035909]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36866.msg976227#msg976227 date=1257035759]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976225#msg976225 date=1257035597]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
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You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
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Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.
I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
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We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
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I just wonder what difference it would have made to our start to the season if £20mil had been invested in our squad last summer.
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Depends on whether he'd blow it on another crap player or not.
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976225#msg976225 date=1257035597]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
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You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
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Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.
I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
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We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
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I just wonder what difference it would have made to our start to the season if £20mil had been invested in our squad last summer.
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Depends on whether he'd blow it on another crap player or not.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=36866.msg976282#msg976282 date=1257047402]
I think the problem is some blame no one but Rafa, and others blame everyone but Rafa.
That's why we have these 2 camps here when we really shouldnt.
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I think though people tend to get polarized, the vast majority of people on this site understand that there are issues at every level of the club.
I think the problem is some blame no one but Rafa, and others blame everyone but Rafa.
That's why we have these 2 camps here when we really shouldnt.
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I think though people tend to get polarized, the vast majority of people on this site understand that there are issues at every level of the club.
This thread is full of a LOT of shit posts. I know everyone is all grrr I'm so angry right now, but still.
It's completely disingenuous to say that Rafa had 40M to spend, as though the owners handed him a cheque for that amount at the start of the summer and said "Go on, improve last seasons squad".
We lost our first choice RB at a time when most thought we needed another RB anyways and at a time when a bit of forward planning for the new homegrown rules is unfortunately required. Far wealthier clubs than ourselves got involved and we ended up paying a premium for one of the few available English players that could make our first team. Everyone was jizzing over this transfer when we were winning. But say we didn't get Johnson and had bought someone one else. Who? Fullbacks are going for a lot of money these days and we needed first team material. It's not always possible to get an Arbeloa for next to nothing. But again, say we did. How much more would have honestly been given to Rafa to invest? 10M at the most? How many gaps would that have filled?
I don't think we even need to talk about the Aquilani money because that came from one place and one place only - the Alonso fee. You can question the fact that we bought an injured player, as Sheik rightly has, but again, to start going on as though we've spent *another* 20M is ludicrous given that the one and only reason for doing so is to replace a 20M+ first team player.
The squad is in it's current state because of previous summers (2008 in particular), not this one just gone. Managers do it get wrong at times, but there are also times when the board has to recognize this and provide some money to help nudge the club back on the right track. This summer *everyone* was expecting at the very least a decent investment in the team and we didn't get it. There was surprise all round at our transfer activity or lack there of and there is no point pretending that didn't happen now.
It's completely disingenuous to say that Rafa had 40M to spend, as though the owners handed him a cheque for that amount at the start of the summer and said "Go on, improve last seasons squad".
We lost our first choice RB at a time when most thought we needed another RB anyways and at a time when a bit of forward planning for the new homegrown rules is unfortunately required. Far wealthier clubs than ourselves got involved and we ended up paying a premium for one of the few available English players that could make our first team. Everyone was jizzing over this transfer when we were winning. But say we didn't get Johnson and had bought someone one else. Who? Fullbacks are going for a lot of money these days and we needed first team material. It's not always possible to get an Arbeloa for next to nothing. But again, say we did. How much more would have honestly been given to Rafa to invest? 10M at the most? How many gaps would that have filled?
I don't think we even need to talk about the Aquilani money because that came from one place and one place only - the Alonso fee. You can question the fact that we bought an injured player, as Sheik rightly has, but again, to start going on as though we've spent *another* 20M is ludicrous given that the one and only reason for doing so is to replace a 20M+ first team player.
The squad is in it's current state because of previous summers (2008 in particular), not this one just gone. Managers do it get wrong at times, but there are also times when the board has to recognize this and provide some money to help nudge the club back on the right track. This summer *everyone* was expecting at the very least a decent investment in the team and we didn't get it. There was surprise all round at our transfer activity or lack there of and there is no point pretending that didn't happen now.
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This thread is full of a LOT of shit posts. I know everyone is all grrr I'm so angry right now, but still.
It's completely disingenuous to say that Rafa had 40M to spend, as though the owners handed him a cheque for that amount at the start of the summer and said "Go on, improve last seasons squad".
We lost our first choice RB at a time when most thought we needed another RB anyways and at a time when a bit of forward planning for the new homegrown rules is unfortunately required. Far wealthier clubs than ourselves got involved and we ended up paying a premium for one of the few available English players that could make our first team. Everyone was jizzing over this transfer when we were winning. But say we didn't get Johnson and had bought someone one else. Who? Fullbacks are going for a lot of money these days and we needed first team material. It's not always possible to get an Arbeloa for next to nothing. But again, say we did. How much more would have honestly been given to Rafa to invest? 10M at the most? How many gaps would that have filled?
I don't think we even need to talk about the Aquilani money because that came from one place and one place only - the Alonso fee. You can question the fact that we bought an injured player, as Sheik rightly has, but again, to start going on as though we've spent *another* 20M is ludicrous given that the one and only reason for doing so is to replace a 20M+ first team player.
The squad is in it's current state because of previous summers (2008 in particular), not this one just gone. Managers do it get wrong at times, but there are also times when the board has to recognize this and provide some money to help nudge the club back on the right track. This summer *everyone* was expecting at the very least a decent investment in the team and we didn't get it. There was surprise all round at our transfer activity or lack there of and there is no point pretending that didn't happen now.
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That's a top post Keni.
This thread is full of a LOT of shit posts. I know everyone is all grrr I'm so angry right now, but still.
It's completely disingenuous to say that Rafa had 40M to spend, as though the owners handed him a cheque for that amount at the start of the summer and said "Go on, improve last seasons squad".
We lost our first choice RB at a time when most thought we needed another RB anyways and at a time when a bit of forward planning for the new homegrown rules is unfortunately required. Far wealthier clubs than ourselves got involved and we ended up paying a premium for one of the few available English players that could make our first team. Everyone was jizzing over this transfer when we were winning. But say we didn't get Johnson and had bought someone one else. Who? Fullbacks are going for a lot of money these days and we needed first team material. It's not always possible to get an Arbeloa for next to nothing. But again, say we did. How much more would have honestly been given to Rafa to invest? 10M at the most? How many gaps would that have filled?
I don't think we even need to talk about the Aquilani money because that came from one place and one place only - the Alonso fee. You can question the fact that we bought an injured player, as Sheik rightly has, but again, to start going on as though we've spent *another* 20M is ludicrous given that the one and only reason for doing so is to replace a 20M+ first team player.
The squad is in it's current state because of previous summers (2008 in particular), not this one just gone. Managers do it get wrong at times, but there are also times when the board has to recognize this and provide some money to help nudge the club back on the right track. This summer *everyone* was expecting at the very least a decent investment in the team and we didn't get it. There was surprise all round at our transfer activity or lack there of and there is no point pretending that didn't happen now.
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That's a top post Keni.
Yup great post Ken.
No one is absolving Rafa or the players (who ARE underperforming) of blame, the point to me seems to be that we KNEW and acknowledged we'd need luck in particular regarding Torres and Gerrard (two of the top 10 players in world football) and we just havnt had it.
We knew we needed extra attacking quality (and all sat up to 2 in the morning awaiting our last minute Lavezzi or Higuain) and we didnt get it.
We all knew Lucas wasnt good enough and hoped Aquilani would be back in these rumoured 6 weeks and it hasnt happened.
So ultimately we lost 3 good players and spent all our money replacing them. What else could rafa do?
Manchester city, Villa, Sunderland, birmingham, chelsea, stoke, wolves, bolton, fulham, burnley and west ham all outspent us this summer. What Else could Rafa do?
Half our first 11 is struggling for fitness. What else could Rafa do?
No one is absolving Rafa or the players (who ARE underperforming) of blame, the point to me seems to be that we KNEW and acknowledged we'd need luck in particular regarding Torres and Gerrard (two of the top 10 players in world football) and we just havnt had it.
We knew we needed extra attacking quality (and all sat up to 2 in the morning awaiting our last minute Lavezzi or Higuain) and we didnt get it.
We all knew Lucas wasnt good enough and hoped Aquilani would be back in these rumoured 6 weeks and it hasnt happened.
So ultimately we lost 3 good players and spent all our money replacing them. What else could rafa do?
Manchester city, Villa, Sunderland, birmingham, chelsea, stoke, wolves, bolton, fulham, burnley and west ham all outspent us this summer. What Else could Rafa do?
Half our first 11 is struggling for fitness. What else could Rafa do?
We all knew Lucas wasn't good enough?
Not quite true, given some of the smug drivel on here about him this season
Of course, anyone with a fucking *clue* knew he wasn't good enough, but let's not pretend plenty of blerts on this site and many others thought he was
Not quite true, given some of the smug drivel on here about him this season
Of course, anyone with a fucking *clue* knew he wasn't good enough, but let's not pretend plenty of blerts on this site and many others thought he was
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We all knew Lucas wasn't good enough?
Not quite true, given some of the smug drivel on here about him this season
Of course, anyone with a fucking *clue* knew he wasn't good enough, but let's not pretend plenty of blerts on this site and many others thought he was
[/quote]ha fair point.
We all knew Lucas wasn't good enough?
Not quite true, given some of the smug drivel on here about him this season
Of course, anyone with a fucking *clue* knew he wasn't good enough, but let's not pretend plenty of blerts on this site and many others thought he was
[/quote]ha fair point.
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