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Judge Jules

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In "The Times" on Saturdays there's a column by a bloke called Daniel Finkelstein, who's normally a politics commentator/writer but follows footy as well. In it he discusses various aspects of the game, but with a difference - he and a group of statisticians do a lot of number-crunching and look at what the cold, hard numbers have to say. They accept that stats don't always tell the whole story, but it's interesting to see what happens when a group of qualified boffins apply hard statistical science to the opinions current in the game.

Today's article discusses how we've done over the past couple of seasons, says our start this season is more in line with what the numbers would suggest, and ends like this:

"Three things seem worth mentioning. First, they have stayed steady in quality but have changed with their defence getting weaker and their attack getting stronger. They are letting in a large proportion of the shots on goal. They need to put this right.

Second, Xabi Alonso was, next only to Steven Gerrard, their best player. It was a disaster to lose him to Real Madrid.

But most importantly - the money. Our figures show that Benitez outperforms the wage bill. Blame the Americans. Not Rafa."

What does everyone reckon to that then?
 
Admittedly I wasn't expecting much in the way of argument about the first two, but if this forum's anything to go by there are plenty who would disagree about the third.
 
I think that we've had this discussion many times before and are not going to learn anything new by having it again.

I think it's fair to say that we should have a better squad than we do after six years, but the Americans needed to put in more money for this season.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=36866.msg976101#msg976101 date=1257018778]
In "The Times" on Saturdays there's a column by a bloke called Daniel Finkelstein, who's normally a politics commentator/writer but follows footy as well. In it he discusses various aspects of the game, but with a difference - he and a group of statisticians do a lot of number-crunching and look at what the cold, hard numbers have to say. They accept that stats don't always tell the whole story, but it's interesting to see what happens when a group of qualified boffins apply hard statistical science to the opinions current in the game.

Today's article discusses how we've done over the past couple of seasons, says our start this season is more in line with what the numbers would suggest, and ends like this:

"Three things seem worth mentioning. First, they have stayed steady in quality but have changed with their defence getting weaker and their attack getting stronger. They are letting in a large proportion of the shots on goal. They need to put this right.

Second, Xabi Alonso was, next only to Steven Gerrard, their best player. It was a disaster to lose him to Real Madrid.

But most importantly - the money. Our figures show that Benitez outperforms the wage bill. Blame the Americans. Not Rafa."

What does everyone reckon to that then?
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I'd say there will be a mob of angry pitch fork wielding SCMer's at his door claiming he's wrong and trying to burn the heretic!

It's ALL Rafa's fault. Come on, get with the programme.
 
Things is no-one on this site that can really comment of LFC and the Americans finances since none of us are privvy to them.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36866.msg976107#msg976107 date=1257019123]
I think that we've had this discussion many times before and are not going to learn anything new by having it again.

I think it's fair to say that we should have a better squad than we do after six years, but the Americans needed to put in more money for this season.
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The point the article makes is that that applies not just to the current season but also to the previous two at least.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=36866.msg976101#msg976101 date=1257018778]
In "The Times" on Saturdays there's a column by a bloke called Daniel Finkelstein, who's normally a politics commentator/writer but follows footy as well. In it he discusses various aspects of the game, but with a difference - he and a group of statisticians do a lot of number-crunching and look at what the cold, hard numbers have to say. They accept that stats don't always tell the whole story, but it's interesting to see what happens when a group of qualified boffins apply hard statistical science to the opinions current in the game.

Today's article discusses how we've done over the past couple of seasons, says our start this season is more in line with what the numbers would suggest, and ends like this:

"Three things seem worth mentioning. First, they have stayed steady in quality but have changed with their defence getting weaker and their attack getting stronger. They are letting in a large proportion of the shots on goal. They need to put this right.

Second, Xabi Alonso was, next only to Steven Gerrard, their best player. It was a disaster to lose him to Real Madrid.

But most importantly - the money. Our figures show that Benitez outperforms the wage bill. Blame the Americans. Not Rafa."

What does everyone reckon to that then?
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I'd say there will be a mob of angry pitch fork wielding SCMer's at his door claiming he's wrong and trying to burn the heretic!

It's ALL Rafa's fault. Come on, get with the programme.
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Haha.
 
[quote author=link=topic=36866.msg976101#msg976101 date=1257018778]Xabi Alonso was, next only to Steven Gerrard, their best player. [/quote]

Fernando Torres might have something to say about that
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36866.msg976109#msg976109 date=1257019201]
I'd absolutely love to see the figures.
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They did say "wage bill" which if it does ignore transfer fees, is probably correct, as far as I remember, Arsenal tend to have a larger wage bill than ourselves, we tend to be in fourth place, and possibly now even fifth.
 
Benitez is paying for a lack of funds?

Seriously?

I tell you what, while Grade A twats keeps spouting this absolute fucking guff and they are geting a serious audience then there's no hope.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976216#msg976216 date=1257035199]
Benitez is paying for a lack of funds?

Seriously?

I tell you what, while Grade A twats keeps spouting this absolute fucking guff and they are geting a serious audience then there's no hope.
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Do you not think that plays any part in it Sheiky?
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976216#msg976216 date=1257035199]
Benitez is paying for a lack of funds?

Seriously?

I tell you what, while Grade A twats keeps spouting this absolute fucking guff and they are geting a serious audience then there's no hope.
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Do you not think that plays any part in it Sheiky?
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No
 
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
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You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
 
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
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You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
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Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.

I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
 
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
[/quote]

You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
[/quote]

Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.

I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
[/quote]

We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=36866.msg976233#msg976233 date=1257036054]
Funds didn't blow it today, Rafa did.
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*Claps like a spazmoid in a room full of funky lights and whale noises*
 
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
[/quote]

You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
[/quote]

Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.

I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
[/quote]

We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
[/quote]

I just wonder what difference it would have made to our start to the season if £20mil had been invested in our squad last summer.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976225#msg976225 date=1257035597]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
[/quote]

You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
[/quote]

Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.

I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
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come on mate rafa spent 40 million pounds this summer. i'm not gonna get into a net or gross argument but he had the opportunity to spend 40 million on players. he bought a right back and a central midfielder crocked until november and a 4th choice greek with it.

last summer he spent over 40 million on doseena, riera, degan a reserve keeper and keane

the summer before he spent 40 million on torres, yossi, babel and some kids

somewhere in the middle of that he's spent 30 million on masch, skertel and agger.
 
he spent 34 million and sold the same in players

if he could have spent the Keane money we could have got Negredo or Higuain who both were available and scored today but we couldnt do that.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976225#msg976225 date=1257035597]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
[/quote]

You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
[/quote]

Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.

I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
[/quote]

We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
[/quote]

I just wonder what difference it would have made to our start to the season if £20mil had been invested in our squad last summer.




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We spent 20 million on a central midfielder who was crocked for fucking ages.

You know what, I don't mind having a serious debate/argument with people but this is becoming a joke. Divs are being stubborn for stubborn sake. Enjoy the rest ot the season. I really can't be arsed arguing it all. Bye.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976225#msg976225 date=1257035597]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
[/quote]

You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
[/quote]

Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.

I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
[/quote]

come on mate rafa spent 40 million pounds this summer. i'm not gonna get into a net or gross argument but he had the opportunity to spend 40 million on players. he bought a right back and a central midfielder crocked until november and a 4th choice greek with it.

last summer he spent over 40 million on doseena, riera, degan a reserve keeper and keane

the summer before he spent 40 million on torres, yossi, babel and some kids

somewhere in the middle of that he's spent 30 million on masch, skertel and agger.
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I'm fully aware of what he's spent and on who Rage, i'm just surprised that you and sheiky don't think that our lack of spending has played any part on this seasons results so far.

You can all say that LFC is about trophies (and i agree), but then again in the past we have never been a "sell before you can buy" club.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976228#msg976228 date=1257035909]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36866.msg976227#msg976227 date=1257035759]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36866.msg976225#msg976225 date=1257035597]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976221#msg976221 date=1257035519]
yes it was lack of funds that made him take torres and yossi off today and give up the game when we were drawing 1 all.
[/quote]

You're wasting your breath rage. It's someone else's fault.
[/quote]

Nobody has said it's all somebody elses fault.

I'm still amazed that you think that more of a investment in our playing staff wouldn't have helped this season though.
[/quote]

We invested 18 million big ones in a defender and started leaking goals like an 80 year old's knickers.
[/quote]

I just wonder what difference it would have made to our start to the season if £20mil had been invested in our squad last summer.




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We spent 20 million on a central midfielder who was crocked for fucking ages.

You know what, I don't mind having a serious debate/argument with people but this is becoming a joke. Divs are being stubborn for stubborn sake. Enjoy the rest ot the season. I really can't be arsed arguing it all. Bye.
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Fair enough Sheiky, but i don't think i'm alone in thinking a little bit more than £0 investment last summer would have helped us out this season.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=36866.msg976233#msg976233 date=1257036054]
Funds didn't blow it today, Rafa did.
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Rafas fault for the subs. Up there with the injuries to the team. Poor luck that Yossi strike hit the bar and poor ref decisions on the sending offs.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976245#msg976245 date=1257036990]
150 million on players in 3 seasons mate. how much more did u want?
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It's about £32m net in 3 seasons Rage.
 
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[quote author=rage link=topic=36866.msg976245#msg976245 date=1257036990]
150 million on players in 3 seasons mate. how much more did u want?
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It's about £32m net in 3 seasons Rage.
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this is not a net or gross argument. he has had available in 3 seasons 150 million pounds to spend on players.
 
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