Benitez: Mourinho not right for Real job

[Richey]

I think benitez would go if offered the Madrid job but he will be aware it will come up again.

As for whether he wants to stay, ideally I suspect yes but there must get to a point with everyone where the pressure gets too much. He can't have enjoyed last season at all.

 

[ILD]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40323.msg1106992#msg1106992 date=1274376965]
I don't think he signed either of those players, but could be wrong
[/quote]

Ranieri signed Robben and Cech right before Mourinho arrived.

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=40323.msg1107178#msg1107178 date=1274430524]
I think benitez would go if offered the Madrid job but he will be aware it will come up again.

As for whether he wants to stay, ideally I suspect yes but there must get to a point with everyone where the pressure gets too much. He can't have enjoyed last season at all.
[/quote]

I agree Rafa would probably like to manage Real one day but I'm not sure he'd go if the offer came tomorrow. He's that stubborn (and I suspect he's under that much pressure from his family) that I think he might well prefer to hang on here to try and win the league if he could, though much would depend on what kind of investment in the squad he managed to get out of the club during the negotiations.

 

[Richey]

Well ideally he probably does but he's deluded if he can't see the problems with our team. The fact that the owners are so unpopular gives him a useful potential get-out too

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40323.msg1107163#msg1107163 date=1274428184]
I don't. Rafa wants to stay, not least because of his family who are well settled in Liverpool.
[/quote]

Then he should stop courting other jobs and appreciate the very privileged contract he's been given.

 

[Holle]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40323.msg1107192#msg1107192 date=1274432862]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40323.msg1107163#msg1107163 date=1274428184]
I don't. Rafa wants to stay, not least because of his family who are well settled in Liverpool.
[/quote]

Then he should stop courting other jobs and appreciate the very privileged contract he's been given.
[/quote]

I think he does though.

 

[Squiggles]

I think if that were the case he would have: a) held his hands up and b) denied all interest in the Juve job straight away. Instead he chose to keep them interested and the media had a field day.

I'd like to say that his lack of commitment could have been harmful to squad morale, but equally it could be the uplifting news many of them needed.

 

[Holle]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40323.msg1107201#msg1107201 date=1274433887]
I think if that were the case he would have: a) held his hands up and b) denied all interest in the Juve job straight away. Instead he chose to keep them interested and the media had a field day.

I'd like to say that this could have been harmful to squad morale, but it could also have been the very opposite.
[/quote]

I see where you're coming from but I do think it's been less his fault than his agent's. I didn't see many direct quotes from Rafa himself to this matter.

And what did he do to keep them interested? I think it was more of laying pressure on our board.

 

[Holle]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40323.msg1106984#msg1106984 date=1274374151]
He'd have been in his element with the team of the 70s that included Souey and McDermott.

DWM, by "cavalier" I mean "placing heavy emphasis on attack". I'm sure Mourinho's a good enough coach to achieve that if he sees an advantage in doing so, but he's never prioritised it when he had the choice. Witness his falling-out with Abramovich over the issue.
[/quote]

With the squad he would inherit at Real Madrid he simply wouldn't have much other choice than to play more offensive than Inter for example. There aren't many exceptional defensive players there. So you may have a point there.

To play his preferred style of football he'd have to invest heavily in defensive players. I wonder how Real's board would react to that.

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=40323.msg1107205#msg1107205 date=1274434091]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40323.msg1107201#msg1107201 date=1274433887]
I think if that were the case he would have: a) held his hands up and b) denied all interest in the Juve job straight away. Instead he chose to keep them interested and the media had a field day.

I'd like to say that this could have been harmful to squad morale, but it could also have been the very opposite.
[/quote]

I see where you're coming from but I do think it's been less his fault than his agent's. I didn't see many direct quotes from Rafa himself to this matter.

And what did he do to keep them interested? I think it was more of laying pressure on our board.
[/quote]

He said something along the lines of 'It's always nice to be linked to the top jobs, etc'.

And if you feel he's in a position to 'lay pressure on the board' then you underestimate the fuck up of a club our size finishing 7th in the league.

 

[Holle]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40323.msg1107214#msg1107214 date=1274435689]
[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=40323.msg1107205#msg1107205 date=1274434091]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40323.msg1107201#msg1107201 date=1274433887]
I think if that were the case he would have: a) held his hands up and b) denied all interest in the Juve job straight away. Instead he chose to keep them interested and the media had a field day.

I'd like to say that this could have been harmful to squad morale, but it could also have been the very opposite.
[/quote]

I see where you're coming from but I do think it's been less his fault than his agent's. I didn't see many direct quotes from Rafa himself to this matter.

And what did he do to keep them interested? I think it was more of laying pressure on our board.
[/quote]

He said something along the lines of 'It's always nice to be linked to the top jobs, etc'.

And if you feel he's in a position to 'lay pressure on the board' then you underestimate the fuck up of a club our size finishing 7th in the league.
[/quote]

I don't underestimate the situation by far. I had the impression though (and I guess I'm not alone) that Rafa at least tried to be put pressure on the board. Allegedly he sought assurances regarding transfer kitty, the owner situation and so on before committing himself to us.

 

[RolandG]

I'm not sure why people are questioning Rafa's commitment. He has a contract. His refusal to walk away is due to him not wanting to lose out on a payout as much as to do with his ego. He believes that Liverpool is a long term project.

He knows that he's made mistakes and has another chance to put things right. If he was as adept with his football tactics as he is with his political manouvreing, we would walk the Premiership. Hopefully he is able to turn things around. I want Rafa gone but is there anyone out there who can do a job under difficult circumstances where the only guarantee is more drama at the club.

 

[Judge Jules]

Squiggles has a fair point about Rafa's commitment given his earlier public encouragement of Juve's interest. Rafa's refusal to walk away probably does have a lot to do with the payout situation (among other things), but that doesn't exactly say a lot for his commitment either, so I'm not sure what point you're actually trying to make by drawing attention to it.

 

[RolandG]

I'm drawing attentio to the fact that Rafa has a contract regardless of what the press says. He never said that he wants to leave. Loyalty in football is a novelty and even that wears off by the lure of bigger paydays.

 

[Y1]

And so the manager merry go round starts...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/european_football/article7134005.ece

JOSE MOURINHO is to take on the challenge of returning Real Madrid to the summit of European football, having done the same with Inter Milan last night. He has agreed to become the Spanish giants’ new manager this week in a £40m four-year deal. Mourinho told the Inter president, Massimo Moratti, of his decision to swap Italy for Spain after beating Bayern Munich 2-0 to win the Champions League final at Real’s Bernabeu stadium./quote]

Rafa to Inter?

 

[RolandG]

It wouldn't surprise me if Rafa went to Inter. The question is who is going to replace Rafa if he goes? Not many attractive options around.

 

[manwithnoname]

Rafa to Inter? I can't see either Benitez or the fans going for that

They've just lost the best manager in the world, who has delivered every major trophy in one season

What exactly is Benitez going to be able to do? He won't match that, as he isn't as good as Mourinho, so all he can do is 'slightly worse'

Or 'a lot worse'

It would be suicidal, for both parties

 

[Rosco]

They'll give the job to a manager they rate more highly, like that facist bloke at Catania

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40323.msg1107944#msg1107944 date=1274610896]
Rafa to Inter? I can't see either Benitez or the fans going for that

They've just lost the best manager in the world, who has delivered every major trophy in one season

What exactly is Benitez going to be able to do? He won't match that, as he isn't as good as Mourinho, so all he can do is 'slightly worse'

Or 'a lot worse'

It would be suicidal, for both parties
[/quote]

If Mourinho is the best manager in the world, then surely the same would be true of any manager going there.

 

[manwithnoname]

Not really, how many went there and also delivered a European Cup?

Look, it's pretty obvious now, even more so than it was before; anyone who tries to deny how good Mourinho is, or denigrates his achievements, is only going to make themselves look a cunt

 

[Rosco]

José Mourinho said he will leave Inter after guiding the club to a historic treble, culminating in their first European Cup victory in 45 years.

"My work here is done. I have made history with this club," the former Chelsea manager told Rai Sport after a 2-0 victory over Bayern Munich. "I will find motivations in another big club. Playing against Barcelona in Spain? That would be a big challenge."

Tens of thousands of sleepless Inter fans welcomed back the Nerazzurri on Sunday, but their talismanic coach Mourinho was not among his players. Mourinho is understood to have stayed in Madrid with family and friends.

"I have been very happy at Inter, but not in the world of Italian football because I don't like all the comments from presidents, coaches and papers," he said. "But, I will always like Inter. I want to thank Italian football because I have become a better coach for it. Now it's time for me to take a day or two to think about a new challenge in another country.

"I have given everything for this team and I feel free to make a decision on my future. I want to become the first coach to win the Champions League with three different clubs. It's more probable that I'll go than stay."

"Everybody knows that English football is my passion and I'll go back to England once," he told Sky Sports. "But I think every player, every coach if you don't play for Real Madrid or if you don't coach Real Madrid you have always a little space in your career. So if I decide to come to Real Madrid I'll be a very proud man."

"This makes me feel really sad," Mourinho said. "I've become part of Inter's history and I don't want to talk about anything else. If I talk about it I'll cry and I don't want to do that."

Still, Mourinho again addressed his likely move to the Spanish capital.

"I want another challenge in my career and now it's the moment to decide," he said. "The important thing for Inter is that (club president Massimo) Moratti and (captain Javier) Zanetti stay."

Mourinho was asked on German television channel SAT1. "Was this your last game for Inter?

"Yes," he replied.

"Where are you going, are you going to Real?"

"Yes," he said.

Over 100,000 fans thronged the streets of Milan to party, after gathering in the seething Cathedral square, waving giant flags and setting off flares and fireworks.

Just as dawn broke the plane carrying the team touched down at Milan's airport, with an Inter flag flying from the cockpit window.

Captain Javier Zanetti held up the cup for around 40,000 restless supporters, who gave a huge roar when he led the team into the stadium.

Earlier, in Madrid, Diego Milito finally hit the global headlines with two goals to clinch the European Cup having previously gone about his business almost unnoticed in the wider world.

Nicknamed "the Prince" in Italy, the Argentinian will now be acclaimed as the King after showing his customary calmness with strikes either side of the break to down Bayern 2-0 in Madrid's Bernabéu stadium.

"It's a joy I've never experienced," said Milito. "Incredible. I am so happy for Inter because we wanted this so badly. We are so happy and it's a unique sensation. I have always battled, trying to give my utmost, to learn, even if I am 30. I'm so happy, we deserved it," he added before being coy about whether he will stay at Inter next season. "Let's see," he said.

"Mourinho deserves this the most. He is great coach and he deserves all of the credit for this success," he said. "This is the team that he has made. He made many changes to the team that finished last year and we have come so far."

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40323.msg1107950#msg1107950 date=1274612404]
Not really, how many went there and also delivered a European Cup?

Look, it's pretty obvious now, even more so than it was before; anyone who tries to deny how good Mourinho is, or denigrates his achievements, is only going to make themselves look a cunt
[/quote]

I meant that any manager is going to have a tough time following Mourinho and the season he's just had. So, it's going to be "slightly worse" to "a lot worse" no matter who goes there.

 

[Judge Jules]

My sources tell me (a) Benitez has been mentioned in Italy in connection with Inter, particularly as someone who gives them about the best chance they can hope for of hanging on to Bigears in Mourinho's absence, but (b) so have a whole raft of other managers and there's nothing concrete to latch on to yet.

 

[Le Chacal]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40323.msg1107944#msg1107944 date=1274610896]
Rafa to Inter? I can't see either Benitez or the fans going for that

They've just lost the best manager in the world, who has delivered every major trophy in one season

What exactly is Benitez going to be able to do? He won't match that, as he isn't as good as Mourinho, so all he can do is 'slightly worse'

Or 'a lot worse'

It would be suicidal, for both parties
[/quote]
It wouldnt be suicidal for us though...

 

[Terrier]

This is just depressing.

I was hoping Benitez would leave and we would get King Jose in.

There's absolutely no chance now.

 

[monsieurdantes]

[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40323.msg1108002#msg1108002 date=1274626313]
This is just depressing.

I was hoping Benitez would leave and we would get King Jose in.

There's absolutely no chance now.
[/quote]

you should not have pinned your hopes on a foolish fantasy

 

[willby]

what world is Rafa living in? Mourihno may actually get Real back to winning ways, something Rafa is unlikely to do. Full respect to Mourinho and Inter for winning CL!

 

[the count]

Sorry but is there a vacancy for the position of Real manager yet?
Pellegrini hasn't being sacked yet has he?

Personally, and I am no great fan of Mourinho the person, I find his open coveting of the Madrid managers spot, while there is still another fellow professional in the position, as very disrespectful.

I shouldn't be surprised really and I doubt he will be bothered by my opinions either.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40323.msg1108002#msg1108002 date=1274626313]
This is just depressing.

I was hoping Benitez would leave and we would get King Jose in.

There's absolutely no chance now.
[/quote]

I know. It was so close to happening before that too.

 

[DHSC]

Mourinho doesn't seem to be the kind of manager who will be interested in a long term project (which we are, kind of). IF we do appoint him, it seems like he will leave after 1 or 2 seasons. Given his undeniable talent, he could win us the league with the players we have. However, he would probably leave after that and leave us with not much of a foundation for future successes.